political aisle for staying off of the campaign trail and away from the borders remaining in the "basement." >> a lot of democrats think joe biden might do well to stay in that basement. >> he can stay in the basement and just talk to us, but he has to step up. >> we've got to get vice president out of the basement. >> this basement situation has done is allowed joe biden to show a steady voice without any distractions. >> one good thing covid-19 did come i think is keep joe biden inside appeared a campaign is a marathon, you know that. i don't think he was out for a marathon. i think he would have worn down already in the campaign by this time if he had to be out there every day plus let's be honest he's a bit of a gap machine. >> harris: wow, campaign marathon imagining governing for four years, that is. "outnumbered," my cohost emily compagno i'm fox nation, tomi lahren, fox news contributor leslie marshall and joining us today former white house press secretary from george w. bush fox news contributor ari fleischer, i start with you, the drumbeat of hiding biden is coming back to the presidency. >> ari: i've been through a few presidential news conferences and they are not fun but they are important. the president is taking questions on a regular basis, whether a formality of a news conference or the two or three days taking regular questions from the press corps but not questions as you walk away but questions where you stand there and take four, five, six questions and take about 20 minutes a day. this is all what presidents do for a living. now, i've got to say this about joe biden. when i watched him on cnn with anderson cooper, he is able to stand on his two feet and do qa, q&a, so what is it that the staff sees about joe biden that they are hiding him so much. they are hurting joe biden by not letting him out and showing people that he's okay and he can do this. >> harris: you know the one thing i would say about this though, ari, anderson cooper, cnn from a different environment. they may have mixed it up a little bit with town hall questions there, but that is not the white house press corps appear that it is not peter doocy asking jen psaki yesterday, how can you proud kids in border facilities and not let on mast kids go to school in america and figure all that out so we can get our kids? how can you have that and she kind of chuckled and sounded like a nervous laugh, i don't know i'm not in her head. but there is a bit of a difference in terms of doing anderson cooper cnn town hall type of situation facing the white house press corps. so leslie, we are not doctors. it said this over and over and people want to get into a cutie discussion and all of that. this comes down to a man can he handle it? if you put him in front of a group of reporters that don't have an agenda, they just want to write down the answers and pepper him because we haven't seen him in 50 days, can he do it? >> leslie: yes, and he is doing it. he did it with people cbs. >> harris: when did he do it? i missed it. >> don't mix before he does need a structured press conference. i believe with ari he can handle himself but he is focused on this pandemic. >> harris: you cannot have an election out there and not answer questions as the president. >> leslie: he needs to do that. he has answered some questions including peter doocy. peter doocy said did you speak with vladimir putin and he said yes, but what? you. everybody got a good chuckle out of that. >> ari: i have to jump in on this because this is not true. he is walking off the stage and shouting out. that is not standing there taking questions. >> leslie: no, but he is answering questions to the press, maybe not in that setting, which i said he should be. but ari look at the ratings, approval rating is not only him right now but also his handling of the pandemic and the legislation that he is putting forth. the american people are happy. maybe they want a change what we have the past four years which was a president who constantly was having press conferences and rallies. >> harris: so we went from 1,020. >> leslie: we will remain there. i said he should do it. i don't think they are hiding. >> harris: tomi lahren what would you like to ask the president? let's have our own press corps. >> tomi: there are so many questions i would like to ask about the border and top of mine and what is happening, we are on track to have 1 million illegal immigrants fled the country so that is the first question i would ask. leslie, just like ari you are being disingenuous. you know this is ridiculous but i will disagree with you guys come i don't think he is lucid. i think his party knows he is not. they are afraid of what he will say. >> harris: i think we had a little technical difficulty with tomi lahren's shop freezing. emily come i will pick up with you. >> emily: sure i think my biggest concern here is how a gentleman who has been in service to this country over 47 years has now been either self reduced or reduced by his handlers or the party to someone that just gets to lop off those quick and walking up the stage things. this is a gentleman in his farewell address to the senate assuming vice president he spoke 4 minutes. this is no stranger and he's not afraid for speaking for a while so i would love to see that again. the more information, the better. the question that keeps resignation with me is his staff does not have faith in him to answer questions or to respond on his own two feet, then why should the american people? and i'm not at all going to foray into his mental acuity. i want to see my president speak. >> harris: we are not doctors come again. jason said last hour, he is looking at the evidence they are. he's been with him, in a room with him and he remembers a time as a former vice president talked 90 minutes on a topic and he couldn't stop him and he sees a difference. and you don't have to be a doctor. that is always my challenge. i don't think you can necessarily look at someone and diagnose them if you don't have a medical agree and b haven't seen him overtime. but some people have come up both of those things. and they are speaking. specie ari as we look at tomorrow night, what needs to be said? we are not anticipating any questions. it is a teleprompter read from the president, excuse me, tonight from the president of the united states on the pandemic. >> ari: well, this will be a strong moment for joe biden because he will be able to reflect how bad things were and increasingly looking like they are going to be. and that is happenstance for president biden. just happened to happen now. i think a lot of the credit still goes to the previous administration and all the work they did to get a vaccine in record time. the plans for the distribution were already in the work and now president biden and his team have been able to accelerate those plans. good for them, good for the country and good for the science. we will be able to take advantage of that moment and it will be well received speech. these type of speeches can't go wrong. it is a turning point moment in america and we have been looking forward to the day to put covid in our rearview mirror. it is increasingly looking like it is happening. so this is an easy one that bow is on the tea and a trip with not certainly a home run. >> harris: one of those scores from the mount might be to acknowledge what you did the former president trump because december 21st-2020 shot in the arm soon to be president-elect joe biden got, that vaccine happen because of operation warp speed under the last president. in fact vaccinations might be the most bipartisan thing that we do right now, right? 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>> i don't think that is what i said. i think that is a reflection how migrants feel that a particular time. i think what we are doing we are making sure to respond to that hope for people who need protection. >> emily: ari i would like to start with you on this and get your reaction not only to that acknowledgment but also to the sort of reductive quality of that answer, which is ignoring all the push factors in reducing error pull factors to hope. your thoughts. >> ari: will come i think there is something more basic and moral at stake. that is the democratic party and its leaders particularly joe biden have lost the ability to make a moral distinction between people coming to america illegally and legally. they are putting them all together as one, saying this is about inhumane. they have lost the ability to say there's a right way and a wrong way and america and we look for people to come to america the right way. they make us a better country. come here illegally. have a better life. you will help us and we will help you. but if you come here illegally, this is not about being humane. i can't think of anything more inhumane, immoral, to the people who do come here illegally and to watch somebody make away across the rio grande, and get benefits and treatment that people have to wait in line for. they say, i should start illegally. that is not only inhumane but it is wrong. it is in joe's to the people including my mother. i am a first-generation american who here illegally. and it's from a moral point of view. this administration has everything backwards. >> harris: tomi, your thoughts. >> tomi: again, a lot of the folks coming over are not coming over with a legitimate asylum claims but they want jobs and opportunities. where we have to incentivize with those people to have jobs and opportunities, look around. we are in the middle of a pandemic and americans need those jobs and opportunities. but i will tell you this, when we are talking about the border and these people coming over here, you don't get across that border without pegging cartel, coyote or criminal organization. when those are paying six to $12,000 up to $20,000 to the criminal organization and cartels, what you are doing is directly funding those organizations that destroyed those home countries that people are then fleeing from. so with a cycle that we are not helpful in, if we want to make changes, don't come over here. we will help you fix your country. we will work on the balance in your country and the best way possible with as little interference as we can muster. but to say to people, come over here to get a free pass to make free tickets, a notice to disappear and you can live in the shadows and work for cheap, that is not the american peer that is not the way the biden administration should be handling this, but it's what we have come to expect from the democratic party at this point. >> that cycle you speak about has lasted decades and this continued approach to think it can be fixed in one administration's time on only our sort of myopic level come only with using our legislation without any collaboration at all. leslie, i would like to get your thoughts on something, we had ken cuccinelli made up statement and then i would like to get your thoughts on what he discussed and the focus saying that president biden bears the blame for the surge at the southern border. take a listen. >> part of the reason they are trying so desperately to play this down and avoid using the word crisis is that joe biden is personally responsible for this. we are now seeing the biden affect what an invitation to a whole bunch of illegals will do is flood the border. that is exactly what is happening. and it will continue to get worse. this is early in the season. >> emily: leslie, your thoughts. >> leslie: a couple of things, one commit is a crisis but semantics aside, the red brick is a different tone contributing to this? yes. other things are contributing and we need to look at history. 2014 and 2019 when donald trump was the president of the united states, a republican was a very different message regarding the border and immigration. we saw numbers like this. we have the words crisis used at that time's as well. so that is one of the issues. the other issue, we are in a pandemic and these nations are suffering that they are fleeing from. more violence and less economic opportunity, which plays into that. so does the red brick play into that or change the regime? yes, but it can't be placed on joe biden or democrats because we have seen these types of numbers during the trump administration and quite frankly to your point, emily, this is something that can be fixed in the presidential administration. it can take months, perhaps years to fix the immigration system regardless of which party is in power. >> harris: that is a little off-base and i want to say when you look at the numbers over the years, you have seen the spikes across different presidencies. and ken cuccinelli last hour told me in 2019, they made some decisive moves, not the least of which was a relationship. he described it as tough negotiations between our president and president of mexico to make sure asylum-seekers stayed on that side of the border. he kind of wanted to stem the tide to give us a chance to process through all of that. we did not approach the number we are seeing now. they are looking at massive sites to put these kids, come on, leslie. no -- they bent on some of those policies. my question is, if it didn't have trump by it, but they have waited a bit, where they have waited with this administration to see what works and what doesn't? or was there a light switch flipped. the trump idea and moving left that we have to change things. to think that is a fair question because what is happening now is so far from working that we need a new word for not working. >> emily: tomi did you want to say something real quick? >> tomi: leslie come i would like to jump in because i've actually been to the border in 2019 when we saw the caravans ad huge search of a unaccompanied minors and family units. i saw that in arizona. i was able to go to taxes during the last part of the trump administration and see the difference. and it was night and day difference because mexico was working with the united states. the policy of zero tolerance heard loud and clear around the world. those policies worked. yes, there will be problems in immigration but what trump was doing was building a wall with border enforcement and the tough frederick and his message do not come here illegally. it worked because i saw it with my own two eyes. have been there and i have seen it. it works. >> emily: leslie, real quick. i want to give you an opportunity to respond. >> leslie: we've seen hhs and the way they handled the numbers. the numbers 13,000 beds for children and now we have 8,000 going back to the original numbers. we see covid cases coming down one or two. i don't think it was trump next to the policy. it's one of the promises the promises biden campaigned on and the individuals who voted for him and made that a priority, which is why he and his administration are moving as they said they would. >> harris: and that is fine, but when you see after a few days or weeks it is not working, do you go back and look at that executive order or action that you signed and then make a