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perino along with katie patch live, jesse watters and greg gutfeld. this is "the five." >> a shocking warning from the. fbi as israel takes out a top hamas terrorist, the isreali army confirmed it has killed onm of the key planners behind the october 7th terror attacks and get this, yeah, he was hiding in a refugee camp, let's go live to mike tobin, mike, what went down? >> it's been a deadly day with intense fighting at the northern end of the gaza strip. two o isreali soldiers were killed, two injured, devastating images that is where the refugee camp is located. isreali strike went in there. the crater is plain to see, the casualty figures are all over the map, the palestinian rests at 25 people killed. th25e crater that you se on the ground was caused because hamas had dug tunnels underneatn eathe refugee camp, the tunnel collapsed, they did get the guyo they were after, the commander of the hamas operation in, someone who was the planner and part of the massacre. starr the destruction, they put the blamee back on hamas for digging the tunnels infrastructure within the civilian population andon fighting, one of the things you notice from th e video, despite the warnings a lot of people it not evacuate south, dana. >> thank you so much, isreali ground forces push deeper into hamas controlled territory in gaza, left wing groups are ramping up pressure for a ceaseh firee . protesters disrupting a hearing with anthony blinken, some in the media pause in the fighting would cause a lot of problems. >> tamping down the mccarthyism undocking and anti-semitic and dow anti-palestinian races in ourn owinn country and in europe, and somebody, anybody, actually working to solve the real problem. which is a 56 year occupation of the west bank in gaza strip that has sparked and will continue to spark vehement and even eye venond t resistance where hamas exists or not. >>ists christopher wray is warno of terrorism right here at home. >> we assess that the actions of hamas and its allies will serve as an inspiration the likes of which we haven't seen since isis launched its caliphate several years ago. in just the past fewt weeks, t multiple foreign terrorist organizations called for attacks against americansfo anr d the west. >> jesse, how expendable are the palestinian people to hamas if they have the head guy that planned the attacks hiding within the refugee camps? >> well that was a significant strike. and israel deserves a lot of credit for thegn intelligence that was used to take that guy out. and now we're hearing from our fbi directordi that hamasre could be as influential as isis. i am not sure that's true yet. i remembe' isis back in the obama hey day, they had these jihad influencerl that would tapes out and inspire attacks in europe, inspiresp attacks in the uniteird states, they wanted to grow a caliphate, they were successful in establishing a caliphate. it looks like this is a regional situation. i am a little concerned about msnbc. joy reid's boss rashida jones hasap givepan the 7:00 fully way toy stake ouwat a fringe and extreme position on israel. and it'sxtre causing major brand issues forcs that company. you have to be very talented to thread theo beneedle and say i am for the palestiniae n people, but i am t for hamas and i understand that israel has a right to self-defense. i don't know ift she'tos articulated that positin effectively because i watch.m laur.,a ingraham at 7:00. now io see a risk with iran. because the cyber attacks are the only way they are going to be able t counter attack the u.s. military, they. don't understad a chance against military aerially, when isrealis teamed z up with the united states and u launched thanit cyber weapon against their nuclear facility against their nuclear facility and took out centrifuges like that. a dating website in israel and put everybody's personal information online, that was a concern, so israel hit back andn hacked all olif these iranian ga stations so no one in iran could fill up their gas tanks. now they arefi saying they could coe here, almost as sophisticated ai russians and chinese, that is something i am concerned about,th if youin do see anything out there, suspicious from any of my social media profiles, it was an iranian hack. >> i am not sure hamas need jihadists because you have westerners who are posting hamas propaganda for them. >> yeah. >> making it seem like it's main stream. >> yeah, iconic paraglider. nowd who is showing up everywhere. and becoming some symbol of libration instead of symbol of terrora which is exactly what t was. it is easily disturbing, we do know it is largely isolated to 25 years old and younger and the people who teach them on campuses which is a strange dichotomy. amiss all of these other people and it went faculty and students who spend their days on tiktok and there has been interesting investigations into what these feeds look liken like someone looked at what high schoolers in san francisco were being fed, they said there isd your clearsa line. there is youh smokineyg gun in jesse's favorie kind of terminology, why these kids don't know the differenceld bbetween a terror organization and people who should be free.vs implications floating around on social media, what happens when china wants to advocate for one of their positions, what will be fed to our youth then. in terms of the strike whi think the idfi kespokesperson did a good job holding firm to this and maintaining what is the truth t o that isrealis warned people o and over again, if they are going to strike a particular target it is their choice tol stayst there, not that we think they can hop ttoo egypt, but tht they can get out of the you are under ring areas right there. hamas uses people as human shields. they also are rejecting israel and the u.s.' aid. so, we've offered is it 00 trucksre that can come in a daily basis,i hamas wants their people to starve t40o death. they want tho people to be d suffering so they can use it as propaganda against israel and the rest of the western world backing them, it's disgusting. one thing on corey bush, started out as a discussion, she ha has a pro israel far left liberals i thine it's important to show people that the democratic party is not all that. it's the party also of joe biden, chuck schumer, hakeem jeffries, west more, et cetera. >> secretary mayorkas was on the hill along with christopher wray, is i t possible you have hezbollah, he had to say, yes, it's possible. >> and early on in the war, whe> hamas called for their day of rage, there was a french teacher who was stabbed to death who died as b a result. they called for this. hezbollah before 9/11 was a terrorist organization, iranian backed that killed more americans than anyte other terrorist organizations. they are very well funded, in south america, president obama during his administration had an opportunity to actually take out some of the fellows they had down there t didn't want to j eojeopardize the nuclear agreems he was working on, those factions are still operating in that hemisphere. when it comess to what happened today iton the refugee camp, the ground collapsed like that because there are tunnels. ham has has turned the ground into swiss cheese, therefore people suffer as a result when these targeteds strikes are taken. the calls for a cease fire are a usual leftis idea, were want to help civilian we want the violence to stop, o course that sounds great. the cease fires leading up to this since 2007 are why everybody is in this position, they allowed this to fester, hamas broke those cease fires every single e time including on october 7th. there is a cease fire on octobet once again. so, a cease fireth sounds greatey, there is no appetite for it in israel, people do not want a cease firet they want this to be over. they artoe frustrated with their'r government te o allow this to fester for years and years.nd people who are comfortable in the west aren' t flying where it really matters. >> i have decided cease fire irp am going to stay no hamas surrender, so flip it, like it's hamas surrender tonight, it would be over. >> can, th i -- just take a loot this joy reid quote, 56 yearll occupation wil l continue to spark vehement and yet even violeno spt resistance whether o exists or not. so, that atrocity that happened, that was just violent resistance. it was resistance. when they raped and murdered, that was a resistance. and it would happen whether hamas existed or not. so, if she dismisses an atrocity andd dismisses a response to it, as part of her greater context ofs than occupation, right? it's te lineage stapling that you see everywhere. it's -- shaming that you see everywhere. it's repulsive, she excused -- she excused the murder of innocentno peoplece. the rape and murder of innocent people. it's -- imagine you are on a subway and a deranged man is attacking your spouse and right when you try td defend her m or him, a group of young activists intercedes on behalf of the attacker because your wife or your husbandur wdoesn't fit the i can't agreed marginalized profile. well that's hamas and hamas supporters in israel. it's all part of a greater oppression filter. so, it's okay. what's interesting, too, is the flip. remember how the left used to sa iy al-qaida and isis were no all muslims. even though every isis fighter is muslim the equation cannot be reversed. weu geatt it, not all muslims areno isis, that'st obvious right? they conflate hamas with all brown people in the middle east so, attacking hamas is attacking palestinians, hence the new phrase, collective punish: if you go after hamas you are going after all palestinians. and when you are in a grip of hysteria,is no amount of proof can break itg rowe're seeing this, it's a c phantom illness, no amount of tests, no amount of doctors can convince you there aren't parasites under your skin. so,a you keep havinsig to show these denial ists, here is video of dead naked bodies and burned up children, they say, well, that could be from somewhere else, right? that's obviously doctor. they need to preserve that delusion to permit futureci atrocitiesti and ego being shattered for being so wrong. comes from this contemporary wokism that so many people,ma right, they've i can't braced this lineage shaming and that ih making hatred so acceptable these days. like you're seeing people ripping down posters of kidnapped kids, you wonder ifd those people would have doneul that 15 years ago, 20 years ago if there was a machine they d actually look and see what they were doing, how would they feel? they have to asku hathemselves, they have to ask, how did i get to a point wheresv i'm standing in front of a poi telephone pole and i'm tearing down a picture of a kidnapped a child. what have k i become? wv is joy reie d become? they shod ask these questions. d questions. >>s. thanks. >> up next, former president trump calling for the return of mental 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( ♪ ) ♪ >> america's homelessness crisi> continues to be an utter catastrophe. open aired druged wastelands and the situation only seems to get worse. theon time for change has never beengt more urgent and former president donald trump has a simple solution. when i'm back in the white house, we will use every tool, lever and authority to get the homeless off our streets. and for those who are severely mentally ill and deeply disturbed we will bring them ill back to mental institutions w where they belong. with the goal of reintegrating them back into society once they are well the enough to manage. gh t>> trump's plan to bring bak mental institutions might not bt that radical. boston is combating homelessness, addiction and mental health. greg, are they stealing the island idea? >>nd yes, yes, but the sad thing is if they do this how will msnbc survive, they are going t lose all their anchors and almost all their viewers. wean live in an era the best thing you can do for the mental ill is seen as a violation of their rights. what you are talking about is trying to treat people who can't fend for themselves. but for some reason that has for been turned into an i can't agreed group that deservesinto protection from something that will save their life. actually, it's a version of human compassion in order to protect them let them suffer and die because you need to preserveeed them as a marginalized group.r institutionalization makes sense, it exists, it was there before. the opposite of institutionalization is leaving them in cities full of things no mental ill person can candle, even for a sane person is nuts. the stressful conditions, you know, the loud noises, the crowds, these are things that are torture worthy of a black op site for somebody who is for homeless and mentally ill. that's why sanitariums were inhc the rural countryside. removeal th ce vulnerable for the thingsh that torture them. that's ath violation of their rights, younf can't take them out and do that, therefore the left has nofo r solution, you have to let the mental ill person make theally decision for themselves, this he can't do that, they are left festering and dying on thein streets. now that trump speaks the truth, the left is going to have to galvanize against itlvan like they did with the wall, no matter if it's right, if itit comes from trump i'st has to be, iwrong because you can't side with him even though you are seeing yourself the destructiong h of humanity before your ice. n lot of liberals walk by these people, they walk by them everyy day,or and they know these peopy need help. but they can't -- they would much rather betrum against trump than stretch out their hand and get that person t into a hospital. >>l. and why don't we take all e money we are spending on spe migrants, dana, and build beautiful mental institutions for our people?ple? >> i love that president trump is talking about it. hisside campaign videos are prettybout interesting, you can go back an look at the ideas he has on policies, people think he hashi grievances about the past,nk he has those, yes, he has been doing a lot of policy videos. >> we have grievances about the homeless problem. >> i am tired of walking by them and thank goodness -- this is weird thing to say, but with the drug of choice today, these people are sedated on the sidewalk. imagine if they werehe violent. >> well the crack head -- >> you couldn't walk by them ant this idea would be something like kamala harris would come up and people would think it's great. president biden is late to this. one thing i would loveo tove do, if i'm out and about, give a chance people, what is the biggest problem in your community that you are trying t solve. i have been shocked, in the smallest towns in america i colorado homelessness is amele problem. this is not just a liberal city problem. this ist juhappening all across america, and some have to get a handle on it. a huge problem president trump would have, all the legal issues, et cetera. there is not enough skilled staff. and there is not enough people wanting to go into that field. not enoughtg money to pay them. to pay them a salary in which you want to do this kind of work, it's very very difficult. it would be the compassionate thing to do if web can get past all of that, we have to have some solutions, this is a never ending circling of the drain here. ions>> right, because it's easie give them prescription drugs that zone them out than tocrip actually care for them and helpa themll 24/. now that you know trump's foreign in sane asylums are you against it. this idea is something that is popular in a lot of liberal i policy circles, not necessarily insane asylums, human large scale psychiatric facilitiesatri were shut down in the mid 1900s because of inhumane treatment, people were put ine padded rooms and things like who bot mes and not being cured of what you have. you can't find a solution where you have goodere staff and doctors that are goinr to help people and not just keep them in a proverbial cage. therr are a lot of people who are for that. there is a difference between creating a communityffer which is what the boston plan ih putting you mental facilities i think you could find common ground between trump's plan, he also had going into covid, this is from his administration, but then we were overtake in by the virus and they didn't get totake move forward with it, but if you have it as a place where people can go and they can become employed, they can have affordable housing and they canv have a chance e to get mental health treatment that they need ntali think you could make prog, a big step towards that. there are caps on how much medicaid funding these facilities can get. it's been a big push from the left to get those capso ge raised or eliminated altogetherd so you can increase the size ad number of people you can treat. >> are you saying involuntary. i'm pro involuntary. >> i get that. >> you don't have to say yes. >> i know that. on this show i don't feel much pressure to say what the rest of you are saying. >> t you should -- >> well, i don't which is how i keep my job. like jordan meal ij a perfect example, everyone would agree that was a goode candidatthe for involuntary commitment. the point is there has to be a multitude of the options. there are some people who are dangerous and violent, other people who you could talkp to who would go voluntarily. >> but they never do. >> i don't know if they have the option. >> i understand this is a new federal program which is und different than the cities, right? i actually don't trust for this to be carried out that respected people's civil rights given what we've seen with the o department of justice how theya define what is a mental illness and that kind of thing. they do red flag laws, a lot of thingsan there. the homelessness problem. and why it's gotten worse andwh not better wity h the influx ofx medicaid money and from statesen of california to the tunes of billions and bill be i don'ts o dollar is government corruption, they have an incentive in charge to keep people homeless because they get paid. we have a friend. that works in a dc homeless shelter as an employee he washo making less monemey than peoplel were getting boyy living on the street because of all theiv benefits they werein receiving.e have made it easy in this country to live on the streets. if you want to make it so people make decisions about getting off the streets, getting clean, yout have to put them iren jail, c consequences forle actions and have you to take away their ability to be incentivized toth benefits and take away all incentives and structures that governments local and federal to make this problem continue rather than go away. solving this problem doesn't help anybody who is benefiting fromhe it. >> all right. goodlp a conversan everybody. really thoughtful. i am really happy -->> g>> i love the idea in concepti don't trust it in practice. >> alle id right. i will strikea nice balance. my administration will handle it. coming up, mankind i