hi, everyone, it is 4:00 in new york, i'm alicia menendez, in for nicolle wallace. it is a tried and true tactic of the donald trump playbook, turn anything into political score settling. today, lawyers for the ex-president filed a motion for a mistrial in the civil fraud case against him in new york that threatens to bring down the trump organization and tarnish his brand as a business mogul. in the motion, trump's team accused the judge and his staff of bias. the motion is filled to the brim with dramatic language, saying quote, only the grant of a mistrial can salvage what is left of the rule of law. trump's lawyers also took aim at the judge's law clerk, included photos of the clerk, as well as her campaign donation history in their public filing. that is even after the judge placed a limited gag order on donald trump that barred him from commenting on court staff. trump's lawyers were then prohibited from discussing the judge's communications with his staff. the length of the trial so far has been punctuated by skirmishes over trump's rhetoric. his targeting of the clerk led to fines a threat of imprisonment. the filing today is bringing questions whether trump and his team violated the gag order. we start with former assistant u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, glenn kirschness, legal analyst, lisa rubin, and former top state department during the obama administration, rick stengel. talk us through the filing. why did trump's team go after the judge and his staff? >> you know, for a couple of reasons. i mean, one, they need to make motions that they believe have some merit, even if it's a fore gone conclusion. that judge engoron is not going to grant a motion concluding that he is hopelessly biassed, which is really what he would have to conclude if he were to grant this mistrial motion, but often defense attorneys will make motions, any attorneys will make motions to simply preserve the issue for appellate review because if you don't make the motion in the trial court, you have waived your opportunity to raise it in the appellate court. but here's the other thing, mistrial motions may sound dramatic, but they're actually pretty usual. i had dozens of them lodged in cases i was trying as a prosecutor. i'll give you a very quick example of the run of the mill mistrial motion. if i had a witness on the stand who was testifying and blurted out something in nonresponsive fashion that was prejudicial to the defendant and his right to a fair trial, perhaps blurting out something about another crime the defendant allegedly committed that was not charged in the case, you would have the defense attorney properly say, we object, your honor, and we move for a mistrial. those mistrials are almost always denied but they have then preserved their right to raise it on appeal. the other thing is it feels like donald trump is perhaps directing his lawyers to be as inflammatory as possible, seeing that this is yet another opportunity to get some disinformation, maybe even propaganda in the public square. and some of these court filings begin to sound like donald trump, 2:00 a.m., social media posts. >> 2:00 a.m., social media posts, you and i keep coming back to this, the idea is this a legal argument or political argument. i want to hear your take on what glenn just shared. is there a basis here for a mistrial? >> i don't think there is. to glenn's point, mistrial motions are frequent. they're common. they're very unusually on the other hand, vehicles for the type of propaganda he was talking about, and here, the basis for the mistrial motion is this claim of bias that according to the trump lawyers runs rampant through this trial. the only problem with that is just because you're losing on motion after motion or objection after objection doesn't mean the judge is biassed, and to the extent that there's some sort of partisan political issue with the judge or his principle law clerk having made campaign contributions, and there are reasons to believe there might not be, they fit into exceptions of the ethics rules, my understanding is that the solution to that is not a mistrial at all. it's not even to overturn motion on appeal, it's judicial discipline. >> to glenn's point, you had a question for lisa rubin, that is on the mind of rick, on the mind of a lot of our viewers. >> what they don't understand is the judge is biassed, biassed against criminality, buy against fraud, and biassed against hyperbole in court. trump thinks judges shouldn't be biassed against lawlessness. which he exemplifies. i was looking at pictures in the court today, and the clerk does sit next to the judge, which i hadn't ever seen before, is it common or uncommon? >> i haven't seen that before either. their interactions, when i'm in the courtroom, the way the courtroom is structured, the press sits at some distance. there's a bunch of reserved seats for the parties, friends of the judge, we're at considerable distance. i don't see the kind of eye rolling, constant communication and whispering that they talk about in their motions, at least with the frequency with which they say it happens. that having been said, is it unusual for someone to sit as close to a judge as this law clerk does? yes, does that mean something is awry or untoward, not necessarily. as judge engoron has said repeatedly, as the judge, he's entitled to consult with his staff as he sees fit, and i don't think that chris kise and his team have yet shown that. >> let's talk about the filing. trump's lawyers write that the judge's clerk is, quote, judging, saying the law clerk is given unprecedented and inappropriate latitude. do you think they're going to be willing to let this go, glenn? >> they're going to play this for all its worth, if only with donald trump's base in an attempt to grift more money from them. here's the thing. a judge has wide latitude in conducting the proceedings as he or she see fit. i've seen lots of judges use their law clerks actively during the course of the trial because, let's face it, the law clerks are generally the ones doing the research, handling up topics or even suggested questions to the judge, writing draft opinions. i mean, the law clerks are kind of the behind the scenes unsung heroes, and so he may have a somewhat unusual practice of having his law clerk right there available to him to consult in realtime. nothing improper about it. and it doesn't surprise me that lisa said, you know, based on her observations, it's not quite entirely accurate what they are putting in the mistrial motion regarding what's going on in court. >> you pointed out on twitter, where i follow you like a hawk, judge engoron cautioned about this motion. they said they would file this motion in a quote, delicate matter. i don't know what that means? >> well, i think last week, they had a number of conversations with judge engoron about some of these issues. chris kise first floated the idea that there was some improper campaign contributions on november 3rd. by november 6th, they were seeking guidance from him about filing a mistrial motion, and indicating to him that the mistrial motion would have to do with the law clerk, and they weren't sure how to frame it, without violating the terms of the gag order. at first, he said to them, don't file it, and that quote appears in their motion, but ultimately what he said to them was file it or rather submit it through what's called an order to show cause. typically an order to show cause is submitted to a judge in their private office called a chambers. the judge gets to review it and then determine what gets filed. that was my expectation of what would happen here so you weren't erring in the public domain, all of these allegations with her name, picture, campaign contribution history that happened nonetheless. when he said we will handle it in a delicate manner, it would be akin to a ceiling or redaction, and the incendiary allegations would be seen by the judge and attorney general, and not the general public as now happened. >> let's stay on that point. there's no question why they included her photo, why that felt necessary to a person who has already violated his gag order whose team has stood behind him as he has done so. there's the legal argument, the political argument, and then there's this additional piece that comes from team trump, which is an unmitigated effort to intimidate. >> and the long history of misogyny that donald trump and his teams have. i think he throws that in. he's, you know, the roy cohn school of defense. doing unseemly, look over here, over there, it's part of the tactics he has always done. he's been a defendant for 35 years. >> the misogyny is happening in the courtroom. the misogyny is also a whistle to his base. >> yesterday it was like prime toxic masculinity for the republican party, at least in terms of congress, but then there's this toxic masculinity happening in the trump proceeding, both outside the courtroom and inside the courtroom, too, and i will tell you, just as an observer, the way that they talk about and treat new york attorney general tish james, the way they treat a female attorney on her team in the courtroom, and finally, the way that they speak about the judge's principle law clerk, there is more than a whiff of misogyny there, and when brought to chris kise's attention, his response was i'm happily married and i have a daughter. you and i both know that's not an adequate defense in charges of misogyny. an insult to anyone who considers them a champion of women. >> i heard glenn kirschners response to that. judge engoron is likely to rule on the motion. explain to me what happens if trump's team appeals? >> if they appeal, it will come at the end of the trial, and as i say, there's not a chance judge engoron will conclude that he is hopelessly biassed and unfairly prejudiced against donald trump. he will reject the motion, and i have to echo lisa's point when somebody uses as a defense that they're married and they have daughters and therefore they can't be a misogynist, i would suspect many misogynists are married with daughters, and it's laughable. it's offensive. but it's not surprising. >> glenn, at what point does judge engoron up the ante. it doesn't appear the fines are stopping trump from targeting the court staff. what more can he do? >> he can up the fines, but as you say, that probably will not deter donald trump. it feels like he believes he's found a winning formula. he pushes boundaries and pushes boundaries. he has his lawyers, you know, file the kind of court pleadings that i never saw as a prosecutor. they're embarrassing. they're unprofessional, and they are often just sort of unhinged attacks on judges, on the opponent, the prosecutors, or letitia james attorneys, on witnesses or others. i don't think donald trump will be deterred unless and until he is perhaps facing the prospect of a jail cell pretrial, i think that's most likely to come not in this civil fraud case, but in one of his criminal prosecutions, if he continues to push these boundaries in danger, witnesses, court staff and prosecutors, and poison future jury pools, then judges may feel like they have nowhere left to go but to revoke him on release and detain him pending trial. >> among the preludes to this motion for mistrial where the ethics complaint filed by elise stefanik, which you have done great analysis on, and i have to admit, i sort of thought he was going to let elise stefanik carry his water on this one. the fact that they turned it into a one-two punch seems tell . >> it does. i don't know if it's a one-two punch. elise stefanik is behind a recent complaint to the justice department asking them to investigate on perjury grounds, the person who was supposed to be the star witness, michael cohen, who i will submit to you was a better witness than many think, and yet not nearly as central as anyone is saying. but, you know, this is part of their strategy. let's discredit the judge, the principle law clerk, a witness and threaten him with criminal prosecution, and then when it doesn't happen, we'll point the finger at attorney general garland, damien williams of the southern district and say they are in biden's corner trying to weaponize election interference claims for their own benefit. >> glenn, in your experience, what impact could this have on future witnesses? >> you know, i think everything donald trump says and posts is designed to do a couple of things, one, undermine confidence in the process. i believe that donald trump knows he has no defense on the facts or the law in any of these case, so what he needs to do is prepare for the eventual conviction in the criminal cases by undermining the public's confidence in the process. that's why he attacks process and the people who populate it. so when he is convicted and i believe he will be convicted based on the evidence we've seen even just publicly reported, i think he will be able to say, you see, i told you it was not going to be fair. i told you it was a witch hunt. i told you it was election interference. he is calculating each post and statement to do is to send a message to the witnesses that you better not cross me. i think he posted you come for me, i'm coming for you. just think about when he posted mike pence didn't have the courage to do what he should have done. he didn't have to say get him, the message was received. and the chants of hang mike pence broke out. he's trying to replicate that with all of the other witnesses who are in one way or another endeavoring to hold him accountable for his crimes. >> lisa, talk to me about the interplay of this motion and jack smith's case? >> well, it's interesting because yesterday, jack smith's team had a brief due in the d.c. circuit where they are trying to oppose donald trump's efforts to stay the gag order in judge chutkan's case. i was really curious to know whether they were going to attach that motion yesterday, a truth social post that trump made yesterday morning where he quote unquote, retruthed some random person's post saying that letitia james and judge engoron should be subject to a citizens arrest. and they didn't do that. they do make the d.c. court aware of the threats trump has made to alvin bragg, to trish james, and not by name but also by judge engoron who has had hundreds of phone calls to his chambers and to the court with vicious threats associated with them. so they are very well aware that not only is trump threatening the witnesses in their case, but he's making threats to people in the larger public domain as they pertain to other cases, and that that should all be pertinent to the d.c. circuit as they consider the gag order in the federal case. >> indeed. were you about to go to a break? that citizens arrest thing was so alarming. what that is is a dog whistle for people to take action in their hands. the fact that he's doing that and has all of these folks listening to it, they will take the law in their own hands. >> now i'm going to break. thank you for your expertise. everyone else sticking around. the judge in the election interference case issuing an emergency motion this afternoon responding to the leak of witness videos. we'll tell you what that is, what his ruling means for the other codefendants in this sprawling criminal case. a hearing on capitol hill today warning of threats coming from around the world turned into a forum for republicans to attack the homeland security secretary, and pushed debunked conspiracy theories. later in the show, president joe biden calling on the ex-president's rhetorics, saying it echoes words used in nazi germany. how trump and the gop are showing no signs of dialing any of that back. all of those stories and more when "deadline white house" continues after this. do not go anywhere. ntinues aftes do not go anywhere who can i talk to? 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>> when making decisions about cases to bring, i don't consider an election cycle or an election season, does not go in the calculus. what goes in the calculus is this is the law, these are the facts and if the facts show you violated the law, then charges are brought. >> joining our conversation, "atlanta journal-constitution" political reporter, greg bluestein, lisa and rick are back with us. greg, is the fulton county d.a. getting what she wants? >> i mean, i think she's setting the time line up. it's such a controversial and long-running case that she's setting up the possibility this could go well into 2025. again, this is the reason legal experts have said that the fulton county case might pose the biggest legal threat to donald trump of all of them because if he's elected and convicted in federal trials, he'll try to potentially harden himself or order the justice department to back off. he has no such power over fani willis as you can hear. this is state law. she's a fulton county prosecutor. it's fulton county voters who have the say on her decisions. >> what was the reaction of the leak inside the d.a.'s office? >> in the same interview with the "washington post," fani willis said herself, she said, it was not necessarily surprising but it was disappointing, you know, the leaks she made very clear did not come from her office, and now we have defendants' attorneys saying publicly they were responsible for at least one of the leaks. but, you know, it looks lick it's something that could confound her case, that could complicate her case, and she said in court filings they could lead to intimidation of witnesses and really make it harder for more people to either flip or for the four defendants who have pleaded guilty to lesser charges to bring their information to court. >> lisa rubin, walk us through how unusual it is for an attorney to be the one who would leak these proffer videos and the argument that the attorney is making for why they thought it was a good idea? >> let's start with the question. because, i'm going to resist your question a little bit, and play devil's advocate with you. jonathan miller, the lawyer for misty hampton who admitted he was the one to share the videos said it wasn't a leak, and technically he is right. there was no protective order in place that would prevent any defendant here from sharing any of the discovery. fani willis and her team, they applied for a protective order in september, well before any of these pleas came down. they did not, then, return to judge scott mcafee and ask him to act on that motion for a protective order until yesterday when they suddenly had an emergency. my mom used to say, the lack of planning on your part does not justify an emergency on my part. and scott mcafee would have been well within his rights to have said that today to nathan wayne of the d.a.'s office. why? because after these pleas came down and they knew they had four video proffers, they didn't come back to him. >> you're saying it was the responsibility of the d.a.'s office to come back and pressed issue. >> yes, prosecutors will go to the court before discovery is released. saying we need an order that delineates which documents are in bounds to put in the public domain, and which are not. that happens in federal cases routinely. here that didn't happen, and instead, they released gigabyte to defendants in this case without having those assurances. and, you know, fool me once, you know the rest, right? >> i'm so struck having watched that interview with fani willis. we've sort of known the time line that that was possible, but when you hear her say it with such certitude, what does that mean for american democracy, if that is the time line that comes to fruition? >> well, i think there was a collective sigh when she said 2025. >> both in the studio and in the room she was in. >> yes, all across the country, and you know, the default adjective describing the case is sprawling. there are so many defendants. it's so complicated. some of the criticism is that it was sprawling, too many defendants, and so i assume, i'm going to ask you, lisa, this question. i mean, is that the reason that it's going to take so long because there are so many defendants? >> that's partially why it will take so long. it will take a while for them to get through discovery, to give them time to plead people out. i want to take issue, respectfully, i disagree that this case is necessarily going to go on warp speed toward that late 2024, early 2025 trial without interference from former president trump who thinks he will be future president trump, and this is why. because there is a school of thought that presidents cannot be subject to criminal prosecution. whether in the state or the federal system, that was something that was sort of on the sides of the litigation between cy vance's office and donald trump in the 2020 presidential cycle. it was determined that a president that was sitting could be subject to criminal process, and they would leave for another day whether that person could be subject to state prosecution. if donald trump is, in fact, reelected in november, i question whether his justice department will somehow interfere with fani willis's right to continue with that trial, even though we all presume that she should be allowed under federalism principles to continue to try that case. >> let me ask you a different question posed to fani willis, she was asked about her case versus jack smith's, her decision to indict 19 people, the cumbersome nation of that, take a listen. >> i think that's an uninformed opinion. in my office, as i told you, we have many rico indictments. i certainly have rico indictments that are bigger than 19. i think i have two with 28 defendants right now. we are capable of doing it. atlanta public schools, i was the lead prosecutor. i put 12 people at the table. the jury was able to decipher that evidence, make decisions. 11 were found guilty. one was acquitted. the jury was able to look at each individual's responsibility and hold them responsible. i don't think that 28 or 35 or 19 or 8, that's who got involved in the criminal enterprise, they deserved to be charged. in fact, they earned it. >> lisa. >> you know, i don't think -- i agree with fani willis, it's not impossible to try this case, and my expectation is that by the time she goes to trial, we will no longer be looking at 15 current defendants. the problem, though, is trying a case as large as the one she's talking about take years. if fani willis were here right now, d.a. willis, can you remind the american public how long it took your office when you were an assistant d.a. to try the case. the answer is years. and that's the issue here. how long will this take. jury selection in and of itself with let's say upwards of five defendants going to trial should take a matter of multiple months, and we should all be prepared for that. >> greg, i understand there's some news breaking regarding one of the codefendants in the trial, harrison floyd, what can you tell us? >> yeah, the fulton county district attorney's office has asked to revoke harrison floyd's bond. we're just getting that legal motion just a few minutes ago for allegedly sending tweets that would violate the order of his bond. the outlines of his bond that were harassing to potential witnesses. we're not sure exactly the scope of the tweets yet. the order just came in. he has been very active on his twitter account. he has about 25,000 or so followers on x, and he's been very active on it. there's a lot of social media posts to go through right now. i expect some back and forth from the attorneys and the d.a. identifies and harrison floyd's attorneys on that very shortly. >> greg bluestein, as always, thank you for spending time with us. lisa rubin, your rare day off from being inside the trump courtroom, thank you for choosing to spend it here. when we come back, the director of the fbi today warning of a rogue's gallery of terror threats here in the united states, ever since the october 7th attack on israel. that hearing and the unusual turn it took from some of the house gop. that's next. that's next. after switching to the farmer's dog we noticed so many improvements in remi's health. his allergies were going away and he just had amazing energy. it looks like nutritious food, and it is. i'm investing in my dog's health and happiness. get started at longlivedogs.com since october 7th, we've seen a rogue's gallery of foreign terrorist organizations call for attacks against americans and our allies. hezbollah expressed its support and praise for hamas and threatened to attack u.s. interests in the middle east. al qaeda issued its most specific call to attack the united states in the past five years. al qaeda and the reagan peninsula called on jihadists to attack americans and jewish people everywhere. isis urged its followers to target jewish communities in the united states and europe. >> that was fbi director christopher wray testifying before the house homeland security on the growing threats the u.s. faces worldwide, particularly after the october 7th terrorist attack by hamas. wray testified alongside homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, and director of the national counter terrorism center. republicans largely used the hearing as an excuse to attack secretary mayorkas on the biden administration's border policy after the caucus tried and failed to pass an impeachment resolution against mayorkas yesterday. joining our conversation, justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian. rick is back with us. ken, did the fbi director detail specific ways they are countering extremist threats here at home? >> not really. i think what's interesting is the fbi director is speaking in a different way the fbi used to speak about the terrorist threat. they used to talk in terms of do we have evidence of a credible threat, a plot, of terrorists abroad trying to infiltrate the united states. now they talk about what they're seeing on social media and what al qaeda and other groups are saying because they've realized that they have to do that. january 6th was in part a lesson. they largely ignored rhetoric that was happening on social media, and then when the attack happened, people said, what were you thinking, why didn't you pay attention to that. now they're sounding the alarm. they're saying, in fact, we are at a heightened state of threat because there are loan extremists in the united states. we're liable to be radicalized and energized by the threat stream they're getting on social media and elsewhere, from al qaeda, isis, hamas, and hezbollah, and that's a real concern. there's not a lot the fbi can do about that, frankly, other than to be vigilant and to communicate with local law enforcement, and to try to find people who cross the line on social media. they're in a delicate position about what they can look at on social media without the fancy word they use is predication, meaning a legal reason to look at it because they don't want to impinge on people's first amendment rights. i have to also say all of this is coming at a time when there was a court case that really constrained how the u.s. government could communicate with the social media platforms to flag foreign disinformation and terrorist content. even though the supreme court has taken that case and put the order on hold, the fbi is still being very conservative about how it communicates with social media platforms about trying to take down some of this extremist content. >> i want you to take a listen to what congressman clay higgins used his time to do. >> can you confirm the fbi had that sort of engagement with your own agents embedded within the crowd on january 6th? >> if you are asking whether the violence at the capitol on january 6th was part of some operation orchestrated by fbi sources and/or agents, the answer is emphatically not. >> you're saying no? >> no. not violence orchestrated by fbi sources or agents. >> these buses are nefarious in nature and were filled with fbi informants dressed as trump supporters. your day is coming, mr. wray. >> make your point. >> can you imagine, here we are, talking about heightened threats from all over the globe, and what republicans choose to focus on are debunked conspiracy theories, that makes us less safe. >> that's why conspiracy theories are so powerful, it's sort of like a magical belief system that's not contradicted by facts or evidence. and, in fact, it does touch on what director wray has talked about consistently for many years now, which is that the greatest threats to america are internal threats. it's not al qaeda. it's not isis. it's not foreign islamic groups. it's american hate groups, so-called militias, he made the point, which i thought was very powerful. he said, jewish americans make up 2.4% of the population. but they represent 60% of the religious terrorist threats against them. now, i'm not discounting islamophobia, which is huge, and also has increased since october 7th. but this one particular group is a focus of this, and the focus comes not just from these external groups, but from the internal american terrorist groups. >> among the rogue gallery. ken, it seemed at one point, marjorie taylor greene, she got a little confused about which agency the fbi director works for. let me play you that exchange. >> i posted them on my twitter account. it's public, you know, maybe -- >> i don't spend a lot of time on twitter. >> oh, i'm sure you do, because the department of homeland security organized with other offices has censured many americans, including myself. >> i'm not part of the department of homeland security. >> so lots there to unpack. the idea that the fbi director is very busy monitoring mtgs, twitter or x, among them. but the fact that she couldn't get the basic facts straight. i mean, you've watched a lot of these hearings. i wonder what that tells you about how seriously they are considering the threats that are happening against the homeland worldwide. >> look, these hearings have always been about members of congress getting their five minutes of theatrics and tv time, but they really devolved over the last four or five years, and particularly now into somewhat of a circus, and that was a great example. the clay higgins segment you played was a great example, and even when the republicans today tried to mount serious criticisms, they generally cherry picked their facts. for example, they were harping a lot on the increased number of people on the terrorism watch list encountered at the southern border, without mentioning, there was a year during the trump administration when the number was higher, and no one has committed a terrorist attack in the united states having crossed the border illegally since 1975, according to the cato institute. there's a lot of misinformation and disinformation floating around at this hearing, and it went on for six hours, by the way, and chris wray and alejandro mayorkas had to sit through it all and grit their teeth and answer where they could. >> look over here not over here. ken dilanian, thank you so much for joining us. the latest on the israel's take over of a hospital after releasing videos it says were taken from inside the complex, showing weapons and explosives, reportedly stockpiled by hamas. what the latest escalation says about the future of the war. that's next. 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specific part of the al shifa hospital. israel released two videos it says shows weapons and explosives inside gaza's main children's hospital, arguing again that hamas is using hospitals in gaza for underground operations and to keep hostages, a claim denied by doctors and hamas, but supported by u.s. intelligence. that's according to the white house yesterday. joining us now from a "washington post" jerusalem bureau, janine zacharia. the idf found assault weapons and grenades inside al shifa hospital. your reaction to the escalation, especially because you have the white house saying u.s. information backs israel's claims about militants using the hospitals for its operations. >> i think it's clear they use them for their operations and it may lead to a better outcome now that the israelis, looks like they have wrapped up the military operation in the hospital, showing the press around there, giving them a tour. maybe that will enable more hospital equipment and aid to get into the hospital, and actually settle some of the tensions there. maybe give an opportunity to evacuate some of the patients there that need to be evacuated. so i think what it shows is that israel is going site by site to try and, a, dismantle what they can of hamas's military operations and also they're looking some 240 israeli hostages, and that is really when you listen to israeli officials, that's the crux of the matter at this moment. >> i want you to take a listen to what national security council spokesperson john kirby told reporters today, we believe that hospitals should be protected and this of course places an added burden on the israeli defense forces as they conduct their operations around al shifa. that balance that they are trying to strike there. >> yes, it's very difficult, very fraught, and hospitals of course are protected under humanitarian law, but if we do believe u.s. intelligence, and i think they're right that hamas puts fighters beneath those hospitals and weapons, that's precisely why they do it, so they get stories like the ones we're doing right now, and they get images from hospitals like the ones we're showing now to elicit sympathy for their cause and elicit hostility to israel. that's why they do it. >> israeli prime minister netanyahu says he spoke with biden today, and then struck an especially defiant tone posting on x, quote, we were told that we would not reach gaza city. we did. we were told that we would not enter shifa, we entered, referring to al shifa hospital in gaza city. there is no hiding, no shelter, no refuge for the murderers of hamas. what do you think happens next? >> prime minister netanyahu has shown no sign that he's really willing to stop the mission from israel's perspective, which is to dismantle hamas's milts military capabilities and rescue the hostages. president biden wanted to see less intrusive action in the hospital. clearly there wasn't that. in the end, as i mentioned, i think if the israelis are maintaining control or at least a security perimeter around the hospital now, hopefully that hospital can start functioning again, and that the civilians, or the palestinian civilian can protected and supported and maybe evacuated. the main issue right now as we're seeing at the u.n. is pressure on israel to agree to a five-day pause in fighting. they're saying three. it looks like there's a deal in the works to release some of the hostages in exchange for a pause. i imagine that the president's envoy who's in the region right now, that's what he's working to attain. >> thank you so much for being with us and for your expertise. we're going to be right here when we come back. president biden's summit with the president of china, that story and much more is next. st before dawn. with caplyta, there's a chance to let in the lyte. caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and ii 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my way!♪ ♪♪ the reality we face today as republicans, as we think about the choice in front of us, we have to choose because republicans cannot both be loyal to donald trump and loyal to the constitution. hi, again, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york. i'm in for nicolle wallace. that choice by former congresswoman liz cheney has been made loud and clear. republicans have chosen the four-time indicted, twice impeached president over the united states constitution, a choice made starker after trump's heinous comments made over the weekend. president de fiercely denounced his words at a fundraiser saying, trump said, if he returns to office, he'll go after all those who oppose him and wipe out, quote, the vermin. that was language you heard in nazi germany in the '30s. it's not the fir time. trump talked ou quote, blood of america being poisoned. the blood of america is being poisoned. it echos the same phrases used in nazi germany. using the language of fascists, spreading distrust in elections, saying he'll use the government to go after his enemies. yet, republicans have chosen to follow trump down that path, choosing to side with his anti-democratic ways. there's a chilling warning about the gop's shift openly hostile to t system of government that's defined america forwo and a half centuries. we're one year away from a vote that could end democracy in america. it's not in conceivable my 1-year-old grandson might not re life in a democratic america. not only do trump a the gop leadership show contempt for democracy, a recent poll suggests a substantial number of americans support those views. they don'take up a majorityf the electorate, but represent half of all republicans and they could in gerrymandered states produce an outcome that should make your blood run could. the gop is now an anti-democracy policy where those impulses are not hiding in the shadows, but embraced. this is what we heard from rick santorum after the vote in ohio. >> thank goodness most states don't allow you to put everything on the ballot. pure democracies are not the way to run a country. >> we start with joslin benson and eddie gloud. good to see you all. madam secretary, let's start with you. when i read that line about a 1-year-old grandson may not know democracy in this country, i think of the fact we have little kids. is that what you imagine? >> it's not who we are. we're in a moment as a country where we're going to have to decide who we'll be for the next generation. who will we be moving forward? that's the choice voters face next year. it's one we have to make clear above all the noise, above all the issues, all the candidates, this is a choice over whether we'll be a democracy for future generations or we abandon that principle and change who we are forever. >> i want to drill down on president biden's condemnation of trump's comments. he compares it to nazi germany and points out that trump says immigrants are poisoning the blood of this country. trump wants to change the governing structure of this country, but the comment about immigrants reminds us he wants to change the fabric of this nation as we have known it. >> right. remember, behind all this is this notion of the great replacement theory. there's this demographic shift that white americans are becoming a permanent minority. there's this fear and panic driving this. vermin talk, blood poisoning talk, we heard it in nazi germany, but germany first looked to the united states. i hear madam secretary and what she's saying that this is not us. there's been a long tradition that defined the american project and we had to reach for our better angels when that bubbled up. we're in one of those inflection points. she's right, we have to choose who we are because the language donald trump is using, he's reaching into a deep reservoir of grievance and hatred and fear that's defined the nation for generations, but we've kept it in check. this is a critical moment in terms of who we take ourselves to be. >> how do you keep it in check? >> voters and american citizens recognizing the goal of this is to get people to disengage and throw up their hands and say i don't know what to believe and not participate. we all must lean in, participate and demand our country remain one where we're protecting equal justice for all. >> there's the reality of what the secretary has said which is these are the stakes of this election, the future of this country. do you want to continue to be a democracy? we also know, you better than most because you're watching the polls and sitting in focus groups, that's not the frame that voters are talking about. they're talking about the economy. they're talking about reproductive rights. they're talking about issues that you could argue all tie to democracy. that may not be the actual language they're using. how do democrats campaign? for those in elected positions, how do they govern when they have another party that's actively trying to dismantle democracy and potentially a republican presidential frontrunner who is running on that core concept? >> well, they do tie them together. that was in focus groups in milwaukee a couple weeks back with an african american woman who was talking about how reproductive -- them taking away her right to decide what she does with her body is a throwback to segregation and it's a slippery slope back to the era of jim crow. our leaders have to lead. madam secretary is right in that we have to give them the language. we have to get out in front of them and lead them. we have to talk to them about democracy. we have to connect the dots to them rolling back, you know, rights, voting rights, reproductive rights and connecting that back into a broader conversation about democracy. look, republicans want to make this about small ball. they want to make it about fear and grievance as the point was made. i will point out to you that someone in 2008 and 2012 turned the tables on that and we got back-to-back majorities talking about hope, talking about the future, talking about bringing all americans together. look, the majority of americans are not where donald trump and the authoritarians are. we have to hold that majority together. in 2016 we saw that majority deteriorate. we saw third-party voting happening with their disillusionment with both parties. that's a threat to our democracy right now, these weapons of mass distraction that you see all over social media right now. my fear is the majority of americans will never support donald trump. they won't. he doesn't need a majority if, in fact, the majority of americans who are for hope and democracy are, in fact, divided. that's my fear going into this when you look at the third party candidates and you look at them being funded and you look at them getting a platform and doubling down on trump's messaging about how terrible things are and how we're losing america and how dangerous america is becoming. they are helping donald trump. >> i want to play some sound for you. i'm sure you've seen it. it happened in the senate yesterday. senator mullen of oklahoma challenging the teamster president who was a witness. >> quit the tough guy act in these senate hearings. you know where to find me, any place, any time, cowboy. this is the time. this is the place. you want to run your mouth. we can finish it here. >> that's fine. perfect. >> you want to do it now. >> i would love to do it now. >> stand your butt up then. >> you stand your butt up. >> stop it. sit down. you're a united states senator. >> we've talked about that a lot. i want to put it through this specific lens. ruth writes, when you've become a party of thugs having normalized extremism, your collective behavior in congress will change. donald trump using the word vermin, talking about how he's going to go after his political opponents. there's also the gop leaders following. >> and gaining followers and attention because of it. a lot of times you see in senate hearings is serious discussion and there's also grand standing. yesterday that was taken to a whole other level. i was struck by not just what this messaging was sending, but how the people who are cheering us on and cheering the dysfunction are foreign adversaries, russia, north korea, iran. they're rooting for democracy to fail. this is what they want voters to see so they give up on democracy. instead, we should be demanding better for our leaders. i don't care what party you're from, that's inappropriate behavior. we need to demand more from our leaders. >> not everyone can say it quite so plainly. i want to play a little of senator john barrasso defending senator mullen. >> mark wayne, he read tweets from that witness, from that labor leader. he read the tweets and said, look, you've challenged many e. here you are. do you stand for it or not? it seemed like the witness was a bully and called out on it. >> i hear you when you call for our better angels. i hear secretary benson when she talks about voters needing to stay engaged. it's also going to require some republican leaders who are willing to step up and say this is not how we do things around here. >> yeah, i suppose it will. i don't want to hold my breath in that regard. look, we saw what a kind of vial masculinity can generate, can produce. these guys -- i mean, they're trying to prove their manhood at a senate hearing? it shows in so many ways that we don't have statesmen and stateswomen leading the country. to expect republicans to step up, over the last how many years have we expected them to step up? we need to get more aggressive in our condemnation of this behavior and, b, our defense of the values that we hold dear, of the country we want. if we become more aggressive in making that argument, whether they come to condemn that or not may be irrelevant. >> there's what they say, joslin, but then there's what they do the legislating. i was looking at what happened in ohio where you had voters coming out saying they wanted to enshrine abortion into our state constitution. then you have gop leaders coming through and saying -- in some ways that's the scariest thing we've seen. >> it's offensive to voters who put officials in offense. voters speak loudly and clearly as they have done in ohio, milwaukee, kansas and kentucky. the people they elect to serve them need to uphold that will. that's what we've been fighting. it's not just about one election in 2020 that many people worked to overturn. you've seen little examples of people trying to ignore the will of the people in ohio and michigan and elsewhere. we need to demand better from our official. >> i want to know if we come out and vote and have these gop leaders not taking our votes seously, has that come out in your focus grou? last month this survey came out and among the queio is if people thought things went so far off track and they need a leader to break rules to fix it. 2 in 5 responders said they did. do you see that in your research? >> that data shows an interesting point there. that sentiment is most likely among republicans. connect the dots back on this. this is, you know, finding that they don't believe so much in democracy. they believe in power. when they can't get power, they'll change the rules. they'll move the goal post. this is really about power, not about democracy. that's the conversation that i think you have to have. this conversation where we have to talk to americans about democracy, it is a new conversation. you know, we don't talk -- this is not a topic in 2004. it's not a topic in 2008. it's not a topic in previous elections. we're finding that our public schools are not doing a good job teaching civics and participation. americans do believe in democracy and they are very afraid of the slippery slope. we're also picking up that americans think we're on the verge of another civil war. that's frightening. to that point about your 1-year-old, about your children, we've had conversations where moms talk about what does it mean for my child if america is in a democracy? what does it mean for my child if we continue on this path of division? reproductive rights was a big issue going through the last two elections and it has been. democracy's loss been connected to that and the division that they see happening in this country. most moderate americans are not comfortable with the divisions we have in this country. >> we talked a lot about voter suppression and the challenges for advocates of people being able to vote. we talk about suppressing the vote. when you talk about voter subversion, does it have that same effect? does it make people feel like why bother showing up if the folks in power don't take my vote seriously? >> that's what folks in power want us to feel. they want us to think our voice doesn't matter. they want us to give up and not know who to believe. that's when we have to dig in and become consumers and demand politicians listen to the will of the people. we're seeing that in young voters. michigan led the nation in youth voter turnout in 2022. when you start to take away rights, young voters and women will demand their rights be protected. that's why the initiative in michigan was so critical. it's because of voters amending our state constitution to enshrine voting rights. when you step up and demand change from the ballot initiative, you can engage people in a powerful way. >> we should be making it easier for you to vote. when we return, the man who allegedly attacked paul pelosi with a hammer said he was radicalized by right wing podcast and had a hit list. another example of the real world consequences of right wing rhetoric. we'll get to that next. also ahead, the vote to fund the government is further proof that when it comes to doing the work of the country, only one political party is taking it seriously. later, why a major spanish network once perceived by trump as an enemy is now 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we don't know. the jury has the case. they've had it since about 11:30 local time. it's now 2:20. they have a few hours left in the day. they've had a lunch. they have a lot of material to go through. they have to debate the theory of the spirit of the charges. that could take some time. the earliest we could see a verdict is tomorrow. >> let's drill down on why they're making this argument. the defense is trying to argue the charges of kidnapping and assault shouldn't be playing out in federal court because they say he wasn't trying to kidnap nancy pelosi in her role as speaker at the time. talk about the case made by the prosecution this week and the contours of that, the debate of whether or not it should be tried in state or federal court. >> reporter: the defense is arguing because he was so radicalized and these theories are the guiding light he was following and also saying, by the way, he had a hit list of tom hanks, adam schiff and hunter biden, that nancy pelosi's home was the first one. there was no thought to his plan that constituted more than just, i've got these crazy ideas and i'll act on them. the prosecution is saying you know nancy pelosi is a key figure in the democratic party. you have to know this because we have the receipts. part of what they did is brought in all these investigators, federal investigators, local police officers that have receipts and search histories going back to tracking nancy pelosi's address, doing google searches about her. the point is they have evidence showing he knew his target. he knew what he was doing and, in effect, he had to know this was a public official and doing what he said he was going to do which is break her kneecaps if she didn't say the right things he wanted her to say was impeding a public official no matter how she was acting in that role. didn't have to be that she was going to make a floor speech. all he had to do is what he did. that's the prosecution. they've made that case and done it by showing how horrific that attack was by displaying images of paul pelosi face down in a pool of his own blood. >> absolutely brutal. steve patterson in san francisco, thank you. secretary benson, i want to read you more reporting about how he was radicalized. this is from the a.p. he spoke for more than an hour about how after reading a comment on a youtube video about donald trump he said he went to nancy pelosi's home to talk about russian involvement in the 2020 election. you know better than most that these debunked conspiracy theories that rip around the dark web have real world consequences. >> i started my career investigating hate groups across the country and saw the direct line between hateful rhetoric and violent acts. that's what we're seeing play out here and what we've seen play out for election officials as well who have been directly -- these aren't just secretaries of state, but neighbors and friends and who we have to worry about. we increased penalties for those who threaten them. we have to think about protecting democracy in this moment. not just lawmakers, but the poll workers who put their lives on the line to make democracy work. it's deeply concerning, but we can't divorce the actions from the actual rhetoric that so many political lead, former president donald trump included. they're directly connected to the violent acts we're seeing play out in this case. >> to that point, this was an attack, political violence on an 83-year-old man in his own home. it could land the defendant in prison for the rest of his life. yet, trump participated in the lies and conspiracies about the attack on the days after. he continues to mock the attack by his own supporter just this past weekend. >> absolutely. i think this is really important what madam secretary just said. oftentimes we're able to cordon off these acts by saying it's a lone actor, perhaps mental health concerns and it's not indicative of a broader set of circumstances. no. he gave us evidence there's an ecosystem here producing ways in which people understand politicians, understand the political currents of our moment and understand themselves in relation to it all. it's that ecosystem, the information that's siloed, the information that comes to folks and lead people to act in certain ways. in other words the environment, the environment of our politics is such that it can produce these insidious acts on the part of folk, can radicalized folk who are disaffected and full of grievance and hatred. if we don't understand that, we don't understand why cornell's data is showing us a lot of americans feel we're on the brink of civil war. >> thank you all for being here. why new house speaker mike johnson might need to look over his shoulder why his caucus was divided over his plan to keep the government open. it was democrats who made the work of governing possible. we'll explain after a break. 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johnson who achieved his speakership after his own republican party forcibly removed the last guy from the seat for having the audacity to communicate with democrats on a similar bill. look at yesterday's vote tally. in favor, 127 republicans, 209 democrats. against the cr, 93 republicans, 2 democrats. we now have to wonder whether the house speaker will pay a price for law craft and lays bare a false equivalency in the american arena. it doesn't appear there are two parties compromising to address matters moving our country forward. there's one party interested in governance and another that is not. joining our conversation tim miller. cornell and eddie are back. tim, do you see it that way, one party looking to lead, one party getting in fist fights during congressional hearings? >> there's definitely one party that's required for governing, i would say that, because they couldn't fund the government with the republican majority and they required democrats to do so and more democrats than republicans. what does that mean going forward? to me this is a replay of something i've seen and back when i was a republican and now covering it up closely going back to john boehner. to be a governing republican is to begin to seen your death warrant within the party. the base of the party is not looking for governing. they're looking to burn it all down. they're looking for anarchy. you see this with mike johnson. matt gaetz is the reason kevin mccarthy went down. he said he gets a mulligan. chip roy was on the floor saying time is running out. steve bannon on his podcast today saying, okay, you're on the clock, mike johnson. he is going to have a very short leash to do things like this because the people with the actual power within the party -- power comes from the voters -- are the ones that don't want to govern. >> cornell, rachel maddox was on steven colbert after the continuing resolution passed. listen to her reaction. >> this is not a party trying to govern. we're faced with this larger project right now in our politics which is that one side under the republican party's leader is trying to say, you know, my political opponents don't deserve to live. i shouldn't be subject to elections. i can use the power to crush my enemies to get revenge. the democrats are like we would like to talk about light rail and balanced foreign policy. democrats are still treating this like it's a governing project. it's really -- the two parties are doing two different things. >> i will tell rachel that got a laugh from you, cornell. there's not a symmetry and i wonder how folks like yourself account for it going into 2024. >> it's tough because we're in unchartered waters. we're having to define election lines in way we never had to before. historically elections are about economic policy, education policy and every now and then foreign policy enters into the conversation. it's whiplash. we are in unchartered waters where we have to talk to voters about democracy and explain to them how democracy is slipping away and have them vote on something they haven't voted on before. the average american would rather not have to think about democracy. the average voter, a woman, a mom, would rather think about their children's education and what's for lunch tomorrow and what she's going -- what's that sorry man on the couch doing and getting the kids to practice, but we're trying to have a conversation with her about democracy because we have to have a conversation with her about democracy. that's new and that's different. we're not going to always get it right, but we have to get it right over the next couple months because in the end we need those moms to be voting on democracy when they -- even though they want to focus on education and their pocket book issues. we have to have a conversation about bigger things, about democracy, they've not had to think about in their real world lives. that's a challenge. >> cornell, you are wrong. as a mother the last thing i want to think about is what my kids are eating for lunch. i take your broader point. eddie, i want to play you something from the house floor. chip roy, a member of the house freedom caucus, with a message to his colleagues. >> one thing, i want my republican colleagues to give me one thing, one, that i can campaign on and say we did. one. anybody sitting in the complex, if you want to come to the floor and explain to me one material, meaningful, significant thing that the republican majority has done. >> eddie, i'm not sure how you explain he's a big part of the problem and folks like him are part of the problem. there is that core question about whether or not congress can deliver and who it benefits if there's a perception that congress cannot do the bare minimum. >> absolutely. look, the quick answer to roy's question is it's a platter of grievance, a platter of owning the libs, it's a platter of deconstructing the administrative state. matt gaetz, i can give you blushes or ticks on tiktok so you can raise money. the deliverables aren't the deliverables they're asking for. it's the deliverables they think keeps them in power. cornell hit it on the head in the way he answered your previous question. in the 1850s there was a debate. one side was debating from the point of view of existential crisis. the other side was trying to govern. they kept losing ground and the side that was fighting existentially shot bullets. there's a side that's arguing that the question around who we'll be as a nation speaks to the heart of white america, speaks to the heartland, while the other side is speaking about policy. we have to fight on existential grounds. if we don't, we'll lose the country. roy is just a minor voice even though his actions feed into the very things we're talking about. >> existential indeed. no one is going anywhere. a seismic shift ahead of the election. why a major spanish network under new ownership has a new approach in the way it's 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"the washington post" saying trump is treating them and its new corporate owners like long-lost friends. this friendliness towards trump who said that immigrants were, quote, poisoning the blood of our country has come with a new found hostility towards democrats. the "washington post" says not only was an interview with a biden spokesperson canceled, they also canceled ads to air n its network. they said, its news division operating independently of the ad sales division. we're back with tim, cornell and eddie. i was an employee at univision in 2015 when i remember jorge ramos being expelled from that press conference. you remember the pearl clutching that happened at that moment about whether or not it was appropriate, whether or not it was journalism. it is wild to sit here in 2023 and see that moment with jorge side by side with this most recent interview. >> it is. it's extremely alarming. at that time i was working for jeb and we were trying to work with univision. there was a difference of opinion on policy issues. he spoke spanish and we would do interviews with them. they would be tough interviews at time, but we felt they were important. the sea change is dramatic. it's something everybody should be worried about. there's a new overtly maga spanish tv network that sprang up. maga influences in spanish languages on talk radio and other places. i'll defer to you, alicia, on some of this as a gringo who only speaks english. i know how you can radicalize people and how you can take people that are generally liberal but have a few conservative views and send them down a pipeline using propaganda. we're seeing in english speaking media this start to sprout in spanish speeding media. this univision news is the most alarming development at all. >> i want to look at that side by side with this reporting. efforts behind the scenes at fox, listen to this. in an email, stelter republicans fighting to hold on. according to stelter, murdoch explicitly aimed to help h close personal friends in the senate, including then mitch mcconnell and mehmet oz. i mean, this is -- when you step back, eddie, and, look at it as an institutional guardrail, you see just how much trouble we are in. >> absolutely. it's the corruption of the fourth estate. when we see that the information is siloed, that it's distilled, that we are affirmed in our prejudices, then the citizenry can't acquire the information necessary to engage in deliberations to act responsibly. if that's the case, democracy's done. it's a wrap. so we've got that happening but then we have to identify very quickly the oligarchs, the big money that's driving it all, right? 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