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office is now reviewing the hostages slated for release by hamas today. this morning, an interview with kristen walker on and as somebody sees -- said the administration has, quote, reason to believe one american hostage will be released today. yesterday, hamas released 17 hostages, 13 israelis, four thai citizens. israel released 39 palestinian prisoners, according to the israeli prison authority. that exchange was delayed for several hours after hamas accused israel of violating the terms of that temporary truce. a diplomat telling nbc news a qatari operations team is located in tel aviv to ensure the deal continues to run smoothly. meanwhile, love much needed humanitarian aid trucks continue to enter into gaza. joining me now, nbc news correspondent, erin mclaughlin in tel aviv, israel. erin, good morning. national security adviser, jake sullivan, saying one american may be among those hostages released today. take a quick listen to his interview from earlier on meet the press. >> you expect american hostages to be released today? >> well, kristen, the initial hostage deal involves the release of women and children. there are three americans in that category, two women, and one young child. we have reason to believe that one of those americans will be released today. but until we see her out, safely from gaza, in the hands of the authorities and ultimately in the hands of her family, we will not be certain. >> erin, you're over in that region, what have you heard? is there a process of notifying the families of these hostages that will be released? >> hey, katie. well, we have been speaking to families of hostages still being held inside of gaza. they describe this detailed process by which they get notified that their loved one may be among those released. at four pm the day prior, according to one family member, he says that they all get a phone call, every single family member gets a call from israeli officials, letting them know whether or not their loved ones are on the list to be released the next day. one family member describing the call as russian roulette. another one saying that with each release, it gives them hope for the next release, and the next release. this is a harrowing process because even if they're told that their loved one is going to be released, is going to be on the list, they do not know for sure until that loved one is handed over to israeli officials. i've been speaking to a spokes person earlier this morning, she says the process for today's hostage exchanges underway. she was underscoring the fragility of this process, releasing a statement saying, these are operations that are delegated, complicated, and one can never be absolutely certain they will take place given all of the complexities. right now this is a region very much holding its breath to see if this exchange doesn't fight go forward today, katie. >> nbc's correspondent, eric mclaughlin, live in tel aviv, thanks for being here, appreciate it. joining me now for more this conversation, former ambassador of israel to the united kingdom, mark revive, now serves as a senior adviser to israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. ambassador, national security adviser, jake sullivan, saying un-american maybe among those released today. talk about what it takes to get an american hostage out of the situation that clearly is a conflict between israel and hamas. >> first of all, we'd like them to all come out immediately, all the hostages. they should all be released immediately and unconditionally, but hamas does not play that game. with the help of the biden administration, we negotiated a deal that allows for 50 people to be released over a period of four days. so far, we have received two groupings of 13, which totals 26. this means there is another that hamas has committed to release in the next two days. as you know, the priorities that were negotiated were for women and children. you're national security adviser told nbc this morning, there are three americans in that category, we hope to see them in the coming two days. >> ambassador, is this just buying time for hamas to regroup and to live to fight another day? we all know that israel is at the conclusion of this four-day cease-fire, still made it very clear that it's going to pursue its military targets in gaza. >> that's correct, this is a pause in the fight against hamas to get our people out. you have to remember that the framework deal that was agreed to, we're willing to extend this pause for the release of the hostages, there's actually a formula in place that says for an extra day of the pause, ten hostages will be released, and another ten, and so one. if hamas decides that it wants to extend the pause, the pause will be extended. all they have to do is release hostages, that's one of the major goals of our operation. the pause in the operation is to allow that to happen, to allow hostages to be released. it's only a pause in the operation. in the end, we have no choice but to eliminate hamas. after the violence we saw them commit on october 7th, and their petered statements of hamas leaders that given the chance, given the opportunity, given the capability, they would only repeat the massacre of october 7th, in their words, they said, again, and again, and again. our goal remains the same. the dismantling of the hamas military regime, the end of the ruling gaza. ultimately, that's good for israel, for obvious reasons, but it's also good for the people of gaza who deserve better than this regime, this terror regime that's been rolling the gaza strip for the last 16 years and has brought the palestinians there nothing but poverty, punishment, and bloodshed. they deserve better too. >> ambassador, in the prior hour, during an interview with aaron david miller, he indicated that part of the complications in the negotiation between israel and hamas, and with a full understanding of hamas is a terrorist organization, to the extent that can be done in good faith, the complication comes from the fact there is no direct negotiations. you have qataris, you have americans, you have other kind of people that are involved with this process, do you agree with that assessment that because it's not a direction negotiation that that is further complicating issues? >> no, i don't believe so. obviously it can become diluted at times in that we talk to the americans, the americans talk to the connector ease, the qatar people talk to the hamas people in gaza. i'm not sure there is another way to do it in this stage, the egyptians have also tried to be helpful. the fact remains that hamas is a terrorist organization, like ices, like al-qaeda. the idea that we would have diplomatic conversations with a terrorist group is unacceptable. obviously, we wouldn't. here, we're using the qatari government, they have relatis with hamas. they actually host hamas leadership in their country. they told the world, when people criticize them for hosting terrorists, people in israel in the united states have criticize them for it, they say, our relationship with hamas, it brings benefits. this is their opportunity to show that, yes, the relationship with hamas brings benefits. if they bring up 50 hostages through their relationship, people in israel say, yes, that has helped. once again, the proof in the pudding is in the -- world waiting to see what will happen after the fourth day. well hamas pursue the option of extending the humanitarian pause and release another ten hostages. ultimately, we're willing for, that we're not sure what hamas wants to do. as you see, every day, they've been causing problems. last-minute setbacks, last-minute postponements, we've never had the hostages released on time. we'll see what happens today. that is hamas. i've said, i'll say it now, anyone who's dealing with hamas, you have to have nerves of steel. they're extremely difficult to deal with, very brutal and fanatical terror organization. i'll say one, thing to the other. they have no compulsion about killing the innocent, they have no trouble about killing the truth either. sometimes their statements have no relationship whatsoever to reality. as president biden said in these press conferences on friday, we don't trust hamas, but we believe that they will function under pressure. the pressure of a renewed israeli military operation against them, we were, up until this pause, we were destroying the military machine, we were limiting the senior commanders, they were having blow after blow, they were receiving from the israeli military. i think that was the important push that made them go for the humanitarian pause because they understood that was the only way they can get a timeout. i believe, if we keep the thrill of the pressure up, if need be, we apply the pressure n,heest way to facilitate the release of hostages. >> we are on day three of a day for cease-fire, we'll see whether not hamas puts its money where its mouth is, it releases the hostages today. ambassador mark -- thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll continue to bring in the very latest with the israel hamas temporary cease-fire and hostage deal throughout the day here on msnbc. and still to come, my sunday morning power political panel on the looming move on capitol hill to boot and battle representative george santos out of congress. plus, long shot presidential candidate, dean phillips, under fire for his disparaging comments about vice president kamala harris. we'll talk about it next. harris. we'll talk about it next we'll talk about it next >> teeth sensitivity is so common. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down. and my patients say you know doc, it really works. the subway series is taking your favorite to the next level! like the #20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch. built with rotisserie-style chicken and double cheese. i love what i'm seeing here. that's some well-coached chicken. you done, peyton? 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all be the only one expelled without a conviction. ll be expelled because people simply did not like me, because theythought that they didn't want me, i'm too much of an outsider. >> joining me now, jennifer reuben, washington post opinion writer and the author of resistance, how women changed democracy from donald trump. and juanita tyler, msnbc political analyst a -- good morning to both of you. jennifer, i like to start with you. what does it say about the state of the gop that they're willing to vote george santos off the island but they'll keep mtg and lauren boebert? >> well, it is pretty interesting, i think it shows that its ideology and mega subservience above all. no matter what you've done, so long as they are devoted maga person and pay homage to donald trump, you can stay. however, if you're an embarrassment and kind of a non supporter or a lukewarm supporter, or doing nothing for the cause, off you go, off the island. i'm a little bit surprised or even willing to get rid of him since their numbers are very small in the house and the loose one seat. i'll take it. getting rid of someone like george santos, it's at least to start. from there, we can talk about other people who need to go. >> juanita, i can play a little bit more of santos's wild conversation from this weekend. take a quick listen. >> i was, as we joke around a law in my circles, were like, oh my god, you are the it girl, everybody wanted you, until nobody wanted me. within the ranksf e united states congress, the'felons galore, there is people with all sorts of shy steep backgrounds, and all of a sudden, george santos is the mary magdalena of the united states congress. >> juanita, any chance george santos survives this vote to expel him from congress? >> absolutely not. you've seen republicans who did resist expelling him in the previous two attempts, saying they change their mind due to this ethics report. george santos seems to be coming to terms with that reality of being expelled. he's clearly not gonna go kicking and screaming. i do question him being an integral, i don't think he ever checked that box within the republican party, he was merely the extra vote, as jen reuben pointed, out the margins were slim. the reality is, george santos has caused even more shame to come to the republican party than someone like marjorie taylor greene. that's really really shocking. i do think that this vote for expulsion does align with what george santos's current constituents want, as polling has showed, 75% of them want him out of congress. i do expect him to, again, go kicking and screaming. -- these other claims about republicans, he should honestly let somebody else do it, considering he has absolutely no credibility at this point. >> sounded more like extortion to me, what do i know? jennifer, more important business for lawmakers other than expelling george santos. when they retn from the holiday break, keeping the government funded past the deadline for the new year. speaker mike johnson, when he's not running down to mar-a-lago to kiss the ring, running into the same problems crawling works remembers of his party that mccarthy had. i mean, jennifer, you had a really great piece on the 19th of november about how democrats are the true majority in the house. so, what do you see happening as we approach these new deadlines for government funding to be shut down? >> well, the reason i say that it's the democrats were acting like the majority, ostensibly, mike johnson wants to keep the government running, but he has to rely on democrats to do it. nt running, but hethey've done h when we reached the deadline for funding the government. i think the real question is whether he wants to once more take the wrath of the right rear land democrats to, again, extend the government, or whether he feels compelled to actually shut down the government, which i think would be disastrous for republicans, particularly those who are in swing districts, those 18 who are in districts that joe biden won in 2020. don't forget, there is another factor in here which is they have to decide whether they want to fund ukraine and israel. for people who keep saying they love israel, they still haven't committed to a funding package. that's another issue there. whether they will vote on both simultaneously to the chagrin of the far-right or whether they will have to break those two apart, it remains to be seen. >> juanita, interesting sound coming out of retiring senator mitt romney, making headlines following a recent cbs interview, saying he would vote for most of the republican field for president, except for trump or vivek ramaswamy. i question that judgment still. he would even consider some democrats good. does romney reflect the views of other republicans out there? is he just another lawmaker on his way out, so, he thinks it's okay to say this? >> i think he's another lawmaker on the way out. let's be real, the people who have flocked to trump, been with him since 2016, they're not going anywhere. any republicans who wanted an ramprom trump got that an 18, 20, and january 6th, as well as 2022. i don't see much additional movement coming from their. i do think what mitt romney is saying might have some sway with independent voters who might be on the fence here. might be looking to 2024 to make another change or independent voters who had been on the fence here but also considering which democrats support, knowing you have folks like -- in the race. i think him saying this -- i am also looking at the single issue voters. romney saying this, with the underlying things associate with protecting our democracy at play here, we know there is the single issue voters out there who are looking at that and who may hear what mitt romney says, again, those independents, and then side with a different crowd in 2024. >> jennifer, quickly, before we have to go, make this make sense to me, long shot never gonna make it democratic contender, dean phillips, announcing, i'm not gonna run for reelection, i'm gonna run for president, got himself into hot water when he unfairly, in my opinion, one after kamala harris with zero attribution to some critics that are out there in some land of fiction. why is dean phillips doing what he's doing right now? >> it's sheer ego. somebody somewhere, some donors said they would give him money to run, some consultant, in this case, steve schmidt convinced him, oh, you can do well, pay lots of money, i'll help you do it. it's sheer ego, it's sheer greed, it is a racist, unfair attack on the vice president. he has crashed and burned wherever he has gone, making one -- after another. i suppose we can say, good riddance from the congress, he's not gonna do anything in the democratic primary. it just shows you how egotistical, how easily swayed these people are when you dabble a little bit of compliments and a little bit of money in front of their noses. >> sounds like george santos. jennifer reuben, juanita tolliver, my sunday morning power political panel, thanks for being here, i appreciate it. >> coming up next, released round three, the latest on the israel-hamas war, what we're hearing from the white house about the third scheduled release of hostages slated for later today. will americans be on that list? 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