photos of mar-a-lago as you are. there is like an elaborate chandelier like wall scones in the bathroom where there is also am i to believe eight tension -- >> attention rod shower curtain holder. >> talk about hi-lo. >> that is the highest of high low. that is my favorite detail, the tension rod shower curtain next to the chandelier. >> i mean i guess -- maybe choose. >> having them in treating material -- >> 2008 and 2012 and 2020. we're not even counting 2024, yet. >> in the moment as few words as possible would probably be this one. >> an editorial in the los angeles times that in addition to his uncontrolled verbosity, biden is a gaffe machine. can you reassure voters in this country that you have the discipline that you would need on the world stage, senator? >> yes. >> thank you, senator biden >> that was joe biden during the 2008 democratic presidential primary debates. while moments like that did not win biden the democratic nomination, we later learned that the performance on stage was a real factor in why barack obama chose joe biden to be his running mate. >> by contrast, there is his opponent, donald trump. >> he is not a creature of restraint. told his interview that he thinks debating is an attitude more than it is anything else. >> a lot of people thought in the first debate with biden that you were somewhat over amped. that you just went after him too much. >> trump, that i interrupted him. >> do you agree with that? >> trump answer than after a short pause he defended the interruptions before conceding that yes there were too many. so yes, even donald trump is aware that his attitude can hurt him on the debate stage especially when he is over amped . >> let's vote now -- make sure you in fact let people know. the question is -- would you shut up, man. >> trumps attitude problems do not end with his treatment of his opponents. >> you have repeatedly, you have repeatedly -- i'm asking you -- >> i would love to -- >> if you want to switch seats we can do that -- >> donald trump is also at his worst when he is on the defensive. >> i have to see this, i have to say this. he hit my hand. are they small hands? and he referred to my hands if they are small, something else might be small and i guarantee are you -- you there is no problem. >> not that effective and just really gross. as the debates have shown us, trump is defensive about a lot of things and not just his undersized hands, but also his cozy relationship with certain autographs. >> from everything i see has no respect >> it is like watching someone pour water into a battery pack. >> at-bat of the no puppet defense was it was not nearly as shocking were not nearly as qualifying as's defense of election denial back in 2016. >> sir that you absolutely accept the result of the selection. >> i will look at it at the time. i will look at it at the time. >> are you not prepared now -- >> what i am saying is i will tell you at the time. i will keep you in suspense. >> trumps most infamous moment in any debate was when he was forced to respond to a question about his relationship with white supremacist and offered not a condemnation, but a call to arms. >> give me a name, give me a name. >> stanback and standby. >> if you are the biden campaign right now reviewing trumps worst debate moments, it is clear that there is a lot to work with. a long list of actions he is taken on behalf of everyday americans. or the historically strong american economy he is overseeing which by the way the world bank recently said is so strong that it actually bolstered the entire world economy after a global pandemic focusing on all of that, how much time should he focus on the autocrat admiring, the small hands likes to interrupt everyone all the time. >> it's pretty clear. >> joining me now, cohosts of pods save america. together with john lovett who is not here this evening, they are the authors of a new book. it is called democracy or else how to save democracy in 10 easy steps. think you for being here. >> before we get to the book, essential reading in this particular moment, i do want to talk about you know you guys are astute observers of politics. you understand strategy that goes behind the scenes. and i do wonder, as we barrel toward this debate on thursday, when you think about the sort of essential question that biden is faced with, how much to run on his own record, how much to highlight what he has done on defense, what you think the breakdown is and how do you think of it strategically, john? >> what he wants to continue to do for the next four years, another slogan if people aren't feeling the effects of the legislation that has passed it, you don't want to seem like you're talking pass people donald trump is against it. i will make a $35 for everything. >> we all agree is like a mud wrestling match as a matter of strategy, does he have to choose, can he do both? >> this is making a referendum about your accomplishments and getting defensive and sending defensive. when his mike is muted, we don't know if he's going to hogtie him. >> i think you can get out, here is why this guy is actually just fighting for his rich donors and his friends to keep himself out of prison. >> if we could go blow-by-blow. the issues that they are likely to tackle. first and foremost, trump has been talking about the border, migrant ufc fights over the weekend, immigration, and something republicans feel like they have democrats in a corner on. if you are biden and you're talking to behind the scenes of the debate, what is the strategy for talking about the broken deal that trumper ruined on the border. and also defending the policy that he just watched. >> if it comes to him, the border first, there was a bipartisan deal of congress, this guy told republicans to kill the deal because he wanted the issue to run. it's all about politics. i just made sure that families can stay together. been in this country for 10 years and the differences. he ripped families apart when he was president. >> they are concerned about disorder and chaos of the border and they just want a system that is regularized and works. the totality, he needs to make that case. >> i guess one of the things i worry about as you talk about holding together the democratic coalition is like, and this is a careful balance. acknowledging the chaos of the border but also not dehumanizing people were looking for a better tomorrow. i wonder if there's any peril in playing too much hardball in the topic of migrants coming over the border. the mac i have been spending a lot of time, we do the wilderness and focus groups of latino voters and one thing that gets conflated is immigration, a lot of people see the border as separate from immigration and for a lot of these voters, the border is an issue of public safety. and so, they are saying okay new arrivals. we want people to come into this country but we wanted to be orderly. we need a border. people weapon in this country for years who may be undocumented, people are much more welcoming. i think you have to separate out what's going on at the border. we are going to be tough of the border. we don't want chaos. if you have been here for years and you been working hard and you are law abiding, we want you in this country we want to give you citizenship. >> separating the two and making it a distinction even though in theory i will just point out that the people working to support the u.s. economy in 10 years could be the same people, but i digress. that is a level of nuance that this debate is not going to reach. trump is going to push this to the states as he has repeatedly when asked what his policy on abortion is. my question is, vote for democrats -- both for democrats and republicans in sweep -- swing states, is it ever going to get that in my state, how do you create a sense of urgency if you are joe biden around that question? >> you can tell the story, donald trump selection and how it led to this outcome. they are going to push for a federal abortion then. they are going to push for limits on ivf, they're talking about getting rid of contraception. there is is -- a radical space. there is a lot of people that don't view trump as someone who they think is socially conservative but, his entire party is. >> if you did not -- he makes it seem like he just doesn't care about families who are trying to exercise control over a tall many -- autonomy. >> do you want to trust the guy who last time said abortion is not on the ballot, last time we debated and then now we have abortion vans one in three women live under abortion vans, are you going to trust this guy who says he's not going to do a federal abortion ban when all of the people he wants to stuff his administration with are pushing very hard to him to take action on his own to ban birth control and abortion across the country like, i don't think people want to trust that. >> we are in a week where we are waiting for several landmark decisions from the court and i kind of wonder, traditionally the supreme court gets a certain group of the electric exercise whether it is right wing conservatives or whether it is court watching democrats to understand the dynamics. do think it carries more weight in a moment like this? we are going to have decisions tomorrow night going into this debate and i wonder if you think that is in biden's quiver. >> there is a moment where a lot of people are on this debate. a lot of people are going to happen at the court. you can make the case at the moment and sees all the opportunity to get some attention to the power of the court. the opportunity that donald trump will have to name the most right wing 32-year-old he can find, i do think it's an important case. >> the nefarious questionable activities of people like sam and clarence thomas, certainly the partisan makeup of the bench is fair game if you're talking about what happens in the next four years. the economy, this is the most tricky one for biden. >> finish the job. >> i, i think the thing that is frustrating to democrats and progressives is the amount of economic populism that biden has put into action, whether it is taking large corporations, taking on live nation. being the first president to walk the picket line. i do wonder whether he is going to really be able to talk about any of that tonight because so much of his posture already feels like it's on the back but with trump and the inflection -- inflation. >> people were dealing with high cost before the pandemic, people were dealing with high cost for decades. healthcare is too expensive. i'm working every single day to bring those costs down, we have some down but we need to do a lot more. last time donald trump was in this office he gave a corporate tax cut to people. he wants to do another one. to be think that's going to be the best move for the middle class in this country? >> that must be so frustrating for a president. >> stop talking about bridges, biden spending too much time praising bridges that are being built instead of connecting voters. i'm sure he's telling him that right now. >> barack obama and the first answer of the debate against mitt romney when he lost the debate, instead of hitting mitt romney on his tax plan which the moderator set him up to do he started talking about his achievements on race to the top and education. >> that's what he's been spending his time on and that matters. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. >> first of all, that was shutdown the age speculation. i do wonder how you think you should broach it and whether you should go on about it first. i think for biden -- biden is going to be more how he looks, his energy, how he sounds, whether he is punchy, whether he finishes his thoughts. they're going to get up and energized. >> don't leave, i want to hear more about things like that after our break. we have a lot to talk about including your new buksa stick with me, it's out now, the book is called democracy or else. how to save america and bake a brownie in 10 easy steps. more coming up. before that, we will have the latest on some key primary, standing by at the big board we are going to talk about the races tonight that have significant consequences for the democratic party. that is right after the break. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with all the money i saved i thought i'd buy stilts. being so tall definitely has its advantages. oh whoa. here you go, kiddo. thanks. hi honey ready to go? 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>> a lot of returns to george latimer with about a 13 point advantage over jamaal bowman. we have a big batch in there and it comes down to just a touch under 10 points. about 9 1/2. okay what just happened as i came on the air, we got a bigger chunk of the county portion of this district. the district is split between a small share in the bronx and then the vast majority of the district is north in westchester county the suburbs of new york city so the bronx portion you can now see about three quarters of the expected vote is in. we knew this big quarter base within the district. when he ran in 2022 got several primary challengers is -- the last time around. you got 91% of the bronx portion. is running at about 83 1/2 right now. when you get a big batch and from the bronx portion of the district is going to boost the numbers districtwide but when you look within, 83.6 is probably not where he wants to be. we have 91% here. yet the primary challengers in 2022 he did not get much more than 50% districtwide in 2022. he wants to be very close to that 91 in the bronx. a lot of the vote now from the bronx county portion of the district. let's flip it north to westchester. probably 90% of the vote is going to come from this part of the district there are far more votes here and there's far less share of the vote, the expected vote is in in westchester county and you can see the trend it's been established here. just over a third of the vote now in with a 30 point advantage over bowman in westchester county. put this in some perspective in the 2022 primary when bowman won and got just over 50% districtwide, what did he get in westchester county in the 22 primary? he got 52% of the vote. tonight he is running at 35 and we are starting to look at some of the town by town results in westchester. you are seeing some significant drop-offs from where he was in 2022. you can see the dynamic here. before all of the controversies of the last year or so. 2022 was kind of a warning sign. he barely got a majority in westchester county which is the vast majority of his district. he couldn't afford coming into 2024 to get much of those levels. we are seeing again pretty significant slippage. motorboats to come in. it would take a pretty big change here. he would have to really dramatically tighten this there is just no indication here. we have an early vote from every city and town and it's pretty consistent. we can update again and look at the districtwide totals. there it is. he had just gotten that batch of the bronx and it brought him under 10 we just got another batch. the lead now basically back to 10 and a lot more to come out of westchester then to come out of the bronx. if you are the bowman campaign, these so far not the numbers you were looking for and one other quick note just to tell you there was a big primary folks getting lots of attention on the republican side out in colorado just a minute ago nbc characterized this race and declared that lauren bogert who moved from the third congressional district in colorado where she had a very big scare in 2022 to the fourth congressional district in the eastern side of the state opening the seat here, she has won that republican primary. colorado is a state that is basically all mail and voting. 80% of the vote counted. is an emphatic victory for lauren bogert. his opponents did not unite behind a single alternative, 44% of the vote amounted to a landslide peer to >> she won the election by 546 votes which might be why she moved to the fourth district. i think national democrat, there is a lot of debate inside the democratic caucus about the position to take on israel and the westchester divide on the issue is significant and there is a lot of question about how democrats calibrate their message. the coal mine given how vocal he has been in his criticism of israel and criticism of the war in gaza. >> the district did change just a little between the 2022 primary and tonight, they had one of these complicate illegal issues. the change occurred in the bronx portion of the district. that is as much as i can zoom in . >> we actually have a map. the black line represents the current district which has a greater share. the red line represents the district in 2020 which had a greater share of the bronx >> in 2022 the last time he ran that northern part was already in the district so from 2022 to tonight there is one change. the wakefield section of the bronx. it previously was in the district that was taken out and it was replaced with this part of the bronx.