jury, and there may be accuser with abuse allegations dating back to the '70s. and late today, another report surfaced. it concerned sandusky's former charity, second mile. the one he founded and allegedly employed to recruit victims while projecting a saintly image to the community. second mile's chief executive, david woodall, telling both "the new york times" and the local "patriot-news" that the organization could end up folding. that's one of these options that he laid out, that in his words, in the end, nothing of the second mile exists. second mile faces a potential civil liberty nightmare if the allegations against sandusky are true and second mile turned a blind eye. they're launching an internal investigation, but keeping them honest has been less than forthcoming about the public so far about what they knew and when they knew it. in 2002, when graduate assistant mike mcqueary says he saw sandusky raping a boy on campus, he told joe paterno and later the athletic director, tim curley. curley told the grand jury that he notified the group, second mile, yet second mile did not sandusky contact with kids until 2008, six years. no contact on that today from second mile, nor was there any comment on a report in "the new york times" that several years of the organization records were missing and possibly stolen. unnamed investigators telling "the times" that the missing files may make it tough to determine whether sandusky used charity money to recruit, to groom, or travel with possible victims. no comment either on a separate report. nbc news citing a senior law enforcement source saying the fbi may be looking to open its own investigation into whether sandusky broke federal law, whether he transported a minor across state lines to commit child abuse. one boy identified in the grand jury report is victim number four says repeatedly abused him, including at how far bowl games. and then there's ray ricker, who investigated alleged victim six's allegations back in 1998 and decided not to prosecute. it turns out, there is no paperwork or decision memo laying out the reasons why he declined to prosecute. in fact, we've learned the d.a.'s office has no files on the case whatsoever and possibly never kept any files. we'll ask our legal panel about all that. as for the decision memo, an assistant d.a. tells us he searched for one to comply with pennsylvania right to know laws, but found nothing. ricker, you'll remember, vanished six years ago. he was later declared legally dead. but at least the d.a.'s office has to comply with public record laws. penn state, they don't. the university has made none of its records available to the media. none of them. tonight, reaction to the ncaa investigation. school officials put out a statement. "penn state intercollegiate athletics intends to fully cooperate with the ncaa during its inquiry and understands this is a preliminary step towards understanding what happened as well as how to prevent anything similar from happening in the future." a lot to talk about. starting on the ground in state college with cnn contributor sarah ganim. she's been breaking news almost daily on the story for her paper, "the patriot-news." sarah, thanks for being with us. you spoke to lawyers who say there are new victims coming forward. >> reporter: yeah. i spoke to two lawyers who have said that since jerry sandusky's nbc interview in prime-time on monday, they've had several calls from potential new victims who say they're coming out and speaking about this abuse for the very first time to these lawyers, because of what jerry sandusky said. they felt compelled to come forward, triggered specifically by that interview. now, it's not clear how many there are, and it's not clear how many of these are going to go to police and give a statement, or go to a grand jury and testify. some of them date back not 1970s. so in some cases, the statute of limitations might have run out. it's not clear the range of abuse from those victims. however, we are seeing a lot of reports of more people coming forward. >> the second mile, is it likely they're going to close? >> reporter: well, you know, the ceo told us today that it's one of three options. they're hoping it's not what they have to do, but right now they're taking some time to talk to donors, to talk to the schools that help them with their programs, that facilitate those programs to see what they think they can do. what going forward is the best option. i think that there's three options here. they can continue on as the second mile. they could continue on doing the things the second mile did under a different name, or they might have to shut down. >> the news today that paterno has lung cancer, was this information out there under the radar, or is this, in fact, new information? >> reporter: well, specifically lung cancer, yes, that's new information. i think it's surprising to a lot of students on campus. however, joe paterno is 84 years old. he's been the subject of speculation and health rumors for a long time, because of his age. and because last season, he had kind of a intestinal kind of illness and he also had some bumps with players during practice that left him with health problems. so people like to talk about joe paterno's health, but this is one of the first really serious allegation -- it's not an allegation, but serious assertions of a health problem. >> where did this story surface? is this something that his family released or the university released? how did people learn of this? do you know? >> reporter: his son released it today and asked really that people respect his privacy, because he'll have to go through some treatment. >> let's bring in jeffrey toobin and mark geragos. these missing documents -- it's just weird, first of all, this d.a. who's dead, that's a whole other bizarre story. but these missing documents from second mile and these d.a. files that don't exist. what you make of it? >> i draw a distinction between the two. it's very serious if second mile's documents don't exist. it's an ongoing organization, they're required to keep records. if they were gone just because they were chaotic, that's one thing, but if someone actually got rid of them, that's potentially another crime in and of itself. i'm less impressed or -- i think it's less significant that there is no record of a closed investigation. when i was a prosecutor, when we closed an investigation, we didn't necessarily do a memo about it. i mean, the records were kept somewhere, if we subpoenaed records, but there is no a formal process for closing records -- you know, closing an investigation. particularly in a small d.a.'s office. >> the second mile records would be important because it would have sandusky's expense reports, travel over state lines or not. >> one of the issues that i think's really important here. do you know how many different investigations are going on now? you have the attorney general, that's the one -- she's brought the charges. you have this federal department investigation. you have an internal penn state investigation. you now potentially have the fbi. they're all going to want to interview the same witnesses. they are going to have to straighten out who does what, or it's all going to get messed up. this happens a lot in big cases. >> mark, is this just piling on? i mean -- >> well, it is miling -- >> -- organizations wanting to get in on this? >> right. anytime you have this kind of attention and media scrutiny, you're always going to have everybody drawn like it to prosecutorial moths to a flame. and jeff has hit it right on the head here. the problem is, if you start interviewing these people, and if you start getting successive stories, and like you've seen with mcqueary, you've already had an evolution of the story, you start having witnesses tell different stories, it's a prosecutorial nightmare. >> mcqueary in particular. he already has sent that e-mail -- >> there's only so many times you can interview somebody. >> it's also painful, particularly given the accusations here. but even if you were telling the truth, if you are asked five times to recount the same event, you're going to do it slightly different each time. you will then be cross-examined about, why did you say this to this person. why did you say this to this person? remember, mcqueary he sent that e-mail out to his friends saying he did report the rape to the police, whereas the grand jury report says he didn't. there's already two story outs there. the more people tell the stories, the more different investigations, the harder it will be. >> i guess mcqueary could be claiming, and again, i don't know what he was meaning in this e-mail, but he could be claiming that one of the guys he talk to oversaw the campus police, and maybe in his mind, that was -- >> that's -- potentially. but the problem is, the statements are now out there and he's going to have to explain it. if you only have one person you're talking to, the odds of conflicting stories are much less. >> so, mark, how do multiple different agencies work that out? >> at some point, somebody's going to just bigfoot it and say, this is our investigation, this is our prosecution. my guess is it's going to be the attorney general. and they're going to say to everybody else, you've got to step aside. that's why to some degree this ncaa investigation, i understand that they want to act like they're doing something, but it's actually quite silly. in this sense. what is the ncaa going to do at this point until all of these facts are out? until we've had some kind of a hearing? until there's cross-examine in this case. i don't understand what the ncaa thinks they're doing. it's utterly ridiculous. going back to jeff's previous point about the lack of a prosecutorial memo, in state court and in most d.a.'s office, they do have what's called a reject. i don't know if pennsylvania and specifically this d.a.'s office does, but here in l.a., virtually every case where the d.a. gets a case for felony filing, they've got to fill out a form, they've got to say exactly why they did it, and that's one of the things that goes into the file and it follows that file around. so to some degree, that could be a problem later on for the prosecutors as well. i don't understand why they wouldn't have anything, especially when you're talking about a case that's so emotionally charged, number one, and so potentially high profile. >> well, just good luck finding anything 13 years later. >> right. >> you're just dealing -- just the nature of what it's like. i mean, i was in the u.s. attorney's office, we had slightly different policies. but, i mean, going back to find old records, in any business, is difficult. but particularly you're dealing with small offices. i mean, it's just really hard to reconstruct this stuff. >> does the announcement of joe paterno's lung cancer, does that affect anything? >> yeah, i think it -- i think it's very significant. because, you know, i mean, i hope he recovers, but lung cancer in an 84-year-old is a very serious thing. >> i mean, he's not facing any other part of this investigation, is he? >> well, at a minimum, he's a witness. people may want to talk to him. he may not be in a position to talk to people. so -- i'm sorry, go ahead, mark. >> i was just going to say, my experience is, when you have somebody who's led a life like he has, and now all of a sudden everything comes crashing down around you, i've had the experience countless times where this is the worst thing that could happen to somebody, and you just -- your prayers go out to the family, because this is not something when you've got a mental state that is torn apart to begin with, in the last 11 days, and then you compound it with the health issues. and to some degree, there's been that story that's been floating around about the transfer of the house for $1. was that done because of a health issue as opposed to shielding assets? it gives a lot more import, i think, and hopefully, perspective to some of this. >> mark geragos, thanks for being on, jeff toobin as well. let us know what you're going on, we're on facebook, or on twitter. up next, another athletic program, another sex abuse allegation, another coach under a cloud. there are differences, though. we're talking about what's happening, allegations now have been made at syracuse university. the differences between the way penn state handled and it the way syracuse is handling it. we'll talk about that ahead. we'll show you how the cases are different. we've got the latest from syracuse and talk to dr. drew pinsky. also tonight, congress promising to cut the budget deficit. they voted for tough penalty ifs they failed. now they're failing and looking for ways the to squirm out of the penalties. and decades after natalie wood died at sea under mysterious circumstances, a really bizarre, shocking development. at the time, it was ruled an accident. today, that conclusion is being revisited and the investigation reopened. the late details on that. ♪ a refrigerator has never been hacked. an online virus has never attacked a corkboard. ♪ give your customers the added feeling of security a printed statement or receipt provides... ...with mail. it's good for your business. ♪ and even better for your customers. ♪ for safe and secure ways to stay connected, visit usps.com/mail that is better than today. since 1894, ameriprise financial has been working hard for their clients' futures. never taking a bailout. helping generations achieve dreams. buy homes. put their kids through college. retire how they want to. ameriprise. the strength of america's largest financial planning company. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you, one-to-one. together, for your future. ♪ towhen it comes to preparing for your financial future, it helps to have a team that performs well together. pacific life offers life insurance, annuities for lifetime income, mutual funds and retirement solutions. ask a financial professional about how pacific life's more than 140 years of experience can bring strength to your team. pacific life - the power to help you succeed. another college sport powerhouse is in the spotlight tonight. new york's syracuse university. basketball associate head coach bernie fine is on administrative leave as authorities investigate claims of child molestation dating back to the 1980s. two former ball boys claim that fine touched them inappropriately. both are speaking out on espn. >> honestly, i don't even remember if i thought that that was what was supposed to happen, you know? i know i cringed up and didn't want it to happen, and i was very, like, what's going on? it was just -- i just remember being disgusted in a sense, you know. but that's when everything -- you know, when he started trying to touch me. my private. >> i can't -- probably 15, 20 times. when you tell him that -- you know, first he just -- when he first did it, you would move away and you wouldn't say anything, because, you know, you didn't feel like you were capable of saying anything, you know? he's a god to you. you know? >> a 2005 investigation by the university found no evidence of wrongdoing. fine denies the allegations. for the very latest let's bring in ed lavandera in syracuse. ed? >> reporter: hi, anderson. well, late this afternoon bernie fine put out a statement through his attorney. in that statement he patently denied and called these allegations false. he said he looks forward to defending himself against these allegations. he also went on to say that sadly we live in an allegation-based society and an internet age where in a matter of minutes, one's lifelong reputation can be severely damaged. i am confident that, as in the past a review of these allegations will be discredited and restore my reputation. i hope the latest review of these allegations will be conducted expeditiously." what he's referring to there, and as you mentioned, anderson, back in 2005, syracuse police investigated this. according to the accusers and the university here, charges weren't brought because it was past the statute of limitations. but also, the university says they had hired a law firm to investigate these allegations as well, interviewed four people that were connected to this, that were brought forth as witnesses by the accusers, and that none of those people could corroborate the evidence against the assistant coach here at syracuse. of course, all of this intense scrutiny going on in the wake of the penn state scandal as well. we want to hear a little bit more from one of those accusers who talked to espn last night. >> if i -- you know, for a short time, he would just put his hand -- first, he'd start rubbing my leg. you know, he was sitting next to my, rubbing my leg, and then just gradually put his hand down my pants and tried to grab my penis. and if i resisted, which i did all the time, he would get more aggressive. and grab it. and you know, say just relax, just relax. and if i didn't, he'd yank it and try to pull it, you know. relax, relax. he'd keep saying that. >> so these are the same two guys who are making the allegations now who made the allegations back in 2005, that the police didn't investigate because the statute of limitations had expired, and the university says they hired outside counsel and had a four-month investigation and could not corroborate anything that was said, using the witnesses that these two men suggested, correct? so it's not new allegations. it's basically just an old allegation? >> reporter: exactly. but the syracuse police -- now, the city of syracuse police saying that they have reopened this investigation, that forced the university here to put the coach on administrative leave. we've been trying to get in touch with the police department to figure out what caused them to reopen this investigation and bring it up again. we haven't been able to get any answers from the police department. >> it could very well be publicity over what's happening at penn state and not wanting to appear as if they're brushing it away. syracuse head coach jim boeheim, what is he saying about the allegations? >> reporter: you know, anderson, this is the real interesting part here. as one student put it to us today, jim boeheim is to syracuse what joe paterno is to penn state down in pennsylvania. this is a man who has coached in this community for more than three decades. he is highly respected. his voice and his opinion carries a lot of weight around here. and jim boeheim has come out in strong defense of his assistant coach, saying he has the full support of his assistant coach, believes these charges are false and, in fact, in that espn interview, basically said that these two accusers were lying. interestingly enough, syracuse basketball team was practicing here tonight. we didn't hear anything from the coach. but they are playing a game tomorrow afternoon. and in the media gathering after the game, we expect to hear from boeheim at that time. >> ed, i appreciate the reporting. thank you. whether or not any or all or none of the allegations between mr. fine and jerry sandusky are true, people everywhere now are talking once again about child sex abuse. just during the height of the priest sex abuse scandals, people wanting to know more about how abusers operate. all too frequently, how powerful institutions try to protect themselves. i talked about it earlier tonight with dr. drew pinsky, host of hln's "dr. drew," and pete hammel who covers sports for "the new york times." pete, you graduated from syracuse. you worked for the local newspaper. did you hear any whispers of accusations against bernie fine? >> anderson, the only thing i knew and it was after i left my job at the "post standard," i knew that espn and the "post standard" had looked into these allegations in