she's here tonight. also do prosecutors have a case against george zimmerman? i'll ask the man who represented dominique strauss-kahn. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. our big story tonight, the raging campaign controversy over osama bin laden. the al qaeda leader has been dead for a year, but the obama campaign the waging it all over again. this is what challenger mitt romney said today. >> even jimmy carter would have given that order. >> i said we'd go after bin laden if i got a clear shot at him, and i did. if there are others who have said one thing and now suggest they'd do something else, then i'd go ahead and let them explain. >> is this really an outrage or politics as usual? i'll go one on one with goldberg. and my interview with benjamin brafman who represented dominique strauss-kahn as well as others. >> i'm not a cardiologist. nobody's happy to see me when they first come there. unlike people who are sick, they have a support system in place. people rally for their support. i deal with the fact that you're only looking at not only the loss of your freedom, but public humiliation, loss of a career. it's devastating. i think i've talked more people out of committing suicide than most psychiatrists in the world. >> we begin with the battle of bin laden on the onier anniversary of his dead. welcome. >> it's great to be here. >> i love the fact you use these words liberal fascists, liberal cheats. explain the premise of your book. >> it's everyone comes from ideological perspective. we talk about burke and rand. we wear ties with smith on them. meanwhile, liberals promise they're not ideological. they're pragmatists. they only want to do what works. they want to get rid of all the ideological labels and do the hard work the people of america sent them to do. that's a lie. of course liberals have an ideology. but they don't understand it. they don't question it. >> tell me this. what do you think about this row over the bin laden take? this campaign features bill clinton. it says what i would expect him to say. let's look at this. >> he had to decide. and that's what you hire a president to do. you hire the president to make the calls when no one else can do it. >> i mean, he's right, isn't he? president clinton has been there. he knows what the job entails. >> he didn't do it when he had the chance. sure. >> he's awe plauding president obama for what mattered. to take out osama bin laden. what's wrong with that? >> nothing. but that's not the controversial part of the ad. the controversial part is what would mitt romney do? it's controversial because one of the cliches we hear is foreign policy is to stop at the water's edge. the football said we shouldn't gloat about it running campaign ads gloating about it. saying the other guy isn't tough enough to do what i did. and i think that's reprehensible? >> you do. >> i have no problem about him killing osama bin laden. >> what about mccain who said shame on president obama by turning it into a cheap political attack ad. the same president who criticized hillary clinton for invoking bin laden to score points. how do you feel about the speech when he used the capture of saddam hussein? he said george bush took the fight to our enemies and away from our shores destroying the regime. president obama made the difficult decision to liberate iraq. we need a leader with experience to make the tough decisions and the resolve to stick with it. what is the difference? >> there's a big difference. the big difference in there does john mccain say anything about john kerry. >> hang on. >> it's an important point here. it was stupid of the white house to do this. instead of talking about how great president barack obama was for killing osama bin laden, we're arguing whether he should have this ad. >> you're missing the big point the reason they mention mitt romney because he went on record saying it wasn't worth all the money spent to get one die. he said that on the record. that's why they went after him. >> yeah. and the context of what he was talking about was in terms of the larger war on terror and -- >> shouldn't politicians stand by -- i mean, if mitt romney genuinely believed it wasn't spending all this money to go after one man, can he really keep a straight face when he turns around and says of course i would have done it. even jimmy carter would have done it. >> no. there's a category error. >> a what? >> a category error. >> a category error. i've never heard of that. >> it's like apples and oranges. >> tell me why i'm mixed up then. >> a i'm not exactly famous as a booster of mitt romney's. but what romney was talking about is you don't conduct a transnational war on terror as simply a man hunt. that doesn't mean if you have the opportunity to get bin laden you don't take him out. part of the problem with all this is in the larger context, i don't understand why we didn't capture osama bin laden. i give president obama credit for it. i don't think it was as -- joe biden who's not smart enough to be a soldier. -- >> you don't think he was incredible? he knows from jimmy carter you get these things wrong it can end your presidency. you will get voted out. mainly because the opposition will scream you got it wrong. you didn't know what you were doing. you disgraced and shamed america. right? step forward to barack obama. he's told we should get bin laden, it could all go wrong. we don't know 100% he's in there. and barack obama takes the decision to send in the navy s.e.a.l.s and he is perilous. they lose a helicopter. but they take out osama bin laden and america restored in that moment a vast chunk of pride. why would any republican turn around and legitimately try and criticize any aspect of that? and why shouldn't he frankly in his campaign -- i'm not batting for democrats or republicans. why shouldn't he then actually say in a campaign ad using bill clinton, this is what we did. we were right to do it. >> if you're not batting for democrats, that's a wonderful proximation of it. >> i deal with reality. i don't understand how any politician could criticize. >> i'm not criticizing. >> john mccain, when it was george bush and hussein, he praised him. >> i praise barack obama for the decision. i don't think it was as fantastic a decision as you think it was. >> tell me one other single foreign policy decision that barack obama could have taken in this term that could be bigger than taking out osama bin laden to the american people? >> for the american people? i don't know. figuring out a way to stabilize the government in pakistan. there are all sorts of decisions to make. figuring out a deal with the middle east. osama bin laden was away in a compound. it was largely cut off. you're trying to box me in -- >> what's your point? >> my point is he wasn't the day-to-day running tactical -- >> it was hugely symbolic. laden with his messages to people. >> are we really going to have -- >> yes, we are having that argument. >> i don't want to have that argument. i think it was a good decision. i support him in the decision. i thought the ad was stupid. i think the way they're -- >> why is the ad stupid? >> i tell you what i think is really offensive. >> what is it stupid? >> instead of taking getting the praise for this, he turned it into this thing against mitt romney stepping on his own presidential message. i bet you they regret it. >> he made the point that mitt romney said he wouldn't have spent the money to go after one guy and today mitt romney says of course i would have done it. even jimmy carter would have. hammering -- >> let's talk about politicizing this. forget about the ad. in barack obama's state of the union address, what he does is go out in front of the american people and says do you know what would be fantastic? the navy s.e.a.l.s, they were just doing what was best for america. wouldn't that be a great thing if all you americans were just like that? you marched in step and followed by agenda. that is the cliches i talk about in the book. >> if barack obama had been on the record two or three years ago saying -- and mitt romney was president at the time -- and said i do not believe it was worth this money going after one guy, are you telling me with a straight face again that mitt romney wouldn't of capitalized on that if he had then taken out osama bin laden? he wouldn't have reminded his number one challenger that he said he wouldn't of spent the money? >> first of all, your characterization of what mitt romney said is off. >> no, it's not. >> of course it is. >> no, it's not. >> he was talking about the war on terror and fighting one man. he wasn't spending all of this money. that's not what obama did getting osama bin laden. it was a cheap operation. >> cheap? >> are wre going to do this debating? >> yes. i'm curious. >> i would put it at -- $50 million. >> that's cheap in the republican world? >> that's cheap in comparison to what the cost of the war on terror is. >> no wonder the country got into the mess it did. >> i suppose that's supposed to be a telling point. i'm not sure how it is. >> the republican administration led to a financial collapse. you wouldn't dispute that. >> i would and i would say president barack obama has spent much, much, much, much more money than the republicans. >> would you dispute that after eight years of republican administration they country didn't go into financial collapse? >> no. >> the ideology $50 million is cheap is part of the problem here. >> i think the debate of standing on a soap box and waxing about how much this operation costs is cheap. >> you're criticizing the cliched ideology of the liberals here and i'm playing devil's advocate. when it comes to cheap ideology, chucking out statements like $50 million is cheap -- >> i didn't chuck it out. you begged me for an answer. >> that's good journalism, isn't it? isn't that the point of an interviewers? >> you're cross examining me. you're not interviewing. >> what do you think the whole debate is obama's too cool? you can't be on entertainment shows doing the slow jam on jimmy fallon, this is the wrong thing. are we to believe that mitt romney wouldn't do stuff like this occasionally? >> i don't think he'd be on "rolling stone" because i think it would burst into flames. >> is it legitimate -- >> i don't think that's quite it. i think he has every right to do it. i don't know if anybody who says he can't do it. at the same time i do think some of that act is wearing thin. you can only be cool so long in american life. >> i watched the correspondents' dinner. he had a charm delivery. great comic timing. everybody was laughing. he got more laughs than jimmy kimmel did. you can't dispute the guy is quite cool. why would americans not like to have a cool president? doesn't it resonate well around the world a guy that can sing like al green and crack jokes like the best comedians. isn't this good for america? >> i think all in all it's better to have a cool president than a not cool president. but if the choice is a cool president or a 8% unemployment and a country in the wrong direction and structural unemployment for young people at 50%, i'd rather have a dorky president who fixed those problems. >> is mitt romney a dork? >> he's a stiff. sure. >> what's the difference? >> the differences are small. i think -- >> is there a difference between a stiff and a dork? >> i would think there probably is. >> could you enunciate? >> i would say the latter is more of a geeky nerd sort of type. mitt romney is not that. >> could you be a stiff and a dork? >> absolutely. >> it's been a pleasure. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. coming up next, more on the big story of the woman at the white house correspondents' dinner. a party? 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