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home and at his own high school when he was also interrupted once by a wrestling coach. and also belonged to the second mile. we expect this to be dramatic testimony just as it was yesterday when we heard from alleged victim number four, who took the stand to talk about being assaulted, raped and fondled allegedly by sandusky over many years. he's now 28 years old. they played shower games, for example, in which sandusky got soap all over him and then assaulted him. we also -- he faced some tough cross-examination and at one point asked by sandusky's lawyer, why didn't you stop this? he said, i was afraid. besides, i was getting gifts. then he turned the question around and said, i wish i had, perhaps i could have saved other children. back to you, christine. >> susan, a very dramatic first day in the courtroom. we know you'll be there all day today too. thank you, sue an. i'll talk to a former child abuse and sex crimes prosecutor, wendy murphy, about what's next in the sandusky trial after that very dramatic day in court yesterday. let's get to zoraida sambolin. >> monster wild fires still burning completely out of control. this is in colorado. the high park fire near fort collins, colorado, is blamed for one death. it has exploded insize, scorching 64 square miles since the weekend. thousands had to evacuate their homes and the fire destroyed at least 100 buildings. the justice department moving ahead with plans to sue the state of florida in an effort to stop the purging of voter rolls. rick stot wants all noneligible residents barred from voting. the state argues the florida program fails to follow proper legal standards. governor scott says up to 100,000 names need to be purged from its states rolls and now plans to sue the department of homeland security for access to federal citizenship database. we'll ask the governor about that and the timing of all of this when he joins us live at 8:00 a.m. eastern. it's still not clear why police in alabama left a home in montgomery where the auburn triple murder suspect was believed to be hiding. s.w.a.t. teams surrounded the house since yesterday. desmonte leonard has been the target of an all out manhunt since the shootings over the weekend. he is accused of killing three people, two of them former auburn football players. new this morning, the white house announcing john bryson is taking medical leave as he's being investigated for a possible felony hit-and-run. police say bryson hit two cars in southern california saturday and they found him unconscious behind the wheel. white house officials say bryson suffered a seizure but it is not clear when that actually happened. a u.s. navy crashing into a marsh near salisbury, maryland. the unmanned aircraft was still in development worth $176 million and able to fly without refueling for $30 with altitudes as high as 11 miles. no one was hurt there. los angeles is title town this morning but not the lakers or the dodgers doing the celebrating. it is the l.a. kings. the kings won their first ever stanley cup eliminating the new jersey devils in six games, finishing them out with a 6-1 rout. paul is live in los angeles where it has been a celebration 45 years in the making. >> reporter: that's exactly right, zoraida. the kings overshadowed by the lakers in their own building then they have the anaheim ducks join the league in the 90s and even the ducks won a cup. so the kings waited a long time for this. finally after 45 years, it came tonight. it's a multigenerational thing. we ran into one young fan on the street with his dad and rather poignant sign. let's listen. >> it's been so long to have three games to nine and lose the other day and back to new jersey and they lost. you feel like you waited a lifetime literally for it to happen. i'm so happy and my son is spoiled because he's 1 for 1. >> reporter: memory of a lifetime, i'm sure the little kid won't remember it but dad will show him the pictures, maybe even that clip. what a night for kings fans. they are celebrating and rather civilly, no major incidents. some of them have hoarse throats and make they can douse that with krem brulee or champagne. >> i'm sure soon they are going to be shouting repeat. >> reporter: i'm sure they will. >> back to you. >> sounds like sports fans screaming all night for los angeles. >> i was. i was. >> have a cup of tea. jerry sandusky's child sex abuse trial gets under way in two hours. this time he'll face victim number one. wendy murphy, a former sex crimes prosecutor, worked on several cases for privacy ratigs for victims of abuse and she's following this case. >> good morning. >> usually the first day there's preliminaries and opening statements and talking about the mechanics of a case and suddenly, that was a very dramatic day of testimony yesterday. victim number four, the first witness, with some shocking revelations, this isn't touching or horse play, this goes beyond to many, many allegations here of very serious crimes against a child. what is the jury thinking going into the second day after a day like yesterday? >> yeah, you know, most jurors have no experience with this kind of behavior. so often there's a feeling of shock, which interestingly enough can sometimes benefit the defense. if a jury just can't get its head around the idea, that a man a seemingly masculine guy is capable of this sort of thing, that can push jurors against willingness to believe these kinds of allegations simply because it's too disgusting and shocking. the problem for the defense is that once the second and third and fourth and all the way up to eight different victims testify that the same kind of behavior happened, then i think it becomes impossible for a jury not to believe, assuming their credible, assuming they are credible. >> let's talk about victim number four, alleging some 50 times sexual assault, 50 different times, abuse lasting for years, wendy. he didn't immediately break contact. he was a child. he didn't immediately break contact and didn't contact or report the abuse and later even introduced his fiance and young child to jerry sandusky. how will that play with the jury? >> again, it's one of these facts that jurors with no exposure to this kind of behavior think that's weird. if that happened to me, i wouldn't be friends with the guy. that's a problem for these kinds of cases. on the other hand, you can bet that once they hear many victims say something similar, which is that i had mixed feelings. i was disgusted and terrified and i was a child. on the other hand, this is a guy who was so kind to me in other ways, i was confused. i didn't know what to do. i didn't feel i had the power and frankly in some ways kids think of this kind of attention as a good thing as confusing as that may sound. if it feels like a good relationship, 90% of the time, kids learn to put up and cope with the bad stuff. jurors are going to hear that kind of thing over and over again. and i think it will start to make more sense to them, even if they've never heard of this kind of behavior before. >> let's talk about the defense attorney joe amendola, he suggested that sandusky, might take the stand himself. we've heard from sandusky before in the public. reporters. he's talked a couple of times on camera, on the phone to a radio show. what's the actual likelihood of hearing from sandusky and how does it help his case? >> make no mistake, that man will never get on the stand. >> really? >> never. never. and i think what amendola was suggesting by implying to the jury that he would, was that you're going to hear those televised media interviews and i think he will play those. he wants the jury to hear from him in some way that makes him look sympathetic. he can't take the stand. the cross-examination would be brutal, it would destroy the defense to the extent there is one. i think this is a nondefendable case frankly because of how many victims there are. once you have this many victims, defense attorneys usually try to make a deal. i think the prosecution didn't offer a deal which is why this case has gone to trial. sandusky will never take the stand. those media interviews will very much play a central role, see what a nice guy he is, absolutely. >> the defense also suggested he may suffer from histrionic personality disorder and the national institutes of health defines this in which people act in a dramatic way to draw attention to themselves. what is this little -- histrionic personality -- they are saying the victims are highing but then they are also saying there's this other thing over here about the personality, the way enginejerry sandusky be >> you can hire an expert to say virtually anything about somebody's mental health problems. i think what's funny about this, it's typically a condition attached to women. why the defense thinks this is going to make any points for them, i'm not sure. i think why it's there, those letters. remember, yesterday there was vivid testimony corroborated to some extent by seeming love letters, really strange odd, creepy letters. the defense has to say to the jury, here's why a guy would write that kind of thing. now that you see he has a mental health disorder, that's why he was writing those letters. it's not the real jerry sandusky, it's sandusky with a mental health disorder. i don't think it's going to discount the jury's feelings about the grotesque nature of these charges. i think they are going to think defense found somebody they could pay to testify that the guy was a little fruit loop. >> nice to hear from you this morning and i'm sure we'll talk to you soon as this very odd and twisted case goes on. thanks so much, wendy murphy. >> you're welcome. a group of american nuns scalded by the catholic church taking it to the vatican. the church's looming moves to the nuns is a hostile takeover. profanity will have you shelling out cash. don't miss, florida governor rick scott, and jesse 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[ yawning sound ] our cloud is made of bedrock. concrete. and steel. our cloud is the smartest brains combating the latest security threats. it spans oceans, stretches continents. and is scalable as far as the mind can see. our cloud is the cloud other clouds look up to. welcome to the uppernet. catholic nuns are going straight to the top today. members from the leadership conference of women religious will meet with vatican officials. a report from a church watch dog accuses the group which represents about 80% of catholic nuns of radical feminism and says they are too silent on issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. the nuns say officials are focusing on what they don't do instead of good they reform. sist welcome to the program this morning, sister. >> thank, christine, it's good to be here. >> are you a feminist or radical feminist and why exactly is this such a big bone of contention with rome? >> well, radical feminist is in the eye of the beholder, i think. i certainly many a feminist and proudly so, it means a belief in the fundamental equal of women and men. and the vatican confirms this when they say every time of discrimination based on sex is to be overcome as contrary to god's intent and that was the example of jesus in the gospels. i'm not quite sure what they mean when they say radical feminism. >> tell me a little bit about what you're hoping to achieve and what your group is hoping to achieve when you talk to the vatican and move forward here. clearly there is a very big difference of opinion between the nuns in the u.s., your group and rome. >> well, that's true. i want to hasten to add, i'm not a member of the leadership conference. and those are the women, the president and executive director who are meeting with various officials at the vatican today. however, every nun in the united states is attune to what's going on there. i think they are concerned that the assessment they received, which was sprung on them unexpectedly, once they've had a chance now to examine what's in it, they believe there are unsubstantiated allegations and no transparency in the process by which it was developed. and we nuns are used to now since the second vatican council, open and collaborative processes in our communities. and furthermore, they believe, as i think many people do, that it has caused grave scandal in the american church. witness the great support that we have received from the layty across the country. >> women can't be priests. if you follow church teaching can't use contraception and women -- i guess in the catholic church, you walk in and mary is in full view and is pray to mary but women in the church when you look at the teachings, there's a war on woman in your church and add what's happening with nuns in the u.s., it's a good question. >> it's a fundamental question that a lot of people ask. it's certainly try that at the institutional level, women are not treated as equals in the church. they need to be. even to follow the very teachings which i just quoted which the bishops of the world spoke back in early 1960s. and i think that's a deep concern for many of us. you know, another concern is that these teachings and practices that you've cited can change. it's a myth to think that the teachings of the church never change. and when people push for changes, or look at things with new theo logical insights, that's how the evolution of teaching and the development of teaching takes place in the church. >> sisters evolving faster than rome is, is that what the issue is. >> i dare say sisters have been evolving considerably faster than rome, yes. >> what about the american catholic church compared with rome? is this a sign of a catholic church that is much -- evolving faster than rome too? >> i think that's probably true, yes. unfortunately, i think that the officials at the vatican seem entrenched in what i would call a prevatican model of church, which is noncollaborative and so forth. and i think the american church by and large has embraced the teachings of the second vatican council, which puts emphasis -- which we do as nuns, on social justice, on the needs of the poor, on relieving the plight of the o pressed or helping victims of violence around the world. those are the kinds of concerns we bring to this church. and i've run into la ity and this makes me said, who have said to me after they heard about this vatican action against nuns, they said, you know, sister, how can i go to church next sunday? this really makes me sad. and it makes me sad too to hear them say that. >> sister marie fielder, so nice to have you on the program, we'll talk to you again soon. host of interfaith voices. thank you, have a nice day. ahead, a disturbing video, a stepfather caught on tape beating his son with a belt. the defense, the kid has severe behavioral problems. his attorney is going to join us live. plus, swearing in public could hit you where it hurts yurks wallet. how one town is facing obsessive profanty. margaret's playlist, dr. dre. good morning. >> good morning, how are you? 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