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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes November 5, 2021

0 had a bad in court. plus, the predictable freak out as the biden administration finally releases vaccine guidelines inside the company, as the world on climate for scotland. a major solution may already exist in a metal box in iceland. when all in starts right now. i good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, on the night of the virginia gubernatorial election. votes are coming in, the field former president the united states leaves a statement, quote, all eyes on -- by the delay, trump was talking about fairfax county of course the most popular county in the state of virginia. we know, what he was doing. it's been five years driving conspiracy theories about voter fraud and there have been very real consequences that play out day by day by the sham on it in arizona, that was totally bogus and hilariously found joe biden actually won more votes than allegedly believed. to the current republican scheme to collect every voter in the state personal information, to order some proof -- there are ways in which trump was actively undermining the democracy calling state and local election officials pressuring them to find the. votes to overturn the election results, or endorsing candidates for secretary of state. in key swing states, to support his true claims of the stolen election. all in which this is to say, we know what donald trump means when he sent out one of his non tweet statements on election night saying, all eyes are on the heavily democratic county. municipalities have been setting the groundwork for days. in fact the day before the election, trump said, quote, we must win bigger than the margin of fraud by flooding the polls with both the believe in american first. the sentiment, former speaker of the cambridge, fox news. >> reporter: what if it's really tight? >> [inaudible] >> you can't afford to have a really tight election. you have to win by a big enough margin so that you can't steal. >> this is casual. -- it didn't stop there during the youngkin, rally in virginia. country singer john rich reportedly said, quote, why the hell is d.c. eric firms in virginia, what is, that what is she doing up here? we know what she's doing up here, she's working on. it do you really think california voters for gavin newsom again? i don't think. so stacey abrams was probably out there too. so, there was a lot of supposed concern in trump world about quote stealing the election leading up to it and then nothing. none of the alleged fraud ever materialized, because of course republican glenn youngkin won the race. and according to trump's allies, the election, there is only illegitimate, when democrats went, up it is that heads on, win tails you lose theory of american politics. and there's this interesting angle in virginia, which is a state that has a 45-day window of early voting including no excuse effort by mail. a policy which, if you remember, since the 2020 election, was kind of a problem according to many republicans. in, fact one republican senator tried to overturn the results of our free and fair election to put the loser in over the winter, against the will of the american people, he specifically, sided, mail-in ballots in the state of pennsylvania, and the reason. of course, holly is not concerned about that. now because he won. yes, obviously it's a good thing that republicans are not making bogus claims on election fraud but it is worth taking a moment to just think about what would've happened if the democrat, terry mcauliffe said, he got a win. by a few thousand votes. trump and his allies were transparently -- claiming that the election was wig, and if they want to quote the election they would be with their supporters in a frenzy right now is back to you. with protests outside of the election headquarters, like we saw for the 2020 election. maybe trump would even attempt to pressure republican glenn youngkin to resign in fact we are seeing something like this play on a much smaller scale in new jersey. where the democrat phil murphy did barely defeat his republican challenger in an election that was much closer than anyone ever predicted, was including acting land homeland security an attorney ken cuccinelli, are pushing these very trump conspiracies about the votes in new jersey. now we are not seeing the full trump effort to overturn the will of voters as i expect because new jersey is a very blue state, republicans did not expect to win, that there wasn't the sense of, oh it was stolen, it was so revved up about, it and he won anyway. but they're still very much an effort by him to claim the election was rigged. which they respectively do every time a republican loses. and again, it would be easy to dismiss it as the whining and controlling of losers or paranoid delusional people, but. the problem is it comes from trump all the way down to create the unsustainable equilibrium that we have in our politics. when democrats lose, they acknowledge defeat, everyone was, on when republicans, lose the democrats cheated, the election was stolen, iron tire democratic politics isn't legitimate. and there is of, course ever since january six, always a specter of a violent mass move in for a full ledge insurrection to overturn the results. just because a republican candidate lost. and that is part of a broader problem which is the conservative problem of the hole, essentially getting radicalized in its face against the very pillars of representative democracy. one of those pillars, until relatively recently was of course the voting rights act, one of the greatest achievements in the history of our democracy. it prohibited recently discriminating voting laws which is only necessary because the amendment that had done that and the 15th amendment was just violate, it also dramatically increase black voters participation in the south. it prohibited race voter laws and as you've seen the charred it increased black voter participation. just look at this graph. the orange bars are black voter registrations before the berry was, past the blue bars represent representation after. almost instant, look at that. the law has been slowly gutted by chief justice supreme court over the last few, years and for some context, in the not so distant past, reauthorizing the b, are used to always be a bipartisan non controversial enterprise. in 2000 and, six none other than senator mitch mcconnell, kentucky, was in favor of it. republican george bush signed into law, and made a show of. it will not democrats are trying to restore the law to basically what it was before the supreme court of john roberts caught his hand on it and what they are proposing is called the john lewis voting rights advancement act. named after the late congressman. -- who shed blood in the battle for people participation for black americans in our democracy. democratic side trying to fill the hole for the supreme court -- for a number of voting rights bills, and now republicans will nothing to do with. it in fact, when the jaundice bill came up for a vote yesterday, the same mitch mcconnell with votes with authorization tried to argue the new law with -- >> -- senator democrats make a another chance of robbing the new power in the election. rather than congressional democrats trying to grab all the power for themselves they are instead trying to pull off the power grab on behalf of the democratic attorney general, instead of watching democrats in the legislative branch seizing power of elections in the country it will be watching democrats and the executive branch. >> i mean, of course that argument is that if you prove too much you can pick the same thing for the 1965 voting. right maybe mcconnell thinks that those criticisms deserve a right to. >> notice how michelob does not engage with the actual bill, he just tries to reframe it to some scary takeover of the election. one republican ultimately supported that legislation yesterday, one. there are 50 republicans in the senate. only senator murkowski supported the most basic of voting rights protection. republican parties increasingly radicalized against democracy to create a situation in which they can compete for elections and use the constitutional advantage that they have in the sudden intellectual -- which are significant. growing and the use that they control to make voting harder will also make people believe that voter fraud is ramp it. we can see it play out all over the country. in north carolina, north carolina they are pushing to squeeze out any democratic opposition. in florida, republican sent this once a set of an office they're also pretty transparent to intimidate people who might vote for democrats. >> we are going to create a separate office at the state level solely dedicated to investigating and prosecuting election crimes and the state of florida,, the first person that gets caught, no one's want to do it again after that. because they know they are going to be consequences. >> that is clearly a mini desantis campaign. most importantly there is no widespread voter fraud in florida, or anywhere else in this country for that matter, what desantis is doing is flatly in attempt to intimidate and scare people to not voting. think of, it people may have criminal records. maybe i'm sure. i am no lawyer, but it's worth noting that among the many provisions of the voting rights act is an explicit ban on intimidating people who are attempting to vote. >> the senior reporter is cornell belcher, democratic poll turned strategists with the inside in the future of the democratic party in the light of tuesday's ongoing election shenanigans, he joins me now. let me start with you, ari berman, on the descendants announcement which outlet level is a stunt. but another really strikes me as essentially intimidation. saying, we're going to make a example of the first person caught,. it's saying we're going to try and senate siege to make people scared of voting. >> exactly. it is just the further weaponization of the big lie. remember, desantis already signed a sweeping voter suppression bill as an exclusive on fox and friends. so they already made it harder to vote. and now he is announcing a whole other unit that seems, as he, said on this propaganda, could also have a chilling effect on voter participation. and remember, chris, republicans created the entire system of elections in florida. so there essentially really against the system that they created. they created, job office, they created no 2000 voting, they created all of the election law hunt that they are now saying aren't enforced and so it gets to what you are saying earlier which is that if the voting system works for them, they are for. it but if it doesn't work for them, they are suddenly against it and they're saying the election is ring. but i think the clear through rhymes to all of this is that this keeps doubling down more and more on voter suppression, even when it doesn't seem to be in their political interest. >> yes, we should know that desantis said, i don't even think that we should have drop boxes, even though he signed the bill two years ago that force authorize the use of the state. they should talk to the people that created these rules, which are of course, republicans. there is also the fact, cornell belcher, this is something i've been bringing on about, i don't think anyone listens to me, but i'll just say it again -- republicans are -- well you listen to, me thank you cornell. republicans are fully capable of winning high turnout elections. this idea that, having, making it easier to vote -- but they just won in virginia. it's a state that just did all the, stuff in 45, days with no excuse. and they want. there it is not like it has some crystal clear advantage to make it easier for people to vote. >> yes, and no, there's a couple things on, that one is that when you look at the targeted effort that republicans have been doing in some of the states, it does this impact voters especially in urban areas, it does unfortunately impact voters who are younger and voters of color. people that the quite frankly -- that is not to the benefit that easy to vote. and another part about the fifth lie, it's about turnout. -- [inaudible] it is almost the perfect instrument for them. because one, as we know the big lie is about -- a republican base energizing to. and we see this as a ramp up and they get energized by the by it and the other thing is for a political party, when they do, you will have an enthusiast and energized voters. the big lie in doing, that is perpetuating that these people are stealing your country. these people are taking your country, what are you going to do about? it and as opposed to -- well i saw quite frankly that the research after the bush fight where i saw a lot of democrats thinking, my vote doesn't matter because they'll just steal it or take it away. republicans are actually having an opposite impact on. and the idea that something has been taken away from, them is actually energizing. them that is one. to, it also lays the predicate, and you see what desantis is. doing it lands down a predicate for suppression efforts that they then went to belong. top so the big lie is powerful on multiple fronts. and my question for democrats is simply this, if they get, energize around the idea that the idea of the big lie and lose them to take away our franchise is why the heck can't we use it as a re-visit to energize democrats to something bigger and say. you know what the next election is? about it's about having democracy saving our democracy can we energize our voters around that so that we can energize them around the idea of what is good for policy and bridges and roads in broadband and certainly not energizing. oh that's interesting the idea that the service. purpose a spot on and in a bunch of states you're in florida and in texas want to ask you in a. moment when you ask for republicans while we need people to trust the system. so they create the distress. and they called the process as well, so today as the department of justice will now speak to suing taxes. the sort of similar in florida violates the voting rights and civil rights by composing restriction and the pulling locations, and through absentees and how important is this from the doj to texas. ? >> well i think that it's important lawsuit it's important though to remember that the challenges only to parts of the texas law, so there is about 20 parts of the texas law that make it hard to vote. so i am so concerned about the 18 other provisions of the justice department and these aside for one reason not to challenge though but they did also decide that with others that are already challenging this law. i think it is very clear that we are not going to litigate our way out of this mess. that if you look at the courses that we're gonna go through, this is going to go through conservative court justice, it's going to go to the conservative circuit in the country, but it is going to go to the supreme court at the voting rights act. and that is why it is so important to have federal legislation for protective voting rights, that is why they're such a big push for a new voting rights act and for the freedom to vote act. because we both need federal protections, that we want. tax but we also need a new baseline of support for voting rights and protection of voting rights no matter where you live. and that is going to be the way to solve this. just like in 1965, the justice is not going to out-litigate the full texas undersea tax, wasn't going to organize full texas in. -- they had to pass legislation to stop the problem of voter suppression. we are in that same kind of moving now where there is no substitute for congressional action on voting rights. >> all right ari berman, cornell belcher, but thank you both gentlemen, i appreciate it. >> today donald trump's executive privilege claim had their day in 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