0 they'll be no reluctance on our. part at that time, the chairman committee, the chairman the garage was reluctant to issue subpoenas. i doubted, thompson told the associated press. there's no precedent to force that compliance. but, in the months since, revelations have come to life. ce revelations have come to life. because after conducting nearly a thousand witness interviews and obtaining over 100,000 documents, one thing has become clear, efforts to contest joe biden's election victory were not limited to the white house and a kookie task of sham lawyers and conspiracy theorist, elected republican lawmakers were deepl they were integral to the plan to overturn the election of the 2020 election. a mind boggling 147 house republicans, look at them all, objected tobl certifying presidt biden's victory on january 6th, literally hours after their own workplace was ransacked by a violent mob. but for a smaller core of trump die-hards their involvement went far beyond voting. messages from trump's chief of staff mark meadows alone document his interaction with more than 40 current and former republican members of congress regarding efforts to contest the election and the january 6th riot. in recent weeks we learned that ain previously unknown number o trump allies in congress attempted multiple post election white houseat meetings in which republican lawmakers trat guysed -- strategized ways for biden tote not take office and discusd pressuring the vice president and getting rid of justice department leadership and replacing them with more compliantre trump-approved choices. direct witness testimony from the committee confirms they did so even after being advised by white house lawyers that what they were doing was plainly illegal. and while the committee clearly added documents and witnesses who coulde attest to those fac, they have yet to hear from those republican-elected members themselves. and so today, in a move that surprised some, the committee subpoenaed five republican members of congress as part of its investigation into the attack. the five recipients that either had conversations with president trump that day, spoke at the rally prior to the attack, or played some role in plotting with trump officials to overthrow the results of the 2020 election. all five had previously been asked for voluntary testimony, all five have declined. now, the letters announcing the subpoenasno were short. they were on a single page pelling the lawmakers to appear before the committee for a deposition by the end of the month. the mostsi notable recipient, t top republican in the house kevin mccarthy who we know spoke to trump on the day of the attack, multiple poll reports are clear that mccarthy and trump got into an expletive laden shouting match as the attack was unfolding. recent audio by "the new york times" journalists and first played on rachel's show showed mccarthy telling the leadership team thatmc what trump did was atrocious and totally wrong. he said he would call upon trump to resign and he also told colleagues that trump acknowledged responsibility for the attack. in fact, in plain viewil of everyone, on the house floor, fiveev days after the riot, mccarthy said that trump bore responsibility for the attack. of course that was before he forgot all about those concerns and made a pilgrimage to mar-a-lago just a few weeks later to take a nice picture, make amends, pose for a photo with dear leader, and then there is jim jordan who attended many of those white house meetings in which strategies were discussed for overturning the election. the ohioan was texten white house chief of staff mark meadows in the hours before the riot suggesting way to overturn biden'sri victory. jordan also spoke to trump multiple times on january 6th. how many times you ask? it's unclear. on january 6th, did you speak with him before, during, or after the capitol was attacked? i would have to go, i spoke with him that day, after, i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not.i i just don't know. i would have to go back, i mean i don't know that, when those conversationsow happened, but wt i know is i spoke to him all the time. >> also subpoenaed today, scott perry chairman of the house freedom caucus, he was apparently the architect of the plot toap replace justice department leadership with a trump crony who wanted to declare on d.o.j. letterhead that the election results were invalid and tell legislators in swingva states that were won by biden that they should delay certifying their results. we also learned that recently that prior to januarywe 6th, pey supported the idea of quote directingsu thousands of angry marchers end quote, from the rally, over to the capitol that day. the alabama congressman mo brooks spoke at the january 6th rally that day urging the crowd to quote fight for america and carrie the message to capitol hill. this is hichlt formerie staffero mccarthy recalls on the day of the riot, mo brooks was cheering on the mob from inside the house as the attack was under way. inside. brooks like the others also attended various white house strategyls sessions to overturn biden'sst win. recently, brooks has admitted that trump has repeatedly asked him to illegally rescind the 2020 election and restore him back to power, including several times in the past six months, i'm not quite sure that am brooks himself was going to do that but anyway. and finally the arizona congressman andy biggs credited with coming up the withed idea to hold a rally at the white house and in addition to convince leaders that the election was stolen he was involved in seeking a presidential pardon for those involved in protesting the election that day. allng five recipients of today' subpoenas blasted the committee, calling it illegitimate, a witch hunt, and a charade. brooks even doubled down with a statement saying in part, the 2020st election was stolen and donald trump is the rightful winner. which is not the question that was asked ofwi him. but notably, precisely none of today's subpoena recipients explicitly stated that they would reject the committee's while they rail against the illegitimacy of the committee, it's notable that the courts keep disagreeing with them. in ruling afterur ruling, judge from all pointsth on the ideological spectrum, including trump-appointed judges keep consistently ruling the opposite, that the investigation is properly constituted, that it is doing something important, and that itis has a right to th information that it is seeking. today, the chairman of the committee, benny thompson says he hopes the republican members of congress would comply, quote, as hundreds of other witnesses have done. the clear implied threat there is if they don't, their story will be left to be told by someone else. >> how integral is their testimony and whatever they might have to say to the investigation and into the june hearings? >> well, we would present at the june hearing what we found in the investigation. i would hope that those members who have been identified as having information will come forward. if they don't, then we get to present the findings of our investigation. without their response. >> without their response. so what happens now? outside of ethics investigations of congress, there is no precedent for members of congress issuing subpoenas to other sitting members of congress.ot today, members of the committee wereto repeatedly asked about whetherwe they were worried abo the precedent that this could set and the potential for retaliation in the event that republicans takere over the hou in november. hereho was maryland congressman jamie raskin's response. >> this is almost unprecedented step, this is rare for members to subpoena sitting members. what do you say about what that does to the broader workings of the constitution? >> well, an attempted coup and a violent insurrection at the capitolti interrupts the peacef transfer of power are unprecedented events and some people have asked, does this set precedent for the issuance of subpoenast for members of in the future, if there areco coups and insurrections, d i suppose that it does. >> a lot of questions, unfortunately, my first guest is thert perfect person to answer them. the aforementioned maryland congressman member of the january 6th investigation, jaime ry mbraskin, congressman, we appreciate your time. thank you for being with us tonight. >> delighted to beth with you. >> let me ask you about this. you have mentioned that you have reason to believe that the republican elected members who have beenre subpoenaed today, t five members, will comply with the committee's request. now is that glass half full, jamie raskin, or do you believe that to beja true? >> well, it's glass half full, but it's based on probably more than 90% of the people we've been interested in talking to. thosebe people come forward and voluntarily cooperated with the committee. and look,ed it's the whole basi of our legal and justice system, which is that if people have relevant evidence to investigation, they come forware and they testify about it. iwa mean our whole justice syst collapses if that doesn't take place. so if a crime takes place, either a major crime, like a coup or an insurrection, or other, any other kind of crime, a bank robbery, a street mugging anda if someone is a witness t it, they have the legal duty to come and toit testify. and if you think that your testimony could implicate you because you're not just a witness but you're a participant, you can invoke the fifth amendment privilege againsten self-incrimination. and our committee respects the constitution, including the fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination. but those are really your only choices if you've got relevant evidence. and the vast majority of people understand that. the vast majority of americans understand that if they received a subpoena tomorrow from a court or from congress, they would comply. so we just have a tiny miniscule part of the population that thinks somehow they skate above the law. >> do you heexpect, let's say ty either voluntarily comply, or areei compelled to comply, do y expect to get new information from them,ex or are you expecti them to verify information that you believe you already have? >> well, if they testify truthfully, which of course they're legally bound to do, and if they're sworn in, then under the laws ofif perjury, then we will receive a lot of new information, and some of it might be exculpatory for them. some of it might help them in terms of their public image and understanding of their role. but as the chairman indicated in that little excerpt that you invoked, if they don't come forward, we're just going to release the information we've got and of course then they will go back to their tired talking point of howgo this is a partis, bipartisan investigation, including the former chair of the house republican conference, and so on, but look, if they've got information about what happened, this is a deadly serious investigation into an attempt to topple our form of government. we came very close to losing it allse on january the 6th. and i would hope that someone who swears and oath to uphold d defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic would haveig a sense of legal, civic, and patriotic duty to comeci forward and to give thei testimony the way that the vast majority of people have. and they're of course excluding people like steve bannon and mark meadows, and ska veno and navarro. >> i thought it was interesting what mo brooks talked about, that the president, former president of the united states, has contacted him several times to, i don't know, do what, overturn the election and rescind the ratification? i don't know what he is asking mo brooks to do. i'm in the quite sure what mo brooks is capable of doing. but mo brooks has asserted that they want to hold, or there was scheming h involved to try to hd a special election for the presidency. have you uncovered whatever that plot is? >> well, mo brooks makes an attempt to a point, ali, because this is really a continuing effort to overthrow our system of government. donald trump has never conceded defeat to joe biden. and his c supporters, like pro brooks are out there saying that donald trump is the rightful winner, andna we're very curiou about what mo brooks is referring to when heur talks abt continuing efforts to get congress to rescindut the election. there of course is no provision inth the u.s. constitution for rescission of an election any more than there is a provision to seize the ry election machinery and re-run theel election, which was anoth plot they had, any more than there is justification for the vice president to stepti outsid of his constitutional role, and simply unilaterally reject the electoral college votes cast by tens ofel millions of people. sote all of these are counterfe efforts to replace our real constitutional order with somethingco that would put dona trump back intoso office. and as you can see, from congress machbman brooks' statement, that effort continue. >> congressman, i have a copy of the mull mueller report, it's bound and all of the lawyers have interpreted it over the months and months and months and have all signed it almost like a yearbook. i'm a hoping that's not what happens with the january 6th committee, right? i knowt j that sur responsibil because you don't have the wherewithal, the ability to change laws, and fix the guardrails that are broken, but what can we reasonably expect to happen? because i'm very worried about the things that you come on and warn us about, what were under way, and i'm worried that, what happens if nothingwa happens wi all of the information you have? what happens if your report falls in the woods? >> well, that can happen, because it is unthinkable that that would happen. and we're in a struggle for our democracy, this is a fight for our lives, that we're in, the autocrats are on the march all over theau world, we see the ultimate destination of this kind of authoritarianism and violence and lying in ukraine today, where donald trump's bosomto buddy vladimir putin wha number of my gop colleagues continued to revere and idolize is engaged in daily war crimes against a sovereign nation where the people want nothing other thanth their freedom and their democracy. and so we understand that there's a struggle to defend dem race all over the world, which is besieged from moscow to mar-a-lago, with all of the autocrats and bullies and autocrats and dictators getting together against democracy, so this set of hearings and the report that will follow is a message to the country, because what we have under house resolution 503 is a requirement, as a committee, that we determine the exact events of what took place, the causes behind them,wh and then significantly, what needs to be done in order to fortify our institutions, our constitutional processes, and our values going forward, sopr we're not subjecto further coups, insurrections, and authoritarian attacks on our democracy. >> and you're satisfied that you will have ande answer to that third part, what needs to be done, steps that we can actually all take, whether they're as a government or in states to not evergo have to go through this again? >> yes, and you will see some of that begins to surface in the hearings. you will see a lot more of it in the reports. and there will be more action by the committee. we have operated in a truly bipartisan and truly unified way to try to live up to the very serious that has been imposed on us and we're taking it seriously andus we're doing everything th must be done to protect going forward in the future because this century is turning out to be a very unstable one, where the autocrats and the racists, and the anti-smite, and the ultra nationalists are on the march against the democratic peoples and governments of the world. so we're trying tole look at th inrl a really serious way, from the ground floor, to do we need shatter-proof glass in office buildings and the capitol, all the way through the electoral counteract, the insurrection th act, the electoral college, all of it, we're going to put these questions to the american people, because we have to be very serious going forward, if we're going to continue to be a democratic society, you know, that in america, democracy is either shrinking and shriveling away and growing and expanding and we have to get our democracy back onet the growth track. >> we are on the wrong side of that equation. thank you, sir. maryland thcongressman jamie raskin, member of the january 6 committee, we appreciate your time as always, thank you. much more to comete here tonight, includingan new developments in one of the investigations surrounding donald trump. stay with us. investigations surrounding donald trump stay with us