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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com ♪ good evening and welcome to "the source." i am kaitlan collins, live from israel, where tonight we are seeing just how fluid that temporary truce between israel and hamas really is. we've now learned that no hostages will be released and fighting will not stop before friday at the earliest. there was no explicit reason given for the delay of the implementation of this deal that was supposed to begin just a few hours from now. but an israeli official says the details are still being hammered out, as israel has still not received names of the first hostages that are set to be released by hamas. here is where the broad outline of that deal stands, as we are right now. at least ten hostages were kidnapped 47 days ago are expected to be freed per day, with ten more being released each day after that for at least four days, though officials are hopeful it could potentially last even longer than that. in exchange, israel will release 150 palestinian prisoners, women and children. the vast majority eligible for release are male teenagers between the ages of 16 to 18. there will be a temporary pause in the fighting and a surge in the desperately needed humanitarian assistance sent into gaza. right now that fighting is continuing and israel has been hitting targets in northern gaza throughout the day, as we have seen. matthew chance is here with me in tel aviv. we expected the this to start just a few hours from now. it was never really that concrete, based on conversations with officials, i think. what is the sense of why this is happening and whether or not this will be the only delay. >> first of all we don't know exactly why the officials that we spoke to have been a bit vague about it. they're saying, it's nothing serious, it's just minor implementation issues. there's no sense in which this deal has been derailed in any way. we're talking about things like the fact that it seems there hasn't been a full list of potential hostages to be released given over to the israelis yet. there's been some confusion about that. it turns out that the israelis nor hamas have actually signed any deal. and that's a potential problem as well. but, again, nothing that would necessarily, you know, derail this entire process. nevertheless, there is this delay. it's a delay in the pause of the violence. it's a delay of the hostages coming out. and that's obviously very damaging for gaza, very frustrating for the families as well who are waiting with anxiety to see their loved ones come out. >> that's really interesting that neither israel nor hamas has signed the multi-page agreement they've been hammering out the details on. once it does happen, what does that logistically and operationally going to look like. >> i think it's another reason it's going to be complicated. there are lots of moving parts. gaza is a destroyed territory in large part. and of course hamas need to move these hostages to a place where they can be transferred to icrc and eventually to israeli custody. my understanding is from the conversations i've been having with israeli officials is that the hostages will come out in batch of about 10 or 12 and they'll be back into egypt into israel, three different locations. it's manly going to be children. and children will be met at the border. children over the age of 12, they'll meet their loved ones inside the hospitals. if the injuries are dealt with and you've got the psychological problems. i was speaking to a counselor earlier today. there's a team in israel waiting to manage those traumas there are going to be part of being released of hostage. >> we heard from the two elderly women who were released. the daylight just shocked them after being underground for so long. matthew chance, great reporting. we'll continue to check back in with you. for the families of these hostages, this delay has only prolonged the anguish, the anticipation they've been feeling for 47 days now. joining me tonight is someone who knows that feeling unfortunately all too well, the founder of the hostages and missing families forum. omere's cuz and her three children were kidnapped by hamas on that day. her husband and oldest daughter were murdered. amir, i can only imagine the roller coaster of emotions you have felt. are you hopeful that it is actually going to happen this time? >> we are, of course. we're eagerly waiting to see them coming back home. we hope that it's happening. >> and have you heard anything from either the israeli government or any officials about whether or not your family is going to be in this initial group of hostages that we believe are going to be released. >> we have no information about it. we hear some rumors on the media and on the social media, but we try not to give them much attention. we're trying to stay focused. we're trying to wait and understand that if they're coming tomorrow or the day after, it's still a long struggle. it's a struggle to help them recover and help them get back to normal life as much as possible. and to struggle, to all of us, all the israeli community, all the jewish community, to bring all of them back home, each and every one of them. >> we heard from some of the familys that they found out about this agreement, which is the closest they've come to one actually happening from the media. is that how you found out as well? >> it's been a while that we understand the talks and mediation and some negotiation, we understand there is involvement of the americans and the qataris, but yes, a lot of the information we get is from the media. >> that's just shocking, i think, to hear from a lot of people that would be the media that you're finding out about this from, not from the government or officials. and i know the group that you founded, hostage forum, has done a lot in this effort to unite families, to bring them together around this one cause, which every single family wants, which is for their loved ones to come home. what can you tell us about the hostages that will remain in gaza beyond this pause, that may not be in that initial group that is coming home right now. >> this is the group you are talking about, you know, children and their mothers. there is still probably 180 people that will still remain hostage in gaza. you have elderly women and men, you have people from different nationalities, american, canadians, germans, people from thailand, the philippines, all over the world. some of them are 20. some of them are 24. some of them are fathers that we might see their children coming back without them. so, it's only to think about it, it's devastating. and this is why i think that after this deal, we will keep and fight to seek the next one because this is the main -- i think one of the most fundamental values of israel is solidarity. this is a core value in our nation. and in the family's forum, we all sustained in solidarity together to bring all of them home. so it doesn't matter who is coming home tomorrow. we'll do whatever we can to give them the support they need. we will still have to keep and fight hamas, keep and fight this horrible terrorist organization, because we still have so many people inside, innocent people. and the fact that hamas is, you know, differentiated between young or older or i don't know what. this is horrible as well. they're all innocent that were held hostage. it's a global issue that we all need to address. >> so, you're saying that from what you've heard from these families that even if their loved one is one of the first hostages to come home, they won't be happy until all of the hostages have been able to come home. >> i'm shure of it. this is what we're doing in the hostages families forum. this is what we're doing globally. we're doing it here in new york. we have groups in d.c., california, israel, all over the world. and we are all devoted to this cause and have great partners. here in the american government, the israeli government. yeah. >> i'm curious what you make of what we heard from the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, earlier, saying that the red cross will be able to go in to check on the hostages that are not part of the initial group that is released. do you believe that that is vital, a, and that the red cross has been assertive enough about making sure that they can get contact with these hostages to check on their well being, given how long it's been that they have been in the captivity of hamas? >> we are truly hopeful that it will happen. we had a couple of meetings with the red cross here in new york and in d.c. and also in israel. we hope that they will do their part. they show a lot of devotion. and they promised us that they will do it. but unfortunately, hamas, the i rational player they are, they're not allowing it. so, this is the place that we ask and demand the international community to urge them and help the icrc to visit the hostages. because we know some of them are injured. we know some of them need medical treatment. we know some of them need their medicines. it's very complicated, and i really, really hope and pray for it to happen because it's a matter of life and death. >> are you hopeful? do you want this temporary pause to become a permanent ceasefire? >> i'm saying with a very heavy heart, unfortunately not. i've been a peace activist for a decade. this is what i do for a living in normal days. and i'm sure that there is a lot of haasostages that are also cog from, you know, this belief and values, and a lot of families. but unfortunately, the only way to reach this deal that we are seeing or about to see is fighting hamas. the pressure that israeli and the u.s. government has applied on them, if it's by military means, diplomatic means, economic means, by mediation or negotiation, this is what made the deal happen and this is what will make the deal happen because we need another deal after it. it's not as if we have a ceasefire for good. hamas will open the gates and allow the people to go back home. because there was a ceasefire actually. there was a ceasefire until october 6th, and hamas break it. and they did it in the most horrible way that the heart can bear. they did it by kidnapping babies while murdering their parents. my cousin became a hostage, a widow, and a bereaved mother on the same day. their house is burned. all of their families from the kibbutz, they don't have house to come back to. so, if we will not keep pressure on hamas, by all means, we will not bring our hostages home and we wouldn't have the security on the borders that we're trying to achieve. and i really, really hope, in the most earnest way, that eliminate hamas from power would bring better people from both sides, palestinians and israelis. >> notable answer there. we're thinking of you and your family. we can't even imagine how difficult, not just the last several days, but also, you know, this entire time. thank you for your time don't, for joining me. >> thank you for having me. thank you so much. >> absolutely. ahead, a question of what this is going to look like, when families like omere's will get more answers. what can a member of israel's government tell us about the delay in the temporary truce that has been negotiated between hamas and israel? and which hostages may be the first to be released? we'll speak to an israeli official right after this. . prime minister benjamin netanyahu addressing the public earlier for the first time since israel's cabinet approved the terms of this hostage deal, making clear that he believes this truce is only temporary. >> translator: i would like to be clear, the war continues. the war continues. we will continue with it until all our goals are achieved. to bring back the hostages, to demolish hamas. >> here with me now is a member of israel's -- ambassador, thank you for being back. good to be with you in person. do you know why there's a delay in the implementation of this agreement between israel and hamas? >> kaitlan, we're dealing with a very cynical terrorist organization which is being led by a psychopath. so, you never know. so, it's not done it's done. as of now we haven't received the names of the children and the families that were supposed to be released today. and we will get the names every day in advance and then it will happen. so, we hope it will happen on friday. but we are not sure. >> and how far in advance do you expect to get the names? we know it's supposed to begin around 10:00 a.m. local here tomorrow initially before that. and the fact that here we are now at 4:17 a.m., you still haven't gotten it. what's israel's expectation there? >> the expectation was on the morning of thursday, actually we start to see people coming -- that's what we're prepared for. we realize very late tonight that it's not happening on thursday. so, we -- friday morning. >> and is the delay in the pause in fighting part of this as well. >> there is no pause. we are fighting now. as we speak, we are bombing certain targets in gaza -- >> right. so, the fighting will be delayed. >> we will continue to targ. once we get the names and we know it's happening, we will pause your dies. >> are you confident that this deal is going to hold, that this is a temporary delay in the implementation of it. >> we don't know. in 2014, with a ceasefire, it was brokered by the u.n. back then, and they kidnapped an israeli soldier during the ceasefire. it's very sensitive. we're committed to getting back the hostages. at the same time we're going to be on high alert. >> has hamas signed this agreement yet from your understanding? >> no. from my understanding they haven't signed it yet. the qataris brokered the deal. they want to have some kind of signature. they also have issues with hamas. the qatari realize they're dealing with a terrorist organization. >> has israel signed the agreement yet. >> once the government of israel voted on it last night and the supreme court actually decided not to intervene with that decision, it's a done deal, we're willing to sign it. >> so, that's the question of once it's signed by hamas. what prime minister netanyahu said today, he said that the red cross is going to be able to go into gaza for the hostages who are not part of that initial group that's release ed. is there confidence in the israeli government that that's actually going to happen? that the red cross is going to be able to contact the rest of the hostages? >> that is important to us. we have hostages held for 50 days in captivity that need their medicine. we are pushing for that. it's part of the agreement but i don't know if it will happen. in the past, we haven't seen the red cross very active when it comes to israeli prisoners. when it comes to terrorists in our jail, they allow visitation of the families, they're very active. but when it comes to our people in gaza, 50 days, i haven't heard even one statement from the red cross. >> so you're skeptical that's going to happen. i am curious about the outlines of the agreement as we understand it now. it's 50 hostages in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners being held in israel. how is that number agreed to, that three to one ratio? >> so, we focused on the babies. we have babies, ten months old. we have twin sisters tl, three years old. we focus on the babies and the mothers that will be the first to come back home. they both request to release women and teenagers. by the way, some of the teenagers they want us to release committed a crime a few months ago, stabbing israelis, trying to murder israelis. so, we're fighting for innocent babies. they're negotiating for killers. >> so, why not release them one for one? >> that's a good question. when you look back at the deal, we released more than 1,000 prisoners for one israeli soldier. we care more about the lives of our people. >> people have been critical of that agreement, what was agreed to with -- because he said a lot of those prisoners who were released then went on and helped contribute to this cycle of terror. are you worried about that happening here with who you're about to release? >> for sure. look at sinwar himself. he was part of the -- and when he came back to gaza, he became the leader of hamas. and he's conducting these terror acts against us. so, we take that into consideration. part of our jewish tradition is to fight to release any hostage. we know we want to pay a price for that. also our talk now will be in gaza for four days, five days. it's a challenge. we're taking that risk. >> okay. so, it sounds like you're a bit skeptical of the outlines of this deal. president biden spoke with the egyptian president sisi earlier today, and it was a notable statement that came out of the white house that said under no circumstances will the u.s. permit forced relocation of palestinian citizens or redrawing gaza's borders. >> we agree with that. we are not talking about forced relocation. we're focused on the goals of eradicating hamas. we make that distinction. we move very slowly. 47 days, the idea -- already in the bottle with egypt. we take the time to minimize the casualties of civilians. -- palestinian refugees coming and knocking at the door. maybe they should consider accepting a limited number of refugees from gaza to their countries. >> you talked about the u.s. also doing that but saying they're not going to move the palestinians. >> i never said u.s. i said all the nations of the world should think about accepting a symbolic number of refugees from gaza, allow them to come for temporary or permanent stay. >> as we've seen questions about whether or not israel's next moves in gaza is going to happen further in the sougts, right now most of the activity has been in the north. we are told that the u.s. has been encouraging israel, urging israel, to create these safe zones. >> i believe they'll do that. without getting into the details, we want to protect the civilians, to protect areas for them like we do in the north. we allow them to move. we talk all the time. i believe we do the same in the center. we are committed to go after hamas everywhere in gaza. n in order to eradicate hamas we have to go to the center, to the south, to the border with egypt. >> there were some strikes on corridors that civilians were trying to get out of the north. but you're saying you do believe israel will create the safe zones in the south for civilians in gaza. >> we will do everything according to international law. unlike hamas, we want to minimize the casualties of civilians in gaza. they want to see exactly the opposite. >> ambassador, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> appreciate you. as we monitor these ongoing developments in israel, we are also getting updates on what is happening at home. a deadly car explosion at the u.s.-canada border near niagra falls. the crash disrupted ground and air travel on what is obviously one of the busiest travel days of the year. officials say right now no indication it was a terror attack. so, what did happen? we'll speak to our experts right after this. this just in to cnn. as we are learning from the white house, president biden and first lady jill biden will travel to atlanta on tuesday for a tribute service for former first lady rosalynn carter, who passed away on sunday at the age of 96. we are told vice president kamala harris and the second gentleman, doug emhoff, will also be in attendance. a funeral service for rosalynn carter is expected to take place the following day on wednesday, for her family and invited friends. we'll continue to keep track of that. we're also following another story here tonight. a key bridge on the u.s.-canadian border is still closed, after a vehicle exploded earlier today. new york governor kathy hochul says after a briefing, this does not appear to be terrorism. that ball of flame that you see there, that was the result of a car slammin

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