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this is cnn breaking news. >> i'm jake tapper. we have this breaking news. reports of a shooting. reports of multiple victims. that according to las vegas police who apprehended the suspect. she is monitoring this from her . what can you tell us? >> reporter: we are getting a lot of information. we are just trying to sort out right now. what we are learning is noteworthy to say that we do know the shooter come as the las vegas metropolitan police department has said, the shooter has been contained and is now no longer alive. that part we do know. however, we do know this started around noon local time. just about an hour ago when we saw the campus impacted by this mere beam hall. also reports around student union as well. those are very close. we do know that this was steady week at unlv leading up to finals. we know that there were lots of students who were on campus. >> we have lost it. >> reporter: they were close to their classrooms. some of them were locking doors. they said they heard/uttered. we heard one student say they heard four shots go off. obviously, the campus telling people to still stay sheltering in place, telling people to stay in lockdown mode. there were even some tweets coming out where they are telling people to ride behind them a fight if they needed to in the situation. we've seen that the perimeter of what they have been locking off around unlv has expanded some. but still at this point, it looks like there is no further threat. but still unclear how many people may be insured. also noting that the npd also did tweeted that there seem to be multiple people who were impacted by this. still waiting to see what that actually means right now. this is still a very new situation that is developing here on the campus in las vegas. >> we will come back to you when we know you have new news to report. chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst. we are still just learning information about what happened. what is your take on what we are hearing so far on the police response? campus is about a 10 minute drive from the las vegas strip. >> what we are seeing here is, forthcoming a massive police response. you also see a very fast response from the university tweeting out its suited wide faculty wide, university wide assistant that there were shots fired, to shelter in place, to hide, fight come as stephanie said. what's going on now is metro police confirmed the suspect is dead. what we don't know there is, was that a self-inflicted wound by an active shooter who took their own life? or was that in confrontation with police? still trying to get those answers. as far as victims go, we know that one man is in critical condition, taken to sunrise hospital. we know that other victims are on the scene. because of the nature of the active shooter incident, what was happening was they were locating victims that were in plain view. they had emergency medical teams from fire and rescue there with force protection by las vegas metro police. law enforcement to get them into that building to locate victims. triage victims and then try to do extractions of victims which now that we believe that there was only one shooter and that the shooter is down, they can go forward. we also don't have any word on if or the number of fatalities. it is still an extraordinarily active scene. we are getting the signals from las vegas metro that the incident is under control. the threat has been neutralized. and now really, we have been here before, jake. we are in a situation where we got a lot of locked doors. we have people hiding in rooms, closets, other things. what they are asking for on the scene is to get key cards so that they can get entry to these rooms or entry tools so that they can break in and make sure that there are no additional victims that need medical treatment. that is the priority. and that they can get to anybody who is locked in, locked down and needs to get out. >> so what we know is that the police say at 11:46 a.m. in las vegas, there was an incident reported in the 4400 block of maryland parkway. unlv wrote on twitter, university police responding. that reference to beam hall which is the home of the leading business school. if this is not a test. run, hide, fight. that in all caps. now we know that the shooter, we believe, has been killed. you were in las vegas just last week. what are some of the challenges that law enforcement deals with when it comes to closing off an area? we are just blocks away from this major tourist attraction. >> the first is obviously what you said which was, closing off an area like this at a university like this, universities are like mini towns, they have their own protocols for communication. it appears they do this very quickly for the students with the university both doing alerts. this is the best you can do for a community. basically just tell them what's going on and what they need to do in this case, run, hide or fight. it looks like there was a lot of hiding. second of course is, it's las vegas, high tourism area, high tourism time. a couple of weeks ago, they have the las vegas and paris. they have the super bowl coming in january. that means that there are a lot of people unfamiliar with the area who might not be or have access to communications. what that also needs is that this is a very professional group of people. both the police and emergency management very well. they learned a lot since october 1st, 2017. that was a terror attack from the mgm studio at the country music festival that killed so many. they are very focused on communication. that was a big challenge in 2017. these are younger people that are adults. they have parents that are still very involved with their lives. there's a lot of family unification going on as well. those are the top line issues that are under consideration until we find out the magnitude of this now that the suspect was killed. >> i want to play a bit of what we were hearing from students on the unlv campus. take a listen here. >> to be honest, we were presenting in a ballroom. i didn't hear much but we got an alert. all text messages at the same time. they said they put the building on lockdown, they shut all the curtains. everyone moved to one side of the room. after that come a lot of waiting. we got told to move on to one quarter and we heard a lot of yelling. that where stuff started to get a little bit more hectic. >> it's hard not to think about the mass shooting that happened on the vegas trip in 2017. at least 58 people killed. more than 500 injured by the lone gunman. still a lot of mysteries about that shooting that remains one of the deadliest in american history. given that experience corba how does that play into what might have happened today? >> it plays in a lot, jake. this is las vegas. it has always been a symbolic target in terms of terrorism. it has always been a magnet for attention. because of that, las vegas metro police, they've been very focused on active shooter, active shooter response, active shooter training, active shooter protocols. after the las vegas sniper shooting which was an event that none of us had ever seen before, they really looked at the lessons learned from that. they hold their response capabilities, their communication, their active shooter plans. going into this today, there are few places, not that anyplace is really prepared for this. there are a few places better prepared the las vegas with not just their rescue task force approach, to bringing in the medics even when the situation is ongoing. by giving them are forced protection. in this case that the student union where they were able to fairly quickly evacuate over 300 students in an organized way. they put a lot of work into this. what do they say, jake? plans are essential in war and useless in battle. no matter how much practice and protocol and training and drills, physical drills with real role players, you go through them out when the bullets are flying and people are screaming and the 911, and the units are arriving, keeping these things organized and focused and the information sharp is a real challenge. obviously, we see some of that today. but it's a massive response from people who unfortunately have had a lot of practice. >> juliet, thoughts? >> this is a well-trained, very professional university. the main focus of course is, how many are dead and how many are injured. those numbers matter to everyone. second, what is the motive? john and i were supposed to be on your show for another reason related to a lot of issues right now in the united states. now that they know who it is, they know he's dead and confirmed that it, they are going to now look to motives. have some vengeance. was in a larger motive out there. that going to be a big question in the next 24 hours. >> thanks to both of you. it would appear that the incident at unlv is impacting flights in and out of las vegas right now. >> here is the latest from the faa. there is a ground stop just put in place for flights bound to harry reid international airport in las vegas. we are talking about an airport that is only a few thousand feet away from the unlv campus. this is a really large ground stop here. it impacts flights pretty much everywhere on the western u.s. we are talking about 1200 flights of our delayed according to the faa. they could be delayed in our, they could be laid longer. the faa says this is specifically for a security incident and there is a chance this could get extended. but this is impacting flights not only from san francisco and oakland, but all the way to denver. a big hotspot for travelers. we know this will have an impact and oftentimes with these do go in place, there is a ripple effect on travel elsewhere. the latest from the faa, they have put in place a ground stop for flights going into las vegas and they could extend this even longer, jake. >> we see them starting to set up. we are going to squeeze in a quick break. we will be back in a moment. we are back with the breaking news. the scene just moments ago, military style tanks rolling near the university of las vegas. i'm not sure if that is a tank. military style vehicles. police say that the shooter, the suspect at least is dead. we are standing by for a news conference. let's go back to cnn's stephanie elam. stephanie, what's the latest? >> reporter: i think one thing that is worth noting is that the tweet for the las vegas metropolitan police department actually said, the suspect has been located and is deceased. again, not clear if the suspect killed himself or if they were killed in shooting. very interesting wording to give us more context of what may have happened. we are hoping to learn more about this when they do the press conference 4:30 p.m. eastern time and get more information. when we listen to what the students say they encountered, we know that this was study week, this was a time for students to prepare for finals before they can go wait for the winter break. they were there on campus come a lot of them studying. some of them try to figure out what to do. it really going to protect themselves the best way they could. they became very aware very quickly that this was a serious situation. some of them closed curtains, moved away to the other side of the room locking doors. he said that they heard glass shattering, some hearing shots fired as well. all this happening on campus and it's still unclear whether or not this was just happening in beam hall which is where the lead business school is, computer labs, laboratories, classroom, obviously. whether or not there was also another shooting incident, very close by in the student union. we are hoping to get some clarity on that as we get more information here. as far as the cool school is concerned. they are still telling people to shelter in place. we were looking at the tweets that were coming out from unlv telling people this was not a drill, this was real. telling people to run, hi, fight. riding that in all capital letters to make sure students understood. the student said they got text messages on the same time telling them what to do. the mayor coming on saying this is tragic and heartbreaking. we have a lot of questions that we are hoping we get answers to what we hear from lv pd. >> thank you, stephanie. let's bring back john miller and juliet to talk about what's going on. we expect to hear from police soon. what kind of details when we expect to hear this quickly after the shooter, or at least the suspected shooter has been stopped? >> jake, what we are going to expect to hear is the basics. this is what we know, this is what we don't know, this is what we are doing to find out. i think you'll probably see that take the shape of, this is how we responded, this is where we encountered the gunmen. it appears that all of this is subject to change because you understand having done way too many of these, the fluidity and preliminary nature of this information. it appears that the suspect was encountered by police. i don't know if that is the las vegas university police, the university of las vegas has its own police department. and that is how the suspect came to be deceased. we have heard numerous reports of a possible second suspect. let me go full stop here. that is almost 100% common in these incidents. most often, there is no suspect. no additional suspect other than the original suspect. the way that occurs is people see plainclothes police officers arriving or running towards where they are supposed to deploy, not in uniform with a weapon out and those calls turned into possible second shooter. we left to sort through whether this gunman was alone, which is the indicator we are getting from the police tweet. but they have to go through those reports and look for people. that where we are right now. the number of casualties still uncertain. obviously, the shooter is at least one dead. there may be an additional. what i am given to understand is a handful of people either shot or injured, perhaps half a dozen. but that is also developing as they continue to use entry tools and key cards where they them to see if anyone else was injured. >> that a good point. almost every single shooting, there's always a report of a second gunmen, a third gunmen. i can only think of one time when there was more than one gun man ever. it's almost one solo gun man. would police be in position to talk about the number of victims? >> they are going to have this press conference obviously to tell us what they know. they would not be having this if they were still counting bodies. i hate to sound so crude about it but we basically know there is no way they are going to go out there not at least have some semblance of what the numbers are. this is a 338 acre area with 30,000 students. this is a big area. they have communication systems that will tell us what areas are secure and not secure. it also where the gunmen may have been and we will hopefully hear what the numbers are. how many were shot, what the injuries are. here's something that comes up in these active shooter pieces. this happened with michigan state earlier this year. we have these active shooter cases. as someone dies. lots of people injured. and they are not considered mass shootings because in our definition, we only count the dead. i honestly think that just ridiculous. a lot of people were shot at. that a mass shooting. but in the way that we define it by fbi standards, it is four dead, not including the assailant. we will find out what they are calling this as well. hopefully in the next couple minutes. >> it's possible if we lived in a less violent country, we would adhere to your definition, juliet. but because we have so many shootings to adhere to your definition for a mass shooting is just the number of people shot as opposed to the number of people killed in the numbers of mass shootings would be through the roof. i'm sure in other countries where they don't have mass shootings the way we have them in the united states, they probably do divide them the way you think they should be defined. >> yeah. that exactly right. i don't know what we are hiding from. there is a big debate. it sounds silly but it's not. how are we going to get an inventory about what is actually happening in this country if we define mass shootings as just the person got lucky it wasn't killed. but they were shot at. this is the challenge right now, if we actually want an account of what is actually happening in this country. it would take into account that a lot of these loan gunmen, we don't know what his motivation is. i'm not even pretending i do at this stage. but that these incidents at these public facilities, lots were people are shocked that are killed in some of these instances. and we should consider those mass shootings. we will find out what is happening on the ground. it's worth raising in this instance because the last major university college shootings in michigan, michigan state, the guy happen to not kill as many people as he really hurt. those are sometimes not considered mass shootings. >> we are now giving even more sound for some of the people who were on the unlv campus when the shooting occurred. a reminder, the suspected shooter has been killed. we don't know if it was by police or by his or her own hand. there are multiple victims. we do not know their status. we don't know if they are wounded or if they were killed as well. let us listen to the sound of people on campus. >> cops lined up, going in. some in multiple pairs. moving toward the student union because we were told that the shooter was right in the area section. that literally what building over from us. we barricaded it up and i started watching the windows with a couple other kids to see what we can see. we saw students running out in single file lines with their hands up. we saw officers going in in their groups. that all i saw. >> john miller, your reaction? >> as you indicated before, we have done this too many times. the fact that this is familiar to us is a problem. the washington post reported by its count in the last three days, this broke the record for the shootings. i think we had passed 37 for the period they were looking at. this by '39 today. depending on the numbers, i think they define a mass shooting as a shooting incident where four or more people were shot. that a problem. there is also the question, as juliet was talking about, what about the motive here? is this a student? is this somebody from off- campus? is this related to events going on overseas as the fbi director was concerned about yesterday? i say that in the context of, this is las vegas metro. last friday, just a few days ago arrested a 16-year-old suspect who was gathering bomb components and posting on an online message board about following isis propaganda and launching an attack in las vegas that would let the zionists know that i'm here. we still have nothing on motive here but we have a police department that has been on a really heightened security footing because it's las vegas and now for the second time in a number of years as found themselves in the middle of another mass shooting. >> juliet. >> you cannot underestimate the terror attack in 2017 that killed over 50 people at the concert has changed the way both las vegas public safety and police both think about the community, think about community response, think about communications to the community based on lessons learned. and also how it really did help to professionalize and make an already pretty group of public safety very sophisticated in gun response trading. as everyone will remember that the delays and response, not good interaction between the hotel and public safety. people on the streets didn't know what was going on. there was very little communication. there was a very unique and disturbing shooti

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