watch more fareed zakaria documentaries on macs criminal appeal there was a rigged trial. >> these are bad people. nobody's ever seen anything like it. >> trump's conviction in injects uncertainty into the race don't get angry, don't get too pressed, get even success is the best revenge the former president faces potential prison time ended tide of support. >> this is big given me, this is bigger than my presidency. >> how is this verdict reverberating nationwide? plus reckless, reckless, dangerous. >> it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was greg, just because they don't like the verdict. >> biden breaks his silence on the trial can democrats capitalize on the conviction? >> and one-on-one, former speaker kevin mccarthy joins us. >> lie in an exclusive interview on the fallout from this week. and the infighting plaguing the gop inside politics and best reporting from inside the corridors of power starts now good morning thanks for joining us for inside politics sunday i'm on a raja, which is five months. it's all election day. >> one of the major parties nominees is now a convicted felon, potentially facing prison time but how much will that actually matter to swing voters in november? >> at one thing is clear donald trump's base is all fired up in many gop lawmakers are falling in line. a trump racked up tens of millions of dollars in donations after that new york jury of 12 americans convicted him on all 34 felony counts in his hush money criminal trial. but one thing we do not know for sure this morning is whether it might influence undecided voters, especially on the margins in those key battleground states where the outcome could be razor thin now, new polling taken shortly after the verdict came out, shows the biden trump rematch actually remains neck and neck with no clear leader. and last night, trump was spotted in an ultimate fighting championship about in new jersey but he stayed off the campaign trail this weekend although he did speak with fox news in an interview that this morning let's be decide to say, hey, house arrest or even jail. >> they couldn't face what that does. i'm okay with it. i one of my loyalty of the day on television saying, oh no, you don't want to do that to the i don't get a bag for anything you've just the way it is. i don't know that the public would stand it i don't i'm not sure that the public would stand four with a house arrest for i think i think it'd be tough for the public to take a certain point. there's a breaking point all right, let's break this all down with our great panel this morning. cnn's paula reid, susan glasser from the new yorker axis is hans nichols and tamara keith of npr. good morning, everybody. it's been busy especially for you. you've been working nonstop, so it's great for you to be here to break down what's happening in this trial? what would, that same interview was asked about whether or not he would take this to the supreme court directly, didn't quite answer about that, but this is all the political calendar, the legal calendar is all converging the cnn debate is on june 27th. then there's a trump sentencing on july 11 that is just four days before the republican national convention. you talked to the league go team all the time. paola, what is your sense of how they're playing to pursue this appeal and whether this sentencing date will try to ask to move it. >> so it's interesting. i'm seeing a shift in the past few days mean throughout the course of this trial, certainly the 2024 race was a factor, but you never heard todd blanche mentioned it in court? yes, he mentioned it and litigation about moving trial. and of course, in the gag order litigation. but inside that courtroom, the 2024 race was not a factor. now, going forward through the appeals and sentencing, it is the factor because some of his political advisers believed that having this sentencing just a few days before the convention is ideal to help continue to frame him as a martyr. but his legal team is going to be you bogged down, dealing with the classified documents case and a big hearing on that in late june. >> so it's unclear right now if they're going to move to try to postpone that july 11 sentencing just real quickly at that, if the appeals process plays out, do we expect that could get settled before the election in as a tight timeline given the process in new york, i don't think it will be settled before the november election. >> and again, this is the only criminal trial he's going to face before the november election. but there are some legitimate questions to be appealed here. do i think the entire case will be overturned that's a long shot, but there are absolutely issues to raise one of the big questions of course, is what this means for voters kopan november, there was a flash bullet taken right after the verdict, doesn't mean a lot more polling. >> we'll see what that actually means. this one pull from a reuters ipsos about how people would vote 14% of republicans say they wouldn't vote for trump with the conviction there were 58% of independence, of course it's gonna be the key number to watch come november, there was a shift though among republicans pretrial versus post-trial, 24% before the trial. so they would now over dropping his convicted. that's down for just 14% now. so clearly there's been a shift among republicans falling in line, but ultimately where those swing voters fall you know, manner, it's it's a familiar pattern now, after eight years in which republicans asked in a generic sense, is this unthinkable? they say absolutely yes, this is unthinkable. we could never do it. how could we have a president in the united states who does this? then trump does exactly the unthinkable thing and they find ways at least millions of them too. to rationalize and justify. so i'm not surprised that those numbers have gone down the question is, even if there's one or two or 3% of republicans for whom the label of convicted felon is absolutely unacceptable. remember retirements such a close election here that it really matters only in a few key battleground states it's not going to be 17% of republicans who abandoned donald trump. now, after everything that we've already seen, the question i have is whether there's enough who simply can't stomach the idea of having a convicted felon as the president of the united states and the question has been also about how the white house, how president biden was dealing with as we've seen, a shift i guess they'd been quiet. >> biden said virtually nothing about this criminal trial then that campaigns on a bunch of surrogates out to new york including robert de niro to attack trump. and then there was the president making statements on friday after the verdict came out saying he was reckless to criticize such a verdict, but there's a real debate within the democratic party about how far the go, whether to embraces what are the campaign on the fact that they are running against a convicted felon just a good debate among some key people in the democratic party, doug jones, a former senator, telling political so i don't think there's anything to lose. and a lot to gain because i'm convinced as a swath of people out there, who are going to be very troubled at this point and haven't really completely followed wondered about then all of a sudden this is a game changer suggesting that perhaps they should embrace it. that's what democratic strategists james carville also told the new york times so you cover the windows terminal? i do what is the biden campaign thinking about how to embrace this or what are they just going to let the chips fall where they may yeah. i mean, i think that there is a fight among democrats about how hard to lean into this the way the biden campaign sees it, is that this is one point in a larger case, that they don't think that they can just make their message convicted felon. that's not enough and so they they need to make it part of this larger question of democracy. and trump's position on abortion and some of these other issues that they are trying to drive leading into that first debate. they don't think that they can just sit back and say, oh, yeah this is going to come up because no, it's firing up the base obviously. but the question is, those those those like zombie nikki haley, voters who voted for her in pennsylvania, even though she wasn't running any, if they win, some of them if biden loses one of the things that people will say should he have been talking about these criminal trials earlier or at all? >> look, i suspect if biden loses the monday morning quarterbacking will be just you know, it will it'll be everything. right. and there will be a variety of decision points and we can, we can game that out later. thank to tamp way, two things can be true. one the president isn't going to totally lean into this, and i suspect will eventually here from the campaign or hear more from the campaign, the two words that we're all discussing, which is convicted felon, how much will they lean into that? but the other part that could be true is that the president can continue to do what he did on friday, which just talking about trump's reaction. he's not actually getting into the weeds of the trial. he's not actually making a judgment on the case. he's talking about how the president is reacting. i think one way to look at this is how biden is thinking about it in terms of when they talk about the. case, they talk about oh, this is really about democracy in influence. this wasn't just a hush money case, and that's the main point that you aren't you're going to hear from the biden campaign, is that this isn't hush money. this is about democracy, this is about stealing and election. this is a about what they want to make 2024 about, and they not just this case, and they tie it into the broader narrative. and can they reach out to some of those disaffected voters who are just tuned out of politics, who could decide the election that's one of the things that's been a dynamic that's been playing out as they've been looking. this is how a nikola, the new york times reports at the polls have shown donald trump with an edge for a straight months, but there's one big flashing warning signs suggesting that his advantage might not be as stable as it looks that warning sign his narrowly is built on gains among voters who are not paying close attention to politics who don't follow traditional news and who don't regularly vote. so will they be convinced by this or will they be doing things what biden is doing on tuesday? he's announcing executive actions on the border. they're trying to focus on some of those other issues. how will those voters obviously it's hard to cast one would say one fell, swoop, say how these all people a vote, but what is the right strategy if for the biden campaign to get those voters? >> well i think this is the question in many ways of this election. how do you break through? two people who have tuned out by the way, across the political spectrum in this country. i think it's almost media consumption. you could argue that is the defining kind of demographic question. the people who are just getting their news from social media at this point have very different political views. it turns out, then the rest of america, but i think i'm watching whether and how the idea of a conviction does break through. there certainly anecdotal evidence to suggest that people obviously we're not watching this on tv. it wasn't on tv, but that this idea of the conviction did break through. but just one important point it seems to me is that it's not just well, how's biden doing? how's trump people doing reacting to this, like the escalation and the radicalization that we've seen this week. it is a historic moment to have a former president in the united states convicted and then the response which has been something different, a full-out attack on the legal system itself that's different than what we've seen even in 2016 and 2020 when he from trump and his supporters in paul before we get a break because we get into the sentencing discussion trump has been attacking one merge on the judge, relentlessly. does that factor in do they get tomorrow john's decision? >> look, my law license is a little desk but it is not a good idea to attach the judge who is about to sentence you i think juan merchan understands who he is dealing with. i don't think personal attacks are going to factor in a lack of remorse of violations of the gag order. his overall conduct throughout this trial that will likely factor in, but i don't think won version takes things too personally and understands the larger calculus or absence. one thing you advise your client not to do attacked the judge will say. >> all right. >> next, it might surprise you to learn how some of the country's most vulnerable republicans are talking about the trump conviction plus former speaker kevin mccarthy joins me live for an exclusive interview. how does he see what's happening this party right now? 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if you'd like, you think a convicted felon on the top of the ticket if you're in a swing district, you'd run away from it. but these members are not in most those reported, most republicans are on the record where they are in donald trump, right? republicans that represent trump districts have had to face these questions. these are biden district or excuse me, my mistake. biden districts. i misspoke in the by districts to me. i think it's an interesting question. what they do. i think it's also so what's going to happen the senate, where you have tester and brown who both represent states that trump clearly one and they been pretty silent as well. and i suspect this is your urgent task when they arrived when they're back in, i suspect there's going to be a capital that reported that we all know that who has the microphone and you have a camera and it will play around the hole. and we'll put those and we'll put those those centers on the record because that to me is more interesting. simply because republicans have dealt with this really since the beginning of the trump era. i mean, i suspect when former speaker mccarthy's here, trump would say something are more likely he would tweet something and republicans would have to respond and they can have muscle memory at this point. it's not valid at difficult for them and most of them, which is to say, all of them have just decide to say that it's donald trump. i'm with them. yeah. you mentioned those two senators, brown and tested. we do a statements that they gave allowed to m the aftermath of this this verdict we know saying th