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we're going to get our first public glimpse of princess catherine since christmas. what the palace said today about her cancer battle and her plans to try and resume some of her royalty duties. but leading this hour yesterday, today and for the next two weeks, the us supreme court will dominate the political conversation in this country. today, it's a major guns decision. the justices ruling six to three to strike down a federal ban on bump stocks. the ban was initially approved by donald trump 2018 after the massacre at a las vegas music festival, you might remember a gunman killed 58 people at the outdoor concert when he set up perch on the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay hotel and open fire for at least ten minutes by the time police breached the room, they say the shooter was dead, but they found 23 weapons in the room 12 with firearms, with bump stocks attached. that attack, by the way, is the deadliest mass shooting in modern american history. so i know some of you are probably out there wondering what exactly is a bump stock. i keep talking about bumps stocks. what is it? so it's this piece seen here. it can be attached to a semi-automatic weapon hairpin when a shooter uses a semi-automatic rifle, they have to pull the trigger. >> each time they want to fire a bump stock harnesses the energy of the fired weapon to make pulling the trigger faster, which allows the shooter to fire hundreds of rounds per minute. >> theoretically, let's bring in stephen gutowski. he is the founder of the reload, which focuses on on firearms policy, and politics and is an expert when it comes to firearms. so we always want to know what we're talking about here. so steven, a bump stock makes a semi-automatic rifle more like an automatic weapon almost, not quite, but almost like a machine gun, get closer and the rate of fire as to how quick you can find quickly. >> so there are still some differences. can you explain the differences and why a bump stock was created to begin with? >> yeah. and the differences are the key thing here in this ruling that's what the justices in the majority focused on that essentially, in order to fire each round when using a bump stock or doing bump firing, more generally bumps, not just kinda helps you do that technique of bumped firing you still have to actuate that trigger, pull, that trigger stuff to pull the trigger no matter what every single round that gets fired. but it harnesses the energy so it makes it a lot easier, right? yes. makes him much easier to do it a lot faster than a traditional shooting style where you're physically squeezing your finger each shot and they're really kind of a novelty device to be honest, i've shot them. there. there's something that people own for amusement. it's something that gets you sort of like machine gun rate of fire, machine guns, which are essentially and in the right without, without all the extra regulation that comes along with owning an actual machine gun, which you can do. but it's very expensive and very difficult. yeah. so i want to play some music some video rather, i'm sorry from the moment the shooting started in las vegas at that horrible you're not going to see anything bloody or anything but you can hear the gunfire and people panicking a warning to our viewers that the video is a little disturbing. so let's play this okay can you tell if the shooter was using a bump stock when he fired the bullets, you just heard in that video? yeah. i think it's fairly clear that from the cadence of how quickly the rounds are going off he was likely using a bump stock at that point in the video. now he used he had a lot of firearms. all right. he was in this really terrible situation where he's elevated in each shooting into a crowd. so a lot of guns would have, would have resulted. there are a lot of firearms you could have used to get similar results, but the bumps fire in this case is one of the only cases where where it might actually have helped him carry out this, this terrible tech because 58 people, yeah, because he's spraying fire into a giant crowd and he doesn't need to be accurate. that's one of the downsides of using something like a bump stock is it really reduces how accurately you can fire. >> you don't have to be that accurate if it's a crowd, you're going to add something in his concurring opinion. so in favor of overruling this band get reading of it, getting rid of justice. alito wrote, quote, there's a simple remedy for the disparate treatment of bumps, stocks and machine guns. congress can amend the law. what's your take on that? do you think that that is a good sign or a bad sign for gun rights enthusiasts to wanted this ban them gone? >> yeah. you know, the top line of this ruling is positive for gun rights advocates who wanted the bump stocks ban going because it's gone now you could you can own these devices. they'll probably start making and selling them again in most states, there are still state-level bands in 17 states. and the district of columbia, but there something to that that concurrence that i think speaks to a larger issue on how the court is approaching gun regulation because you remember they had a landmark ruling in 2022 where they said all modern laws have to have a, an analogy, analogous law from the founding here it has to be rooted in the history and tradition of firearms regulation. and what you don't here in that concurrence is anything about how banning bumps stocks would be a violation of the second amendment right? and how it would fit into the history and tradition. he just kinda say alito is one of the most conservative members of the court and you also had two other members, gorsuch and barrett, in oral arguments suggesting that they would be perhaps okay with a ban on these devices is just how to get there. they didn't like the way the atf sort of reinterpreted law. they're saying the atf, basically, you would probably have it's it sounds like you're saying reading the tea leaves and who knows, but like you have three liberal justices and potentially three conservative justices, that would be willing to rule that a band by congress on bump stocks legislatively, not through the regulatory a framework, but legislatively could be constitution. yeah, that's the signal. there's anything that's almost literally what alito is saying in that concurrence. so it's not so much the idea of banning these devices that the justices were upset with. how the atf went about doing it it's interesting because it was it was under trump, who was the trump administration did as he was trying to he was reacting to what happened in las vegas and the argument that there really isn't a need for this unless you're trying to kill a lot of people are a lot of animals or whatever. >> at the same at once when that band happened in 2018, those who owned the devices were told to turn them in or destroy them within 90 days, two people do that. >> no. no. i mean the atf received very few of these devices. i think there are estimates of about 100,000 out there. they received maybe less than 0.1% were turned in to the atf. now people could have destroyed that. we don't know exactly what people did with them. likely a lot of people kept them and just ignored this, this ruling which probably wasn't even that well known at the time, this was a sort of a federal rule that was published in the registrar, which is not exactly the most famous document in the world. so a lot of people probably still have these devices even though they technically been committing a felony by their legal now. so now they don't have to worry about it. stephen gutowski. always appreciate your expertise. thank you so much. let's discuss this now. the politics of it with cnn supreme court analyst joan biskupic and cnn political commentator jonah goldberg, the editor in chief of the dispatch, and jonah, i'll start with you today. the justices ruled along familiar six to three conservative to liberal leinz did anything stand out to you when today's ruling? >> thanks, jake. and you that's exactly what did stand out in the courtroom. the core divide at the supreme court is the six conservative justices conservative majority, all appointed by republican i'm looking in president's versus the three liberals and dissent, all appointed by democratic presidents. and, you know, jake, this is the time of year when we get our most consequential rulings and occasionally we'll have a rare descend from the bench, an oral dissent, and i and we got the first one of the season today from justice sotomayor, which i think reinforces this core divide. even though we're going to see some shifting alliances, this is basically what the courts all about. and i thought steven really laid out well you know, exactly how these mechanisms function. but justice sotomayor, as much as she highlighted the tragedy of 2017, said that this was actually a case involving statutory interpretation and she said that phrase by a single function of the trigger from the 1934 ban guns, that it actually would cover this, that she said, if you have an ordinary reading of that law, that you actually could have covered. so if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck essentially, because again, we had just a great explanation of how bump stocks could work. >> but she said, if you pull the trigger and then the price pressure that the shooter would put on the weapons. that that is a single function to have those continuous rounds go out. so i just would say that we saw in stark relief in the tableau in the courtroom today, just how these justices are divided. >> not surprising the conservatives would say do it through the congress and not through the regulatory restate jonah, florida republican congressman byron donalds called the bump stocks ban dom and he also said this a bump stock does not cause anybody to be shiny united states of america that is the shooter that does that, not a piece of equipment the bump stocks, if you will, is really just a brace for people who have arm injuries still actively shoot what's interesting about this is, yeah, i i mean, that argument you could use to overturn the ban on machine gun, right? >> really? yeah. exactly. >> but but what's interesting is it was donald trump is president trump who pushed this? i doubt brynn many headlines. they're gonna be supreme court handles at hand. so donald trump a loss, right? but but that is the reality of it. what do you think's going on in trump world right now? >> well, i don't think trump world is going to say bupkis about, except maybe they could figure out some three karam messaging to show that this proves that trump is more moderate than trying to do what he's been trying to do on abortion. you could kind of see him tried to do on this. i think that's too nuanced than argument for donald trump but yeah, look this does get to the point that i the conservative justices on the court are not lockstep trumpets. >> they have not been as friendly to trump as a lot of the critics want to make it seem. and this is an example, is that small example, but it's an example of how they see things not necessarily through the partisan lens that a lot of people want to ascribe to joe. >> and you're gonna be watching the next two weeks very closely, huge consequential cases on the court's docket, including trump's claim of immunity from criminal prosecution. perhaps that's the biggest one whether january 6 defendants will face obstruction charges emergency room, abortions is another. what's your you have any predictions for these rulings? >> i'll take the easiest one first, just based on oral arguments jake, the justices are likely to reject the idea that the january 6 defendants hundreds of them, including a case that touches on donald trump could be liable for the charge of corruptly obstructing an official proceeding. they've been charged with many, many different federal crimes, but that's one that has been used on, as i said, hundreds. and just from the oral arguments the justices, a majority seem to suggest that prosecutors have gone too far with an expanded reading of that of that federal law that was passed, actually, they get at accounting practices and actual evidence issues, destruction of evidence, so they didn't think that law was properly used. is that's my guess on that one. but then on the one that we all really care about the most, i think people are watching is the one weather former president donald trump should be shielded from the election subversion charges that have been brought by special counsel jack smith on behalf of the justice department. i think in that case it's likely that donald trump will win a little bit jack smith's, will win a little bit, and the key question that we're all kind of wrestling with as we anticipated, is who's going to how lopsided will it be, and who will have the best chance of going forward either with a trial without and i think at this point, just the signals from the quarters, it's just very unlikely that former president donald trump would be tried on election. >> election subversion, subversion charges before for the election yeah. >> yeah. i think look, even trump's own lawyer conceded that the president is not immune from personal acts of criminality, and that some official acts could be criminal deemed criminal i don't think this court in any way is going to endorse the full-throated trump truth, social position that the president can just go climbing as much as he lacked, right and so the supreme court settles questions, not cases. and so i think what they're trying to do is figure out some sort of precedent that they can send on this very thorny issue of presidential immunity. and i suspect what they're gonna do is they're gonna do it narrowly, come up as close as they can get to 90 for something that trims back some of the broader outreaches of jack smith's case but tells the district court the things that you can actually demonstrate a real crimes go with that stuff. and so trump's absolutely right, it's not going to happen on a timetable that people, a lot of people would like it to. and i don't think the supreme court is supposed to ask questions based upon electric electoral timetable. >> interesting stuff, joan and jonah, thanks so much appreciate it. who better to comment on these massive, massive supreme court cases and a man who was once considered himself for the highest court in the land. that conversation is live in studio next plus what caused a southwest airlines flight to make an unsafe rolling emotion while 34,000 feet in the air, i'm glad i was not on board. i'll tell you that much. the new investigation as ahead and this justin president biden moments ago boarding air force one and italy after the g7 summit of world economic superpower is biden is headed straight to california for a star fundraiser tomorrow with former president obama, julia roberts hertz george clooney, jimmy kimmel. we're back in a moment i'll draw chains, is cold calculating, cynical it needs the money not only was the cia compromise, he also was compromised secrets and spies, a nuclear game sunday at ten on cnn when you're a small business owner what are. >> dualists can be a log that's why progressive makes it easy to see with a commercial auto quote online. so you can take on all your other to do's already did see if you could see the progressive commercial commercial.com kinda riva support your brain health, narrate. >> janet, hey, eddie, know appraiser, franck. >> franck, brad, how are you? 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you say in your book, quote, toxic judicial confirmations, which these days look more like partisan punching matches then tests of legal acumen and personal integrity have contributed to that loss of trust. so have the ideological vote counts and many contentious cases. the public apparently believes that supreme court justices vote with the political party of the president who appointed them, rather than from neutral legal principles. let me ask you, do you think this started getting bad after the bush v. gore decision in 2000? and wher

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