couldn't be higher. the president and they'll former president, one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27, nine live on and now, the hbo original series, "real time with bill maher." ♪ ♪ thank you. appreciate it. how are you doing? hello, people. how are you out there? all right all right. thank you very much. you sound happy, thank you very much. glad to see that. i think i know why you are excited today. the supreme court just made a ruling, a good ruling. they got one right. they said if you like your abortion pills, you can keep your abortion pills. that's right.talking about turning about the morning after pill actually there i guess somebody was after pill. i guess somebody was considering getting rid of that, but they said, look, we took away roe v wade, but we obviously need something where we can't abort a child. when they said it, they were looking directly at lauren boebert. >> [ audience reacts ] of course, there was a dissenting opinion on the court, it alito's wife made a >> [ cheers and applause ] >> the supreme court, they got one right, that is good, but the same day we found out clarence thomas had been following this story, clarence thomas takes a lot of gifts, which i don't think you are supposed to do that as a judge. they tallied them up now, it came out know, but i tell you a clarence thomas has come a long way. i remember when he used to find pubic karatay on his coke cans and now, he finds them on chris dobbs. i'm telling you, he has taken things a long way. so, they got one right, and then they did this, the supreme court. okay, so, this is about guns. in 2017, remember, there was a vegas shooting? well, i stayed at that hotel one time. okay, it was horrible. trump was president, and ban bump stocks. do you know what bump stocks are? it is this gadget that you put on a rifle and it turns into a machine gun. there is no other way to say it, it is a machine gun, it fires incredibly fast. okay, so, trump bandit, now the supreme court has overturned that, they overturned the modifying your gun. think of as your gun is transitioning if this upsets you and you are liberal, don't think of it as modifying a gun, think of it as your gun is transitioning. >> [ audience reacts ] trump and this! trump is the one who banned the bump stocks. and somehow, the second amendment loving fans and supporters, it just shows it is not about politics anymore, it is just about the cold.hair in conference tomorrow with blue hair and a t-shirt that says "trans women are women," and they would go, he has a good point. but today is donald trump's birthday. very exciting, isn't it? listen to this, a congressman, republican congressman from florida introduced a bill to rename the ocean for trump. well, not the whole lotion that would be ridiculous but but, yes, a part of the ocean, they want to rename for donald trump. i live close to west hollywood, and this is the gayest thing i have ever seen. and of course, it is father's day, sunday. where are yeah i want a >> oh, father's day. yes, a 5-year-old makes a painting and you have to pretend you are proud of it as his dad. except in the biden family, when he is 54. yeah, i guess it was inevitable. hunter biden, he was convicted, they had his trial, it is over now and he was convicted and i do think they made some mistakes, maybe it would have gone this way anyway, but i just want to say, if you are going to have character witnesses and you are going to bring on the witnesses that are your ex-girlfriend and sister in law, try to have them be two different people. >> [ audience reacts ] >> but, it says a lot about justice in america and these two trials if you follow them. so, trump was convicted of falsifying business documents, hunter was convicted of lying on his gun application. i think it just shows that porn, adultery, election interference, guns, that is all good, but don't fuck with bookkeeping in america. hunters dad, biden, joe biden, our president, is over there for the g7 meeting and met with the pope today. i know joe is the gaffe machine, but the pope is the one -- did you see this? this homophobic slur for the second time now in two weeks. he did it, two weeks ago, he did it again. he said "faggetry.". this is getting embarrassing. and every time he says it, about 90 of the cardinals go, "yes, your holiness?" we have a great show, we have ana navarro and joel stein. but, first up, it is the cohost of the morning radio show, "the breakfast club," and author of the book, "get honest or die lying", charlamagne tha god is here. >> how are you? >> good. >> all right! >> i had to bring it out. you know, if you want to sell books, this is the place to sell books. you want to crack an egg. >> [ applause ] >> listen, i wasn't going to mention it, but -- >> what, the crack of the book? >> okay, so, i would have done that for you, but i read it, it is fantastic, you are a very good writer. i assume you do that all by yourself without help of another writer? >> that is not true. >> there is another -- >> yeah, yeah. do you want me to lie to the people? no, my guy, chris morrell, he helped me with all three of my books. >> it is a great thing to have a writing staff. you can steal the best things that come out of somebody else's mind. but, okay, the first thing i want to ask you, you are the man when it comes to -- when people want to ask what is going on in the black community, what does charlamagne say about it? joe biden went there last time, i am sure he is going to come back for this election. now, how did you get there? i'm not saying you don't deserve to get there, because i think you do, you are an honest person. but, what is your assessment of how you got to this place, where you are the voice? >> it is not more and i am not the voice. black people are not monolithic. i say things people disagree with, i say things people disagree with. but, whether people like it or dislike it, i think it is sincere. you know, with these elected officials, with these artists, all they care about is the audience. "the breakfast club," we talked to like 4.5 billion people per month. now, they're not coming to me, they are trying to pander to our audience. >> that is very modest. but -- >> we are nothing without our viewers, nothing without our listeners. >> and they have a choice of where to go and they go to you. okay, let's not fight about how great you are. >> my audience is the best. god is good and my audience is the best. >> i agree with one of those statements. >> oh, yeah. >> [ laughter ] you know which one. so, i know you are not going to endorse joe biden. >> i am not going to endorse anybody. >> i know, i understand. but, that is a way of indicating where your mind is on that. i understand, i don't agree with it. i am going to vote for biden, i have said it before if it is between trump and biden, i will vote for his head in blue liquid. >> like, whenever i have these conversations were come on these shows, i say the same thing about donald trump. i think donald trump led an attempted coup in this country, he wanted to terminate the constitution to overthrow the result of an election, and i am voting for democracy. when i say those things i just said, does it sound like i am voting for donald trump? right? >> well, why don't you just say it? >> i watch the show a couple weeks ago, i saw kindberg up here, kindberg said he doesn't support trump or biden and he is not voting. you didn't give no pushback on that, none. >> who said this? >> am i saying his right -- name right? white guy, republican? >> wow. i don't remember that dude, but i push back on that all the time. >> i remember it vividly. he said, i don't support either of them and i am not voting. >> my bad. so, i want to ask you about morehouse. this is the speech biden made at his graduation, the commencement address that presidents gives at morehouse. i guess it is not all black anymore, right, because i think that is against the law, but it was founded as an all-black -- >> an hbcu. >> right. so, what did you think of biden's methods -- message? it was very controversial. how would you summarize his message and what are your feelings on it? >> i don't think that is the time for him to be political. he should have been inspirational. it felt like a lot of doom and gloom. >> it was. >> it felt like, you should vote for me because if not, the sky is falling. and i didn't feel like that was the place for him to do it. i don't even think he should have given a commencement speech. what had -- he should be doing is holding town halls that places like morehouse college. instead of trying to talk to people, he should be trying to talk with them. >> so -- >> [ applause ] >> one of the more controversial things he said as he said to the graduating class that you have to be 10 times as good to get a fair shot in america. can i read what -- if you listen to the podcast, i think they are great on this. lauri said, i think it is the speech you would have given in 1974, 1984, but not 2024. the border, for goodness sake, can we please admit that time passes. i remember my mother saying that in the '70s when it made sense, but it is simply not true anymore and we should liberate that. do you agree with that? >> i don't know if it is 10 times better, but maybe five. >> come on. you think you have to be five times -- >> yeah, when you are black in america, absolutely. >> in 2024? >> if you are black in america, a woman in america, a black woman in america, absolutely. >> i think that is a lie. >> why? >> because i don't think that is america anymore. let's talk about caitlin clark, similar to that. >> absolutely. >> there is a lot of controversy because she hasn't gotten a big welcome in the wnba, which is only 20% white. here is the las vegas aces star, asia wilson -- >> south carolina, by the way, 803. that is where i'm from. >> i know you are. >> best woman's player in the wnba. a'ja wilson. >> maybe now? >> no, two mvps. >> i don't follow women's basketball. i don't apologize, i don't follow college, i don't follow watch of sports. i just followed the big three at playoff time. >> gotcha. >> but, she said, a lot of people may say it is not about black and white. she is talking about her and caitlin clark and caitlin clark getting such a big hoopla. it really is that you can be top-notch at what you are as a black woman, but maybe that's something people don't want to see, they don't see it as marketable, so it doesn't matter how hard i work. really? do you think that is right? i mean, i would say the three biggest stars, most untouchable stars are oprah, michelle obama, and beyonci. so -- and serena williams, simone biles, lebron james, michael jordan, i mean, come on. >> caitlin clark at the tangible quality that nobody could quantify. what that is is the ability to put asses in seats. you don't know who is going to be at the draw and who is not going to be at the draw. there are plenty of white women basketball players that have come through that have been great, but they just haven't been able to draw the type of audience that caitlin clark has and i think the other thing with caitlin, anytime you are a race that is in an industry that usually doesn't excel in that industry, it is going to be more of a spectacle. whether it is tiger woods in golf, whether it is eminem in hip-hop, obama in politics. when you are a race within an industry that usually doesn't have people from that race excelling in the industry, it gives people more perspective. >> you think it is a problem that this young woman -- there are so many examples where, i mean, black people are very marketable. and she seems to have been indoctrinated into this -- they don't see it as marketable, so it doesn't matter how hard i work. you think that is accurate or healthy? >> she has been in the league for six, seven years, she has two mvps, she won a couple championships, she is just getting this now. right? caitlin clark got a $20 million nike deal already as a rookie. so, how do you explain that? >> because this is somebody who apparently -- again, i don't know anything about women's basketball -- but, they said that she broke all the records in college. >> in college, yeah. >> i mean, when people come into the league and they are like the biggest thing in college, isn't that a big deal? >> a'ja wilson was the biggest thing when she came out of south carolina, where i am from. she came out as the number one draft pick and she didn't get all of that, so how do you explain that? >> you are saying that is racist? >> no, i'm not saying that's racist. i'm just saying i think a'ja wilson has a point. i think when a black woman says certain things, we should listen. especially her. >> no, no, no. but, why was serena williams such a big star? they didn't not watch her because she was black, right? >> yeah. >> okay. so, where are we with this? >> i don't know! i'm just sitting back, observing the conversation, you know? >> you are in the conversation. what do you mean? >> i'm not a woman. >> you're in this conversation. >> i'm not a woman. i guess what are you asking me? what is the question you are asking me? are you asking me if it is racist? >> is caitlin clark's success only because she is white? >> like i said, when you are a race that excels in an industry where that race usually doesn't excel, it is more of a spectacle. and the fact that she is actually really, really good. like you said, she broke the scoring record in college. but, more importantly, people watch her, people sit down in seats, they come to games before -- because of her, so all of that plays a part. i don't know why we are acting like it is one thing. it could be race, it could be the fact that -- >> in fact, it is. >> it could be all of those things. >> before we run out of time, i know you want to talk about therapy, your time in it, what you think is most valuable about it, and how you can get other people involved. >> oh, man. i'm just a big advocate for therapy. i started going to therapy in 2016 and it has just changed my life, because i think a lot of times, me, i was a person dealing with a lot of anxiety, dealing with thoughts of depression, trauma i had never dealt with. just sitting down and having conversations with people about it, just going on this journey, period. that is therapy. i have been to therapy, plant- based medicine, into meditation -- >> plant-based medicine? i think i am into that, too. >> bill, you are. you are. i have tried it all, though. weed, i have done micro dosing, i have done iowa oscar, but it is also just taking your shoes off, taking your socks off, walking around barefoot in your backyard. i call that grounding. >> and why do you think there is so much resistance that people have for getting into therapy? >> well -- >> is it a stigma? >> i think there is a stigma. my father is an example because in 2018 after i wrote my second book about me dealing with anxiety, depression, going to therapy for it, my father actually called me because he had read the book and i actually had a cousin who committed suicide that week. i remember my father told me, you know, man, i was going to therapy two or three times a week. i tried to kill myself 30 years ago, i was on 10, 12 medications throughout my life. so eventually, i just started giving him a check. i remember going to my mom and saying, mom, you don't got to do with all this. she said, i just thought it was plain crazy to give the check. that is usually what they do. they just throw money at the problems instead of trying to get to the root of it. but, if my dad had felt safe enough to have those conversations with me years ago, i wouldn't have thought i was just bugging out whenever i smoke sativa. >> all right. well, the book is called "get honest or die lying" -- >> that's right! that's right next -- >> great to see you. see you next time. okay, charlamagne! will now, we have our panel! hey! all right. so, the cohost of abc's the view, ana navarro is back with us. nice to see you again. he writes the weekly column, "the end of my career," on sub stack, the author of the book, "in defense of elitism". joel stein is back with us. good to see you, sir. okay, a quick programming note. charlamagne was kind enough to mention i do have a book out with this comedian, ted. it's okay. now, i do agree, i want to thank you very much because i interview authors all the time like i just did. we have a dilemma, i am now an author, but i can't interview myself. so, next week, i am going to be the guest because i am an author. and i said, could i get the greatest interview in the world? they said, no, not you, joel. i'm sorry. jiminy click is going to come back. so, you are not going to want to miss -- that is a very special episode, next week. okay. >> i thought you were going to have the pope. he is into comedians. >> so into them. >> apparently, you didn't get invited. >> to the vatican? no. but, i have been to the vatican, i was thrown out of the vatican. >> you were thrown out of the vatican? >> yeah. well, no, not actually. >> today, he said it is okay to laugh at god, so i think there is a chance that we might not burn in hell. >> i am glad we are starting off the show agreeing. so, this week was a good week for me. to understand, i am fed up with both the right and the left. i will tell you why, briefly, to you both, then we will get to them individually. the right, because they seem to be subverting the justice system and have no respect for either elections or verdicts. the left, because the palestinian protest campaign has seemed to enter its kristallnacht phase. i will explain that more later. but, let's start with the justice system, i collect the justice system is shaky at best. it will always be shaky even when it is good because it is run by people, but it is still better than watching if someone floats, right? i prefer it. but, here, we have sort of an apples to apples situation here with the two trials we just had. hunter biden, donald trump. i jotted down a couple of the similarities. both fairly victimless crimes, wouldn't have been prosecuted both of them, probably, if their name wasn't biden and trump. both obviously guilty of the actual crime they were accused of, both juries unanimously came back very quickly. the difference is that no democrat said, "this is rigged, this is unfair." whereas trump them almost immediately said, we are going to go after the people who prosecuted me. one side -- you cannot both sides this -- one side believes in elections and jury verdicts, and one side does not. >> i think both sides. >> really? wow. >> everything said about how these trials are the same is true, except one is a major candidate for the republican party for president who is leading the polls and the other is like his son. it is like comparing ronald reagan to billy bush. if hunter biden goes to jail, it is not going to affect the election. but, trump is. >> well, listen, i grew up in a republican party that used to call itself the law and order party. and what we have seen now is that they are somehow against legitimate elections and also against legitimate jury verdicts. we heard that donald trump can get a fair trial in new york because everybody hated him. we heard that hunter biden couldn't get a fair trial or wasn't going to get convicted in delaware because everybody loves the bidens. but it turns out, the jury actually did the right thing. the difference is, that the hunter biden jury is out there giving interviews. the donald trump jury is hiding for fear of their lives because the law and order party has got them in the crosshairs. >> so, the question isn't whether the jury was fair, the question is if we should have these things come to trial. if we have a country that brings every politician to trial for every lit