test you can put on the list as well. >> sanjay. appreciate it. thanks. the newest continues to source the kaitlan collins starts. now, see tomorrow straight to the source tonight at this hour, a potential shift in the presidential race as both campaigns they're preparing for the historic cnn debate and maybe a defining moment and also the constitutional holy war that just erupted in louisiana's public schools. >> the in commandments must now be posted in a big, readable font, will have a former louisiana teacher way in tonight, plus two nuclear-armed dictators take hey, thanks to a whole new level tonight. >> beyond the flag waving, waving pomp and circumstance, we're learning new details about the biggest international shakeup since the end of the cold war for i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source tonight, plans of attack are being hashed strategies are being set. maybe even a few traps are being laid. it is all happening behind closed doors as president biden and former president donald trump, or cloistered, were there teams and to different beach homes tonight, about 1,000 miles apart but both preparing for what is in arguably the most anticipated face off in years. the first presidential debate now, just days away right here on cnn next thursday night. one of them staying tight, lipped about those preparations that is squarely in the camp of the campaign. so i have to keep that there and i'm not going to speak in detail. it was about that of course, the first rule of fight club, you do not talk about fight club. >> the white house appears to certainly have gotten a memo. then there's the former occupant two seems more than eager to move back in get some ratings for the debate. they gotta get big ratings who have a debate coming up that'll be interesting judging by what he has been saying. >> the former reality tv host knows the value of something that he really hasn't gotten nearly as much of this campaign alive. national television audience in a race that has been remarkably stable polling highs, at least tonight, there has been some movement. biden, actually inching ahead of trump and a brand new national poll the race of course, is still very much within the margin of error. and this is just a snapshot of where we are right now. >> but notably, biden is ahead of trump and that fox news poll for the first time since last october. of course, there's no clear leader in this race, which means the stakes for next week could not be higher for either camp here. >> and both campaigns are clearly eager for that matchup biden's team marked the juneteenth holiday by tearing into trump's quote, flagrant racism. and trump on the other hand, maybe realizing that he himself has set the bar too low by constantly painting. biden is confused and senile is now trying to manage expectations in really what can only be described as the most trumpian way possible joe biden doesn't have a clue. >> now we're going to watch is anybody going to watch the debate these going to be so pumped up, he's going to be pumped up. you know, all that stuff that was missing about a month ago from the white house what happened? somebody didn't pick up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cocaine. i wonder who that could have been i don't know actually i? >> think it was joe i can't even believe i have to fact check that one. >> i guess if that's what you're calling it, but it was not president biden. anyway, my political sources tonight are the former mayor of new york, and onetime debate opponent of president biden bill to block z0, also the former deputy campaign manager for ron desantis is presidential ron david pulley and ski and see it in senior political commentator and navarro, it's great to have you all here. in this new poll. >> it's pretty interesting. it's nothing groundbreaking, but we're watching every movement here and it shows a three-point changed since may where biden is up. obviously, it's its margin of error, but is we're tracking fox news pull the new york times poll. i wonder what that says to you, and also what it means for what president biden needs to do on thursday night next week. >> well, first of all, i really envy joe biden because it's just such a wonderful opportunity to have a strong, aggressive game plan and go in there and mix it up with donald trump. just look them in the face and calm convicted felon 20 times. and just tell him to his face. yeah. you took away a woman's right to choose. you know, you've owned that publicly, how you feel, but there's just get right up on him. and i don't think trump handles that. well, i think biden can be really feisty, really strong. look, i did debate against him and he has a great common touch he has the ability to elevate and get intense and focused. and i think it's interesting that trump is consistently trying to lower expectations because i think they painted themselves into a little bit of a corner here having said so many times, joe biden can handle a joe biden's about to handle it and get a great advantage. one more thing the polling months and months of trump extremism. months and months of saying things that moderate american's just can't live with. that's what we're seeing. that's having an impact. >> what's so interesting is we sometimes hear from democrats and access is reporting this today about a criticism that the biden campaign is focusing too much on democracy in that kitchen table issues like inflation we saw this in this poll today, the top two issues in this fox news poll and say that voters, to voters are the future american democracy and the economy both of them yeah, i don't know why pulls thank and why some strategists think that the american public isn't capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time of worrying about their pocketbook issues and worrying about democracy. and i don't understand how you don't worry about democracy when you are constantly hearing trump and the people around him talking about retribution and revenge that would worry me tremendously as somebody that might be the target of his revenge, that worries me personally but it worries me for the country as a whole and look at this. i'm so glad he's no longer on trial that he's been convicted. and he's no longer on trial because he's now out on doing rallies and speaking publicly. and every day he says stupid things. if he's not talking about sharks, he's talking about batteries are windmills and today accusing joe biden, who doesn't even drink alcohol, unlike me, about being a cocaine addict for the love of god i lead david. >> what do you make of everything? what we're seeing in these new polls? >> well, look, i think at this point when these two candidates faced off at this stage of the race, joe biden was up by almost nine points and so as we hover on national polls talking about it within the margin of error, that's actually a really tough sign for the president right now. more importantly, when you look at the real clear politics average across all the battleground states they're not seven battleground states anymore. they're really three. and that's the firewall for the president, which is the rust belt, michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. and right now on the real clear politics average, trump's ahead and all three of those states. so i think the debate next week is almost a make or break moment for the president. yes, it's an opportunity for sure to stand on the stage and make the differences that the american public needs to hear. but more importantly, he's got to shift the narrative because the race is not in his favor. and right now, there's not a path, you republicans keep editing and cutting and splicing videos and making him look like a completely senile decrepit, old man. >> and i think they're doing themselves such a disservice because they've made it so that if joe biden shows up at this debate and doesn't die behind the podium. he's had a good night. >> well, that's a look. we saw that in the state of the union, it was the same thing there. he. >> had set the bar so low and your right we had the same thought about the videos that we've been and saying and then if he gets up there and he's not wander and often, what would they say, but you've actually been on the debate stage when president biden your lilly preska, the table, who could do can say that. >> what do you think he needs to do besides going after donald trump there there's that image from from 2019 and august. >> i'm sure you remember it. well, in detroit what i think he needs to do besides calling donald trump, a convicted felon, as you noted look, he has a chance to change this race by bringing home american moderate voters. i really believe that, and this is why, although i agree with you, if you look at the polling, you could be particularly concerned right now. i'm the first to say we're all having greater doubts about polling than we used to. certainly since 2016. and this is different. this is the fate of democracy. this is the future of global stability. i look, i agree with honor. i think a lot of americans can keep multiple ideas in mind. what's happened in the last few months is convicted felon more extreme statements, even than ever before. i mean, this cocaine example, this is normal now for donald trump to throw anything out there joe biden as an opportunity to not only be aggressive, strong, clear in his message but presidential. and i actually believe in the very uncertain world, americans want a stable, sane present. i think biden wins this debate and then from there you see that stead improvement in the states we need. >> so that's what you think biden to do. >> i mean, you prepared governor desantis to debate donald trump had never actually happened. of course, with all of them on the other same stage. but what was if donald trump had showed up, which was kind of a willie won't eat question at the first one. what was the advice for how to deal donald trump of the debate stage? >> well, look, i helped senator cruz with debates in 2016, donald trump is a very difficult man to debate. he's unpredictable he can. be volatile. he can also be incredibly charming and disarming in many ways and in this debate, he has the benefit of going in and not just having to make it about personalities. he has the opportunity to compare his four years against joe biden's. and no matter what side you're on, you got to recognize the economy and inflation are not in a good place for americans today, where we're waves the best economy in many ways. hold on. i'm not belittling inflation, but as an overall economy, this is a very strong american economy were actually leading the world and economy that voters care about right now, i actually think phaedrus do care about jobs and thank about families. a lot of jobs. i agree. we haven't inflation challenge, but i would caution to you, i think joe biden can take the donald trump. the one thing donald trump doesn't do well with is someone being aggressive with him and staying on the offensive. >> i think that's to a degree that's fair. but i will say this when you look at the cameras out to people that are hurting back in their houses tonight and figuring out how to pay their bills. can they afford their first home with interest rates being so high? that is what they care about them. just as importantly, you're talking about global, the global stage over the last four years, russia invaded ukraine. we saw russia enter a packed a mutual agreement packed with north korea last night, you've seen hamas attack israel. the world is unstable right now, and that's a tough spot to be, is it incumbent? >> and i also think we have to we talked a lot about trump amnesia i think i hope joe binary minds the american people where he found us he found us curled up in our beds, locked up in our houses in the middle of a pandemic. when donald trump was telling us to inject bleach, took years. and so i hope that some of these trump amnesia that we're also referring gets cured by joe biden next week. yeah. in terms advantages on immigration and the economy have shrunk, actually still house one in this poll at least, but it's shrunk since, since earlier this year, just getting real people are actually thinking, who do i actually want in that white house? and donald trump gets scarier all the time. the things he says, the things he does next week. >> so important. yeah, that's gonna be fast as thing that could've happened to donald trump. >> is that trial had lasted five months and he would have been stuck there in a freezing room and new york and not spewing out stupid stuff on a daily basis, might not have been freezing in the heatwave, but we'll see that's pretty bad at navarro, mayor who david polio as gay, great to have all of you here coming up here tonight on source louisiana make history today because actually became the first and only state that in the nation requires the ten commandments to be posted in every classroom in a school receives state funding is it constitutional? we're going to explore that question with our legal experts. also troubling new details about russia and north korea and their new partnership the former director of national intelligence on how the military alliance impacts us night cnn celebrate juneteenth with special performances by john legend how do you you build mulkey robinson? 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as an educator? so i mean, is this the kind of bill that they want the governor and legislators in the state to be focused on? or is it is it other things that could that could help you help teachers in the classroom? >> yeah. i think if they would put in place adequate pay scales and work on our homeowners insurance problem that would be a much better use of their time, then focusing on these culture war issues that are maybe trendy nationwide, but they don't make a difference in our life every day. that ten commandments poster isn't going to make sure that my kids that i have at the next school i work at are gonna go home and have something to eat so if it doesn't make our lives better in a meaningful way, i don't know what the point is of spinning our tax dollars and time on that to yellow-brown. >> it's great to have that perspective from someone who was actually in a classroom for 12 years. >> thank you for joining me tonight thank you for more on the legality aspect of this. is the governor said he was expecting challenges to this i want to bring in elie honig, who is seen a