rec i learned thoughts on capitol hill hello. everyone, and welcome to the amazon for our haiti is where we're headed dispute new world order as outcast dictators press the flesh and pyongyang. >> how will america's next president challenge this anti-us axis? >> biden and trump insiders make their case. >> from my archive flashback to when the star spangled banner was played in north korea in a bygone age for musical diplomacy. also, these hours, the doctor who saved the hamas leaders life. and what he learned about yahya sinwar. >> here's willing to sacrifice even 100,000 palestinians in order to ensure the survival of his rule, then the palestinian struggles through the eyes of an award-winning author and feel as human rights champion and legendary designer, diane von first berg on rockstar three sons, and taking charge. >> i just don't understand the concept of being intimidated by your age. i think it's a victory welcome to the program, everyone, i'm christiana amanpour in london, and we begin with the outcast dictators club the foreign policy crises facing america's next president. >> nearly a quarter century since his last visit, russian president vladimir putin was back in north korea this week for a splashy display of mutual cooperation with dictator kim jong on. putin needs north korean arms for his ongoing war against ukraine. kim wants russian cash military technology, and political legitimacy in return the visit comes at a critical time in the shifting world order as the anti-us axis, russia, china, north korea, and iran uses every opportunity to undermine american leadership whoever wins the presidency in november faces a daunting presidency in november faces a daunting checklist of foreign policy issues. so this hour we're asking people in the room how trump and biden would navigate these troubled diplomatic waters. in a moment, i'll speak to ambassador david satterfield, a career diplomat who was one of biden's special middle east and voice and the former ambassador two turkey. but we begin with robert o'brien, who was trump's national security advisor from 2019 to 2021. in our exclusive conversation, i began by asking him what a trump administration would have made of the putin kim summit well cortana, it's obviously very concerning because the north koreans have that massive amount of artillery shells and are providing those to the russians who are killing ukrainian. >> so then our partners and go or who are solidly behind ukraine and it's a very concerning situation. so i just want to read from your op-ed basically, you said about biden, china's summit's. >> this is a policy of pageantry over substance meetings and summit's or activities not achievements. but when i spoke to the former south korean foreign minister, she said that the trump kim summits were very similar, that they was a lot of pageantry, but very little impact i spoke to earlier this year take a listen to what she told me. >> this is a continuation of a pattern that began after the debacle of the 2019 hanoi summit between the united states and north korea. after that, they immediately went back to launching the missiles and that has picked up speed, more frequency in the recent years, this is the typical trump leadership on these issues swell, but very little follow up. and as support from the working level. >> so what do you say to that? because this could come up again and there was hope that there could be a resolution of a lot of problems when trump met kim jong one, but no follow-up even at the working level, does that trouble you yeah. >> i would disagree with the foreign foreign minister eye on that front. i mean, keep in mind christiana, when president trump took office, president obama told them that this is gonna be be the most difficult foreign policy question he faced. the north crow is busy to testing nuclear weapons. are, there are launching and testing long-range icbms and missiles could reach of why maybe the west coast, the united states and president trump took a piece of through strength approach to dorothea. we will remove the carrier battle group in the yellow sea and put a lot of pressure on the north koreans. and when they realized that they weren't gonna get away with it, they changed tax and then we had some chromosomes diplomacy with them keep in mind they promised to did a nuclear eyes as they progress and new nuclear program on the peninsula. now that did in fact end up happening, but keep, keep in mind, there was no nuclear testing during the entire trump administration because we've showed strength coupled. >> now they have continued their, their military testing, their military threats, and they are now huge supporters. some say that putin would not do very well without north korea or iran. so this sort of axes has built a lot, has been said about what trump might do, say, et cetera. he's already said that he has a brilliant plan to end the war in 24 hours, et cetera do you believe because some of the things he said leads people to believe that he would encourage ukraine to essentially sue for peace his well present serve as never recommended. i've never heard him say that we should given to put in summands. no one is on board with that but we've got all wars end around a table and we have to recognize that. but right now, the russians have no incentive to come to the table vladimir putin thinks he's winning the war. he thinks time is on his side. you criticize the biden admitted distraction or the obama administration and other europeans for not being strong enough after 2014 and many, many would agree with you. do you think that trump administration should would you recommend a lot more weapons to ukraine, the kind at once, a lot more thans to ukraine, the kind at once, a lot more anti-aircraft air defenses a craft, long-range artillery, the kind of stuff that actually makes a difference in this kind of war. while we should've gotten that equipment at the beginning, remember the polls want to send their megs to ukraine and it was a biden administration that stopped them from sandi that makes the ukraine so absolutely we, should give, no weapons. they need to defend themselves into end a fight and wind. but the real thing is a half measures on the sanctions. but if we put heavy heavy-duty sanctions on the russians, on their oil sales, that might be enough to bring putin to the table. and i think that's what president trump has in mind. >> all right. >> so then the question is, who does trump identify more with there is a big, body of thought that he identifies with these strong men, people like putin, people like xie, let me just read you and i'm sure you've read this before or had it read to you in 1990, president trump, then he was donald trump gave an interview to playboy magazine. >> and he basically criticized me ciao gorbachev, who was the common of the soviet leader then for failing to hold the soviet empire together, not a firm enough hand. and he simultaneously praised the chinese communist leadership for crushing the student uprising at tiananmen square. >> they were, they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength is what he's said. so there is a real concern in the democratic world about the impact on democracy and the thriving of autocracy in this kind of strong man behavior under a second trump administration were carsharing. we've got four years to show why we have pmos to charge salam trump. >> we have no invasion of ukraine. we had no oh, massacre in israel, no invasion and israel taiwan was safe. we ended the war against the isis with a rare victory in that war. we had a piece seals and the middle east with the abraham accords and europe with serbia, kosovo with healing the golf rift in the gulf. so i think people can look the world as it is today and look at was four years ago and say, is it was a world better off, am i better off now? 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to the future christiane, i think there's no question that the limited response after the annexation of crimea led putin to believe that he could make further advances on the territory of ukraine or elsewhere without significant challenge from the united states and the international community that was in retrospect, a significant error with respect though to the approach to ukraine after the russian invasion, the administration engaged in quite extraordinary and almost unprecedented campaign prior to the invasion of making very clear to the world privately and publicly that we knew exactly what putin was planning to do. >> but i can tell you this the intent of the administration was to avoid if at all possible, an escalation with a nuclear power. russia that could involve directly the united states, the wisdom or ill wisdom of that. again, is a matter of four historians. the point is, the us is now robustly supporting ukraine including in a very selective fashion of the targeting of those facilities in russia that are being used for specific attacks on ukraine. >> what can an american administration do to make sure naught is doing right now? >> well, the approach that has the greatest chance of success is a multilateral one night outer unilateral one. it is assembling and then sustaining a coalition of parties who do have influence with p on gang to the extent that any country or combination of countries do in that very unique place to make clear that there will be no support for the economy, no support for or legitimization for a korea's banded behaviors. and that's the term you use banditry. this is a regime which gauges and behaviors not just at the level of ballistic missile challenges or nuclear programs that go beyond the rest home of international conduct. let me turn to the middle east or your area of most recent specialty. >> and when we had oslo and there was that grab been are there was the king of jordan? there was, yes. arafat, there was a period in which it appeared that all the convening powers and the parties themselves were on a certain route. now that obviously didn't last. it didn't and it failed, but the latest several years have been, i guess, the end of the been i guess the end of the obama administration and then whatever happened in the trump administration, essentially, there was almost no engagement on the palestinian issue do you think that a second. any future american president can avoid putting the palestinian issue at the center of israel's need for security of the desire to have normalization with saudi arabia as well as the uae, et cetera. christiane, i think it's critical that any u.s. administration pursue two courses in parallel one is to continue to underscore as this administration is doing, that a two-state resolution, a credible pathway to a two-state outcome through negotiations has to be the overarching frame in which ultimate security well-being of the quiet miracle of a normal life as bill clinton spoke to, uh, can be achieved. but at the same time their needs to be a strategic vision for the region as a whole. you've got to pursue both the palestinian israeli course and the broader regional course for stability and peace and finally, i read out to robert o'brien a few quotes that donald trump, when he was just a businessman, had made to playboy. >> in other words regretting that gorbachev at the time was to softer soviet leader the chinese, who crushed tenements square actually got order back. i just wonder whether you think president biden's mission to bolster democracy against the autocratic world sustainable now and how you would rate it given what we're seeing, for instance, in europe, right? we're seeing these latest elections favoring quite a lot of the far-right extremists christiane, the message that democracy not demagoguery that the advance of human interests in human values, not a resort to fear and fear mongering is the best way forward for the world, not just for the united states is a message that has to be repeated. and 80 years after d-day this is an even more profound message that freedom democracy is indeed the best course for the world, because the alternative has led the world into tragedy, into haar too many times in the past ambassador david satterfield. thank you so much, indeed. >> thank you. >> and when we come back, something completely different rockstar three sims and no regrets. woman in charge, diane von furstenberg, extraordinary life is being captured in a new documentary she and the director join me we come back the assignments are going off the tornado here you cannot outsource this you cannot outrun it really is a terrifying experience. >> it is nightmares you just hear it and feel it is in my throat or brain i'm thinking i'm going to die. and i thought that was it. >> earth with we have schreiber tomorrow at nine on cnn knew i see have pro massaging bone, easier to grip the massage and the power of two max strength pain relievers works he makes it less new. i see how pro massaging boehm nine out of ten people don't get enough fiber bennett fiber is the easy, gentle solution for every day. it's plant-based prebiotic fiber nourishes good bacteria in your gut, working with your body to promote digestive health with so many ways to enjoy bennett the fiber is your fiber, your way at fisher investments, we may look like other money managers, but were different. >> how so we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interests. so we don't sell any commission-base d products, then how do you make money? 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