against new state efforts from coast-to-coast to further restrict abortion access. three conservative justices, the chief justice john roberts, justices brett kavanaugh, and amy coney barrett, sided with the court's three liberals in today's unusual ruling, but and it's a very important, but they did not settle the big legal question at issue whether federal guarantees i've emergency medical care supersede idaho's effort to impose an almost total abortion ban. instead, today's decision dismiss the case on procedural grounds. the newest member of the court's liberal faction, justice ketanji brown jackson, warning this is far from over writing. this. today's decision is not a victory for pregnant patients in idaho. it his delay while this court donalds and the country waits, pregnant people experiencing emergency medical conditions remain in a precarious position. the ruling comes just hours before president biden and the former president donald trump debate right here at cnn's world headquarters in atlanta, where we know abortion access will certainly be an issue. let's get to the policy first on the big decision i want to bring in cnn's joan biskupic. can carolina kitchener of the washington post, karoline. let me start with you. what changes, what changes right now, the walk us through the decision and how it impacts women's health today in idaho and potentially beyond this decision does. i'm very limited temporary relief for doctors in idaho. they can now provide abortions number situation. but the big news is really no news because the rest of the country is just in limbo. doctors in anti for some states across the south and the midwest, they were waiting for this decision really hoping that they would get some clarity on when they can legally provide abortions and when they can't. and there was no clarity provided to today. so now they just wait and it's very unclear when they will know so as they wait joan i just want to put up a map that shows you some of those different restrictions in the two years since the dobbs decision of different states are imposing different restrictions. the orange color, the reddish color you see on the screen, there are the states with the most restrictive, essentially abortion bans with some limited exceptions. so jonas karoline noted, this is essentially a procedural issue, so the court is punting what will it take? i assume this issue comes back. abortion rights forces and abortion, abortion foes will now try to find a better test case. is that right? that's right. and they will and justice ketanji brown jackson took the dramatic step of reading portions of her dissent from the bench. this morning to point out the difficulty here. she broke from her living real colleagues here. and of course broke from the dissenters who were siding with idaho essentially saying this is such a politically expedient compromise at hand here. and i have to say john, it really had the the markings of something that chief justice john roberts would have pulled off that removes abortion from the courts play temporarily. and in his very hot political year. and of course, right on the same de, as cnn debate. but it does mean that women are at risk and that's what justice jackson pointed out. she said that she noted that women who go to emergency rooms with a ruptured uterus or other complications from a pregnancy. and who are not just right at death's door, cannot be, could not be treated in a place like idaho unless the justices had at least put a pause on the idaho law. but john there as your map show, there are at least 14 states that ban abortion. several others that have serious restrictions and this to litigation is playing out playing out in so many other jurisdictions. and what justice jackson said, which is the truth while the court delays and her word was dongles here, there's just a lot of uncertainty for women and for physicians who frankly some of these statutes just really have strong criminal penalties. ties for physicians or anyone else who would assist in an abortion in idaho unless it were to prevent death. now that law is now on pause, but just to remind everyone that the supreme court in january had let that law take effect. so this court had seemed poised to let that loss stand, but in the end, there was a compromise between liberals and conservatives, not including justice jackson for sure. that just said we're going to, we're going to postpone joan biskupic, karoline kirschner. thank you so much for the reporting on the big decision today. now the political conversation with me here in atlantic are remarkable group of reporters and analysts. and let me start a christian, i just want to start with you when you get a decision like this, we know in the two years since dobbs this issue politically at the ballot box has almost without exception, benefited the democrats. this is a punt, but it's a very personal issue if you're a woman, especially who lives in a red state life life-and-death issue, it's a can i can i get access to this treatment in my own state to have to go somewhere else. any sense of what this does to the current political debate. >> for the most part, this is an issue that very few voters say is their top issue, but that doesn't mean it's not important for an awful lot of voters. it's the sort of thing that is almost a deal breaker issue. it's the kind of issue that a voter says if you're not with me on this, it's hard for me to pull the lever, push the button for you in november is where this will have the most potential effect is think about that map that you put up earlier. a lot of those states where abortion is very heavily band are pretty red states. they are not places where republicans are at significant risk of losing out, but there are states like georgia, like florida, where there are more strict restrictive policies in place. and it could complicate things, especially with a state like this and georgia being so crucial to the present so we will see what we here tonight, right? >> eight hours from now, plus a little bit. the two candidates via the debate stage. so we know this is already a big issue with the campaign and the president, i'd say it's joe biden is going to say we are having these conversations, these debates, these court cases, about 15 weeks, four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks, about emergency medical treatment like case the adequacy will say we're having this for one reason and one reason only donald trump's picks for the supreme court. here's the president and then his rivals. latest response about states rights, about women's rights donald trump is worried voters are going to hold them accountable for the cruelty and chaos secret it's now up to the will of the people in each state. some states will be more conservative. other states will be more liberal, just about all the democrats and all the republicans and conservatives and liberals say you wanted it that way, and we did something that was amazing. >> kaitlan collins, you know, from your own reporting, the president i'd say, thanks. this issue was a loser for republicans will say that a debate stage. and i thought what i did was amazing. >> we'd never seen him tested on this issue in this way before. one, we haven't had a presidential debates since roe versus wade was overturned every time donald trump has been questioned on abortion, he's dodge for deflected. and so this is going to be the first time it will be so fascinating to see how he does handle it. because if you go back and watch the debates in 2020, it was before amy coney barrett was confirmed to the supreme court. she was confirmed by the senate four days after that second debate. and so it'll be fascinating to see how he talks about it because he's gotten in certain ways where he understands politically it is not a winner with the people that he needs to win over. he's got everyone else already in his camp. they're not on the fence of considering voting for joe biden. and so how he defended who he tries to appeal to tonight. that's the thing to watch and whether he takes full ownership of the three justices that he put on the court proudly. so was he bragged in 2020 about that ability and about his judges, how he handles out tonight will be one of the biggest things to watch on what's been fascinated. >> but the last two months is the consistency the former president and has had on his message when asked about this, where you played is some form or fashion of that answer about getting get back to the states is the only thing he says. and he really gets challenged with follow-ups are multiple follow-ups. and if even if he does, he says states again and again and again joe biden the president and his team will need to draw him out. and on some level, the decision today the opacity and the uncertainty is the point. i think when you talk to democrats, the fact that blue states sure they can do their own state restrictions of state laws or however they want it to be. but when you look at both what the president can do himself in office via executive authority and you look at the fact that so many people, so many doctors, there's an added that biden campaign just popped with an obstetrician from idaho talking about how this all happened. very personal stories, drawing trump out on that and making him have to face those types of questions i think is a key priority for them today so if you look, crisp, notice, is this a quick poll? and again, you could give more than one answer, one of the big issues you want to see important to your vote preserving democracy, the economy, the supreme court on abortion are right there. three and five, when you look at it like that a step and you're out, you're traveling and talking to voters in life. it can be about a specific issue, or it can be kind of you who's on your side in a certain flight or what do you trust trump or biden if it's future supreme court picks or in this now state-by-state, who knows over abortion rights. i think it's right that this is kind of a signaling issue about kind of where you stand. but the other place i would ask that this could matter. it's a place like arizona. i was just there there's going to be an abortion referendum abortion-rights referendum there. and on november can you see democrat, democratic groups already trying to create a coalition of democrats, liberals, even kind of libertarian folks. we think the government should stay out of this issue as a means of driving energy he, from the top of the front. that's not there at the top of the ticket. i think when you talk to state directors, when you talk to people on the ground, they mentioned this concept of reverse coattails that maybe biden isn't going to draw hi enthusiasm going down, but maybe what's happening on the local level and then on issues like abortion actually fuels by them. and drives enthusiasm and places where he hasn't done that. and so i think that's another place i would add for us to look in november it's particularly in the swing-state like arizona, where the margin was so small in 2020, this abortion rights referendum on the ballot can actually be something that brings democrats much needed enthusiasm that we are currently not seeing at the top let's take it. and i think in georgia, i mean, here we are it is a key swing state, 11,779 votes as we all know well, because former president donald trump asked for them to be counted his way. >> but look, talking to voters here this week, this is one of the, if you look at the swing states in the upper midwest, michigan, wisconsin pennsylvania, they have democratic governors and largely have already had at least one say on the abortion question. georgia voters have had a governor's race, yes, but this could be and energizing factor a motivating factor for democrats here. so it does matter state by state by state. however, tonight, a former president who for years ago said, who says it's on the ballot, abortion. now we know it is on the ballot it is definitely on the ballot. can he also say, look, the supreme court had a 6-3 ruling today. it's not as draconian as you think, state-by-state might be more palatable to sunday people. so we will see, but i'm with kaitlan. that is one of the most fascinating things we're going to hear donald trump try and navigate here. he's been really walking a fine line. we'll see how he does it tonight and it's both the substance of what each candidate it says, but also the tone, how they say, do they say with empathy to they say it to reach out. you mentioned the blue wall states essentially the trump won in 2016 and biden took the back in 2020. i want you to listen to to voters. here was a young voter in michigan, college age voter. this issue is very important to her, but so is israel-hamas and she's wrestling with this. she's a democrat show has to be provided but she says the hamas thing, asserting that a pennsylvania voter who voted for nikki haley in the primary, he's a reagan republican, but he's having a really hard time with trump we are certainly not safe because no state is safe from a national ban. >> and that could be our reality if donald trump is elected this year. yeah. so no, i will continue to remind people about abortion as a very important issue. >> worsened is going to be a big thing in this election i'm an old guy it's not a choice that i have to make. that's a personal thing and i don't think we can just rule it out michael pacey at the end, there has $5. he says, not my call. that's their call doesn't think the government should be involved in this. the idea of a national ban is that on voter's minds is, is that a potential split point where biden can score points. so it's a split point within the republican party. i mean, the challenge that trump is facing on this issue is the democrats are very united. they believed that the precedent set and roe versus wade should be reinstated, that abortion should be protected across the country. and for republicans, some believing a national ban, some don't, some believe in 15 weeks is where the line it should be drawn. some say six, there's no consistency on the right and now you're also seeing this debate bleed into things like a debate over ivf, a debate over contraception, things donald trump does not want to have to talk about tonight, but perhaps i'll laugh too. well, we'll see if the president compressor that's our point when we come back tonight, donald trump, joe biden will be in the same room for the first time. since 2020. i had some fresh reporting on their final debate preparations and the big issues abortion and beyond. we know we'll trigger debate the clashes the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash. the cnn presidential debate tonight at nine live on cnn and 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jake tapper posing the questions to men who don't like each other. making history tonight, a former president trying to get his old job back in debating the man who took it from him. the national polls tell us this is a very close race. now, inside 19 weeks to election day, the battleground state polls though tell us there's a slight but real advantage for donald trump. when it comes to assembling that path to 270 electoral votes according to one new poll, more than 70% of voters plan to tune in tonight. so goes without saying every moment could matter. cnn's mj lee is here ahead of the president in atlanta, mj, the president scheduled to get on air force one a little bit later this hour for the trip south, what are you hearing about the final debate preps and final strategy? >> well, john, it really is calm before the storm right now, the president is still at camp david with only a few of his advisers that are still there. and it's unlikely that there would be any mock debates today or over the last week, we've really tried to do a lot of reporting to try to get everyone inside camp david in all of the days of debate preparations tons and that's not just us being nosy political reporters. the reason that we have cared about all of the details down to what the team has been eating, who has been playing, who in the mock debates, all of the issues that the biden team has been preparing for is because it all comes together to try to capture that full picture of what the biden team believes is really at stake tonight. and the biden team's debate camp ethos has really come down to leave nothing to chance because every issue that they have been preparing for, every version of donald trump that they have been prepared thank four. they've gone to these lengths because it all comes down to the fact that they believe tonight is really the best chance that president biden has to make his case to voters. and that includes voters who have really not been tuned dan voters who 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