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Voicing support for the withdrawal from afghanistan. They issued Commune Keays on the threat proposed by china and russia. This is ahead of the meeting with Vladimir Putin and the buildup is tense. Joining from us brussels cnn White House Correspondent Kaitlan Collins and clarissa ward. Kaitlan, first to you, swe expected to to start ten minutes ago but as expected sometimes these run behind. What will we hear from the president. I think there are a lot of questions about the Upcome Summit with the russian president , because really there have been so many moments of the trip, the first trip abroad since taking office. That really is going to be the defining meeting. And the white house is fully aware of that. I think what people are looking to is what they thinks he is going to get out of the meeting with putin. They are not holding a joint Press Conference. He justified that by saying he doesnt want the review of the meeting based on how the Press Conference looks and whether or not one leader, putin tries to embarrass the other. And so i think what youre seeing happening today, while meeting with the nato allies is not just that reassuring presence, its not donald trump, or talking about china. But its also talking about what he plans to say to the russian president in his meeting. And in his sitdown. Because there have been nato allies questioned why he is having the summit right now. And so president Bidens National security adviser Jake Sullivan says he was talking about what he intends to discuss with the russian counterpart in the meetings happening right now. He also expects to solicit advice and get input from the turkish president , they expected to Exchange Notes on the russian leader. It remains to be seen what we will see out of the meeting with russian leader in geneva. We didnt get a readout of the meeting with the turkish president , after the press was aloud in you only heard President Biden saying the meeting went well, but no details on the turkish purchase of the russians Missile System or the pullout of afghanistan, several topics to discuss, including the fact that they really only talked once before the meeting happened. There are a lot of questions for President Biden when he comes out to the Press Conference any minute from now. Clarissa, tell us more about that, what would have been expected from the erdogan meeting. It sounds as if erdogan of turkey has changed his tune and tone lately. Why is he doing that . Right, i mean, just one month ago president erdogan was saying that President Biden had blood on his hands over Weapon Steals to israel. President biden called erdogan an autocrat in the past which is a big difference from President Trump who welcomed him to the white house and said he was a good friend doing a fantastic job. We definitely see a different tone from the turkish leader. Part of that is the turkish economy is in free fall and Lira Plumting and they need to find areas to work on together with the u. S. I think it was expected from both sides there would be a consilliaer to tone. The u. S. Has called armenia a genocide. As kaitlan mentioned, the russian s 40 Missile Defense system on the cards. But not expected to be a confrontational meeting. I think both sides wanted this to be a matter of fact, finding areas of consensus where the two countries can Work Together moving forward. Yeah, kaitlan, obviously turkey and erdogan are lets call it unique figures in nato because of that relationship with russia, but also because of u. S. Military resources in turkey. Talk more if you would about the tone, about the u. S. Tone approaching erdogan as they prepare now for the meeting with Vladimir Putin. Well, thats where they have a lot in common. Actually they could fine areas of potential agreement. Because thats been a big question. And the joint agreement that was issued earlier today by the 30 member nations of nato talked about that, because one big part of that has been security at the kabul airport, how thats conducted given the afghanistan pullout. Thats another topic, another layer added to the conversation about these areas where they disagree obviously on a lot of them. But also as clarissa noted Turkey Needs Americans hope and america wants to know turkeys intentions what the security looks like and funding looks like for the airport. And you saw the Secretary General talking about earlier. And you heard President Bidens top aides saying it was something they brought up in the meeting. Were waiting on a readout or what President Biden says about it at the Press Drchs About what the determination of its with. This is broadly something a concern that is for several world leaders. We know they discussed afghanistan earlier. We were told by Administration Officials all leaders agreed essentially on the final outcome of that. But the question of how to get there and withdraw forces is a big topic. Not everyone was on the same page with President Biden when he announced the withdrawal and how it was going to be conducted. Yes you see people welcome President Biden, the diplomatic touches that were not here when President Trump was in office. But there are still divisions beneath the surface. There is focus on the President Biden putin meeting. But the g7 as a whole the other things they are dealing with, the coronavirus, global pandemic, brexit, of course, nato. Obviously President Biden has a different take on nato than President Trump did. He certainly does. And that was reflected and felt very keenly today. The nato Secretary General Jenns Stalten Rk said it felt very different meeting with President Biden than it did with President Trump, of course, who famously derided the northern atlantic alliance. Otherwise we heard from the spanish Prime Minister who called bidens election an inspiration, and said he was seeing the beginnings of biden delivering on the promises. But kaitlan is right there is a lot of disagreements between Member States about issues, particularly the issue of china. It was interesting, this is the first time nato delivered a communique talking about china as a systemic challenge. But there is a lot of difference between Member States in terms of some states like the u. S. Seeing china as more of an adversary and others see china still as an important partner for cooperation. We heard from stalten berg on that topic saying china does not share our values, singling out 9 crackdown on the Protest Movement in hong kong. Grs surveillance procedures by china. And the targeting muslims in xinjiang. There are areas they dont agree on everything. But i would say the one thing they are clearly united on is the sense that russia poses a major threat to the 30 Member States, and great attention needs to be paid on working together to ensure not just in the runup to the summit but in the future that the countries act together in unison to form a robust defense. That again, stoltenbergs words, saying we will respond to the threat with robust defense and dialogue. Certainly a different feel this year. Remember that President Trump at the first nato meeting shoved the Prime Minister of montenegro to get to front of the pack. This one called a crucial organization. Kaitlan, clarissa, thank you both. All right, later this afternoon. Attorney general mark garland will meet with new york times, washington post, to talk about the controversial seizure of data by the Trump Administration Justice Department. The web widens. We know that trumps doj secretly obtained records from don mcgahn, in an effort to track down leaks. Ag garland said the Justice Department will strengthen existing rules regarding seeking congressional records. Democrats now demand that former trump attorneys general william barr and Jeff Sessions testify under oath. With us to talk about this is our senior legal analyst. He will li hoenig. Lets start with the beginning, the predicate. Do we know what the predicate was to begin these subpoenas and the gag orders and everything . We do not know right now. And there are so many questions here. The first question i would have is what was the basis to start the investigation . As a prosecutor, you have virtually Unlimited Power to issue subpoenas. However, good, responsible prosecutors wont do that without what we call predicate. And we need so know what it started because they had specific cause to think there was a crime . Were the members of congress and media swept up in a larger case or targeted for political reasons . Thats the first thing we need an answer to. Then of course the question is who gave the greenlight . If something this broad youd expect people up the chain would know about this. Who knew, when did they know . How were they told . Normally in a case like this you have to notify the Deputy Attorney general, the attorney general. If im a prosecutor and my case comes across members of the media, members of the congress, you are required under doj policy to send notice up the Chain Of Command as soon as possible. We know that Jeff Sessions, rod rosenstein, bill barr said they didnt know about it. I find that hard to believe. We need to to know who did know, how high did it go . Why the gag orders . Is that commonplace . Is that unusual to have the gag order and this level of secrecy. Its alarming and third thing we need answer to. Why the secrecy . The reason we find out about it now its been under sale. Doj went to the courts and said we have to make sure the people we subpoenaed barbara starr, eric swalwell, the phone kompanys, apple you cant tell them that require a special court order. Doj going into courts and say please keep it secret. Why was that done, renewed several years . Thats the next big question. As we learned in addition to journalists members of congress and staffers and families. Now we learn about don mcgahn. How broad is this the things we dont know . This is a question for Merrick Garland how many other cases are there . There could be many other cases still under gag orders. Gag orders could expire in two weeks, six months. If oom meeting with geroux Merrick Garland im telling you need to do a review, look for gag orders imposed in any case relating to congress or media. We need to to revisit if the gag orders arent necessary. Go back, ask the judge to lift the gag orders. We need to know quickly. How do we get the answer sns. Two ways. First of all, the Justice Department Inspector General announce the its opening an investigation. Thats important. But remember the iq, inspector jeshl cant force people who dont work there to testify. Bill bavr, Jeff Sessions, they cant force them to talk. The bigger impetus falls on congress. Weve heard rhetoric and Chuck Schumer and other members. Demanding accountability. Lets see if congress is willing to follow through. Will they subpoena bill barr, Jeff Sessions . And if they resist Will Congress Go To Courts . I think they need to and do it more quickly and decisive to get the testimony from don mcgahn. Barbara starr khannens Chief Correspondent wrote a striking oped on cnn. Com i suggest you read it. About learning what had been executed to try to get information from her emails and from her phone logs as well. Lets listen to barbara earlier today. As i stand here today, both cnn and myself, we have no idea why the Justice Department snuck into my life. They went in secret Court Proceedings last year, went after some 30,000 of my emails and phone records. And not just my work email, my work phone, but they went after my personal accounts, my personal email. And my personal phone. And weve talked about how rare this is really. But from a personal account now to know that the government was searching through your accounts, it was striking to hear her describe after finding out. Barbara said it perfectly. This is why you have to be careful as a prosecutor. These are real people with personal and privacy interests you have to respect especially when the person is a member of the media. And the families. Yes. And their families. To hear barbara talk about the violation this was, her personal accounts. And by the way, the adam schiffs family, don mcgahn, the white house counsel. The scope of this en a to involve Family Members even minor Family Members, that feels like a violation. If i had one more question, alisyn, it would be why so broad . Why over 100 subpoenas for 10 oh different Phone Numbers and email accounts. Youre exactly right. Just think about whats in our cell phones. Parents phone number, siblings, phone number, spouses, kids phone number doj has a cleanup job. Were hearing more about this every couple days. Well see what comes out elie thanks so much. Thank you both. A special coverage of President Bidens overseas trip. Of course as you see we are waiting for him to speak at the nato summit. But well look at whats happening at the president s agenda to with, the agenda at home why he preaches democracy overseas. New concerns about the delta coronavirus variant, when and where medical experts say it could cause outbreaks next. I was drowning in student loan debt. I was in the process of deferring them, paying them. Then i discovered sofi. Completely changed my life. Lower interest rate. My principal is going down. 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