awesome show, sean. [laughs] >> sean: enjoy it, everybody at my expense. >> laura: fine, with you tomorrow. i'm laura ingraham of this is "the ingraham angle" from washington. what a show we have. florida governor ron desantis. newt gingrich, candace owens. after screaming about former president trump's efforts to challenge the 2020 voting results, the democrats are now trying to steal a twice certified house seat in iowa. the republican in their crosshairs is here today. first, fauci unmasked. that's the focus of tonight's angle. on day 367 of 15 days to slow the spread, we know for certain these three things are irrefutably true. number one, lockdowns do more harm than good. never two, states with mask mandates haven't done better than states without them. there's a heck of a lot a public health officials and politicians who seem to be enjoying this crisis. when people are scared and uncertain, they look for reassurance and solutions which usually come from faith, family, and friends. but when covid hit, they looked to anthony fauci. but when covid hit, wow. ego tripping became his newfound celebrity and power. he started contradicting his own pronouncements, most notably on masks and herd immunity. he can find himself usually to friendly venues where he dispenses guidance not driven by science but by a desire to terrify and confuse americans. >> at minimum, wear a mask, okay? make sure you wear a mask. you wear a mask. he wanted to fit better. one of the ways you could do it if you would like to at least a cloth mask over, which here and here and here, you can get leakage, it's much better contained. that's all there saying. >> laura: but every now and then, fauci can't avoid facing someone who actually know something, like dr. rand paul. >> dr. fauci come in a recent british study, david wiley and others found that no symptomatic reinfection's from covid-19 after following 2800 patience for several months, our virologist at the la jolla institute concludes that the amount of immune memory gain from natural infection likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized, severe disease for many years. given that no scientific studies have shown significant numbers of reinfections of patients previously infected or previously vaccinated, what specific studies do you cite to argue that the public should be wearing masks well into the 2022? >> i'm not sure i understand the connection of what you're saying about masks and reinfection. we are talking about people who have never been infected before. >> you're telling everybody to wear a mask whether they've had a infection or vaccine purity for not spreading the infection, isn't it just theater? you have a vaccine and you're wearing to masks, his in that theater? >> here we go again with the theater. let's get to the facts. the studies that you quote look at in vitro examination of memory immunity. >> what can you point to? there are no studies that show -- >> let me finish. >> laura: infect "the new york times" reported on a major study out of denmark. it found that out of 11068 people who tested positive for covid during the initial outbreak between march and may of 2020, only 72 of them tested positive again during the second wave from september to december. that's a 0.06% reinfection rate. the times noted that protection from symptomatic illness was likely to be higher. the danish analysis included anyone who was tested regardless of symptoms. at this point, it's pretty much beyond obvious that if you had covid, you're extremely unlikely to get it again. even fauci knows it's impossible to argue against the evidence on this point. >> i agree with you that you would very likely have protection from wild type for at least six months if you're infected. but we and our country now have variants that are circulating. >> there is no evidence that there is significant reinfection after vaccine. i don't think we have a hospitalization in the united states after the two-week period after the second vaccination. >> you're not hearing what i'm saying about variants. we are talking about wild type versus variants. >> what proof is there that there is significant reinfections with hospitalizations and deaths from the variants? >> laura: proof? ouch he can't handle the proof. he is used for softball interviews from his cable fan boys with furled brows who naturally rushed to his defense. >> if somebody is gone both vaccines, why does that person need to wear a mask question rick >> exposing vaccinated people to the virus you could inspire more and more mutations which is something you don't want to do. masks will be recommended. >> the only theater was what rand paul was doing in that hearing. >> laura: i like those glasses. i don't care what anyone says. the fact is we are approaching herd immunity in the united states. if ouchi knows this and knows there is no data to counter the mountain of evidence. so he resorted to his favorite new talking point. >> we don't have a prevalence of a variant yet. we are having one -- can i finish? we are having one it's becoming more dominant. >> policy based on conjecture. >> laura: it's actually worse than conjecture. it is blatant dishonesty. the fact is the variant that fauci is referring to is the u.k. variant. it is already in the united states right now. was there any evidence that it's causing a new wave of infections? certainly hospitalizations, deaths, no. the opposite is the case. nationwide cases are down 15% over the last two weeks. likewise hospitalizations fell 21%. that dropped 32%. after unpacking the science on why all the hype about reinfection and variants is bogus, senator paul took fauci to task for his duplicity on vaccine and masks. >> you've been vaccinated and you parade around into masks for show. you're defying everything we know. you should be saying there's no science to say we are going to have a problem from the large number of people who've been vaccinated. >> let me state for the record that masks are not theater. masks are protected. >> if you already have immunity, you are wearing a mask to give comfort to others. >> laura: rand paul is 100% right. forcing americans to wear masks who been vaccinated or already exposed to the virus is really more about domination and control than anything else. it is certainly not about science. the same can be said about forcing children to wear masks. the cdc is recommending that kids as young as to wear them. let me say it plainly. keeping toddlers and masks is abusive and it's cruel. i know what you're wondering. did fauci offer any evidence to rebut senator paul? well, you be the judge. >> i totally disagree with you. >> laura: okay, this point i begin to wonder when the ref was going to call the fight but he threw in the towel. >> the point that senator paul was making was that if you look at wild type only, there is some clear-cut credence to what he is saying. but we are living right now in a situation where were having a dominance of 117, the original u.k. >> laura: there we go with the variants again. before you start bubble wrap in your body and putting on ski goggles to go to the grocery store, there is no evidence here or in england that the new variants are more deadly or that the vaccines don't offer some protection against them as well. this exchange showed us two things. number one, there should be mandatory retirement age in the federal workforce. number two, interviewing a powerful person who wields outsized influence requires knowing the subject matter and the willingness to ask a follow-up question. it wasn't just anthony fauci who was schooled by senator paul. the american media was as well. and that's "the angle." joining me now is someone who has been hammered for bucking dr. fauci in the medical herd mentality, florida governor ron desantis. governor, great to have you on. today you convened a roundtable with the authors of that great barrington declaration which the show has highlighted. why did you think that was important? >> well, laura. we are in a situation in florida. we vaccinated almost 70% of our seniors, over 3 million seniors. as you have said the trends in the u.s. are generally positive including in florida. it was important to take stock. it's been a year. there's been different policy approaches. which approaches have been successful? in florida, we followed a strategy to focus protection on elderly and vulnerable people, having the economy open, having schools open. the result is our unemployment is significantly less than the national average. our covid mortality per capita is less than the national average. and we have 100% of the parents that have the ability to send --send their kids to school. that approach was the right approach. the lockdown approach where people are constantly feet over the head with these directives where you have massive unemployment, you have to close schools for a year and some of e places. not only has it been absolutely destructive to those societies. the covid results per capita have been worse in places like new york and new jersey and pennsylvania. these are some of the top experts in the world being able to validate that florida's approach was the proper approach in the lockdown approach is a failed approach. >> laura: paris just announced tonight that they're locking down down for another month. germany is still in lockdown. paris and other parts of france also going into lockdown for at least 30 days. governor, not everyone's happy with your refusal to allow local control on things like mask mandates. i am talking about the mayor of miami. watch. >> the governor has taken some decisions. i have been very public in terms of my disagreements and maintaining local control. particularly fining people for not wearing masks in public. i have to commend him because he did take some decisions that were courageous in the fact of the matter is the economy is relatively open and booming. >> laura: even your critics tend to give you props for your handling virus. liberals in your state are annoyed because they like to be masked up and they like to do mask shaming. tonight will you give them just a little space to do some more mask shaming in your state, governor? >> well, a couple things, laura. we have local governments that do certain things but the reason why some of those places are booming is because i came in many months ago and said every floridian has a right to work and every business has a right to be open. you can't close people down. as soon as we did that you started to see those places really thrive. i also think just generally speaking and this is true going forward, health guidelines should be advisory. it's totally fine for health departments to recommend certain things. but you should not have these things be mandated. you shouldn't have science. heck, there are some places in the u.s. where they actually could throw you in jail for not wearing a mask. give me a break. we believe in the advisory nature. you're not allowed to lock any buddy down or shut anybody down. >> laura: yesterday announced the state civics curriculum. i want to play a key moment. >> let me be clear. there is no room in our classrooms for things like critical race theory. teaching kids to hate the country and to hate each other is not worth one red cent of taxpayer money. >> laura: you were blasted today by the usual suspects. diversity consultants and so forth. they are making big money across the country lecturing in schools. your reaction to their criticism? >> i absolutely welcome it because i don't want our curriculum to be politicized. it's not about smuggling in your political agenda. it's about teaching floridians, florida's use, the foundational principles of our country, teaching them about some of the great folks throughout american history but not to try to pit some americans against the other and not to run down our country. we are not going to use taxpayer dollars to do that in the state of florida. >> laura: governor, great to see you. thank you so much. traveling with kids is hard enough, we bawled on that. the owners covid mandates of committed a complete nightmare for some families. the family was kicked off a spirit airline flight because their 4-year-old son was not wearing a mask. carter is nonverbal with autism. the family even had a medical note stating that carter was exempt from mask mandates due to his condition. doesn't matter. carter and his father were removed from the flight anyway. carter's parents join me. thank you for being here. cameron, as i understand, the airline has reimbursed you. did they offer any other form of apology or explanation? >> not at all. they refunded $180, movie 25% of their total ticket. nothing towards having to get home. >> laura: what happens when your son has a mask placed on his face if you've ever tried it? >> that's what i was fighting them about. we have sensory disorders. very much autistic. he just freaks out. he just doesn't understand and he has meltdowns. the panic will cause him to go into those meltdowns that you saw the video he will harm himself so that's what we were trying to avoid. once he gets on the plane, he's fine. he loves it. >> laura: callie, you weren't on the plane but as a mom, and a someone who, you deal with difficult circumstances often. oh, there he is. oh. of all, i just want to play with him. i just want to hang out with you guys. i forgot i was doing the show for a second. callie, timmy his reaction is a normal reaction. o, i just want to play with him. as a child, being constrained by a mask, it's tough for any child. how does this make your family feel that apparently you're not going to be able to travel under certain circumstances. i guess there will be an exemption coming forward by the federal government in some period of time for cases like this. are you supposed to not travel on a plane? >> not traveling for us is not an option. cameron is from utah and i am from arkansas. our families live on opposite sides of the country. that's why he was there the first place. we have actually flown spirit pretty much every single time that we have flown because it was inexpensive. kids friendly. and they never had an issue with his mask. we went to las vegas twice last year. >> orlando as well. >> it took him to nasa. we all were a mask. was safe. but carter can't. not traveling didn't even cross my mind ever until this whole issue. >> laura: let me understand. cameron, or other passengers complaining to your knowledge? >> there was a lot of other passengers that stood out for us but there was no one really complaining about him. one of the things that i was talking with our attorney about was we went to the front desk where you have to talk to someone from spirit to check your bag and no one said anything. you go through the airport and security, no one says anything. he's running around in front of the gate, no one says anything. it was one lady in particular at the gate that just did not -- >> laura: apparently these rules don't apply to the biden administration. you saw john kerry on the plane without a mask but he was just eating although it didn't look like he was eating. it's very curious. we are not understanding what's happening here. it's completely on acceptable. callie and cameron, i hope you get to travel and i hope your son gets to travel in comfort. thank you so much for being here tonight. it turns out when you repeatedly call the country systemically racist like the left does, our enemies turn around as we predicted and use it against us. newt gingrich joins us on the biden team disastrous first meeting with china. i'm greg, i'm 68 years old. i do motivational speaking in addition to the substitute teaching. i honestly feel that that's my calling-- to give back to younger people. i think most adults will start realizing that they don't recall things as quickly as they used to or they don't remember things as vividly as they once did. i've been taking prevagen for about three years now. people say to me periodically, "man, you've got a memory like an elephant." it's really, really helped me tremendously. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. >> laura: are we are going to get to the latest from the border but we want to hit some breaking news. the angle has warned the left when you disparage the u.s. is irredeemable and systemically racist, what's going to happen? our enemies are going to use that against us. fast-forward to tonight. anchorage, alaska, side of the first face-to-face meeting between biden team and chinese officials. how do you think it went? it started off a bit rocky with chinese officials alleging america is a human rights hypocrite due to its mistreatment of black citizens. here is newt gingrich. should anyone be surprised that after he said this about ourselves, china would turn around and say don't lecture us? >> it's been a very weird week for the biden foreign policy. not only in alaska did he have the chinese break the agreement, go on a 15 minute tirade when they had committed that the opening statements would be 2 minutes. i think it shook secretary of state blinken. he thought he could rely on the chinese to follow the rules which is totally naive and at the same time you have pulling back the russian ambassador of the united states and publicly challenging biden to debate. you have the russians and the chinese confident they can be an offense against the united states, those are very dangerous signs about how bad the world could get in the next five or six months. >> laura: in a million years with the chinese have pulled this on a delegation that included bob lighthizer, mike pompeo and any of the other top officials in the administration? would they ever have pulled that? >> no. we know they didn't pull it because president trump operated from a position of both moral strength, economic strength, and military strength. they follow the reagan rule which is that if you're strong enough then the other person is going to negotiate with you because they have no choice. but if you're weak, particularly have to recognize china is an expansionist nation. they say it every single day. xi jinping, the head of the chinese communist party, is very clear that their goal is to replace us by 2049 is the leading country in the world. at the same time, putin has a kgb agent has said publicly the collapse of the soviet union was the greatest tragedy of the 20th century. you have people who deeply deeply disliked the united states and when they sense weakness, they look at a biden administration where his son was getting money. we also told things are going on. the contempt they have for the american governing class is a must be on her understanding. >> laura: newt, i want to turn to the border crisis. this is the white house press secretary. she said two weeks ago about the administration's approach. >> we don't take our advice or counsel from former president trump on immigration policy which was not only inhumane but ineffective over the last four years. we do really? "new york times" reporting that the biden administration is quietly pressing mexico to curb the stream of migrants coming to the border. newt, is it them saying that we need to reinstate the remaining mexico policy that biden acted? >> their core policies is so crazy and out of touch with reality, so deeply believed by their most intense activists that they have to pretend that the world can work with totally insane policies. gallup warned us two or three years ago that up to 65 million people would like to come to the u.s. if the border was open. 65 million. not just from central america or mexico. to think you could take down everything trump was doing, the common sense steps keeping people in mexico while you verified whether they were allowed to have asylum, having a wall that really worked. take