>> sean: and welcome to orthelcome to hannity. we are broadcasting live north of atlanta, georgia, where ingi, just a moment, we are going toin hear from the republican- th governor of florida, the democratic governor of the great state of california,a the first ever debate right here on the fox news channel. we will do our best to giveeq equal time to each governor, we will limitli answers to 60 s seconds.h a a 32nd time for rebuttal. let me start by introducing ron desantis, gavin newsom. thank you for being here. really appreciate it.ou i know p both of you personally. i know you are very busy. i know you love your individual states. you have a love for your country as i do.ere where we are, we have never been of this divided in a long time. there are clear differences in yourprof approach to governanced before we begin, one quick note to all of you watching at home. i am the longest running prime time cable host.in i am in my 28th year at fox. i am a conservative. however, tonight i will be. moderating this debate. i will not be part of the debate. our questions will come from well sourced, fact centered perspectives and you will see the questionsof will deal with the most fundamental issues, the ones that impact the lives of the people that make this countryf great.fl the people in florida, in california, every state in the country. we will discuses, s taxes, the economy, immigration, education, parental rights, gas prices. things that impact you every d day.t stlet's get started.ha t there is a phenomenon across c country. americans are leaving blue states in droves in favor of red states. these numbers california has lost residents of othe750,r sta. during that same two-year period, you gain 454,000 residents. governor newsom, you won the coin toss and you chose to have governor desantis have the first word. you will have the last wordou tonight. i will ask what your responses this. it is a simple question. how do you explain this phenomenon? phenonwhat is going on. >> if i was in the navy, i got order to go to southern california and i was a lifelineo co floridian.was i went there and this was one of the most beautiful places on earth and california has more naturamorel advantages than any state. yomostu have to try to mess california. that is what gavin newsom haen h done. hevern is the first governor toe population. ut othey ran out of u-haul's in california because so many wereh leaving.re he has imposed restrictions on his people while exempting himself from those restrictions and going to the french laundry while his people were sufferingd he led the country and schoolsc hoclosures, locking kids out of school while hrivae had his own in private school in person. he is good at spinning these tales, at being slick and b lislippery. he will tell lies to mask the failures but the reality is they have failed because of hisand leftist ideology. the choice fors america as this. what biden, harris, and newsome want to do is take the california model and this country must choose freedom over failure. >> it is good to be with you. b ite is nice to see you in a ti. good to be with you, ron. i am impressed and grateful. i it is an important occasion. it impors important folks watcht and they are probably wondering what we are doing here. i will tell you why i am here. i am here to tell the truth about the biden-harris record and comparord e and contraste ron desantis' record andan the republican party's record as a point of contrast that is different as daylight and darkness. you want t back too bring us baa pre1960s world. you want to roll back hard-earned national rights ontq voting rights, civil rights, women's rights, not just access to abortion, but toep contraception. you want to weaponize grievance yofou are focusing on false separateness. you are on a banding bench, a cultural purge, intimidating and humiliating people you disagree with. you and trump are trying to light democracy on fire.rofo there are profound differencesc tonight and i look forward to engaging. there is one thing that we have in common. neither of us will be the nominee for our party and 2024.g >> great openingov statement. you did not address the issue. can you explain this migrationir out of california and going toin red states. >> the last two years, more floridians going to california? >> that is going to be fun to fact-check. california has no peers. california dominates. it is the fifth largest economy in the world. we dominate. we dominate in two-way trade, research and development, more scientists , researchers, morestat nobel laureates than any other state in the nation. the highest system of higher education. we dominate green tech and high tech, artificial intelligence.nk iwith respect, it is angy interesting campaign strategy to be bashing a state of 40 million americans when california simply hawents no peers. >> that is a slick way of nott answering your question.ge you put out a lot of left-wing g platitudes. i talked to people who have flori m california toal florida.y why would you leave california.t it has the h best weather. one of the things i did, i was talking to a gentleman. >> i am going to let the debate breathe. let's take turns. >> i was talking to a fellow wh made theto move and he was tellg me florida is better governed, safer, better budget, lower taxes and he is happy with the e quality of life and he said by the way, i am gavin newsom's father-in-law. w we do count his in-lawe s as soe of the people who have fled and come to the state of florida. why are we getting people toyo come? we have a 50 year low in the crime rate. we have had a 45% decline in homelessness. we bac k the blue. i was walking the streets of san francisco and i had some oaf the cops do a beeline to come to me and i didn't know what they were going to say and they said i want to thank you for standint for law enforcement.forn we don't get that support. they understannderd florida is g it right and i can tell you the numbers speak for themselves.mo gavin cannotve say the opposite. more people are leaving california then moving. >> let's talk about crime. you said a lot of things wereu a factually untrue, which you said should not be used. i asked you twice, you don't want to answer.io the issue why the migration out of blu,e states. >> more floridians come into california in the last two years. it is a fact. >> moving on. your states have vastly t income tax rates. e the facts.'s california, 13%. hydra married couple, in california, earning $84,000, they have a 6% income tax in california. florida's rate is 0% across all salaries. it goes beyond income taxes. property taxes are lower in. california. everything elshinge is higher. let's look at the numbers. the average property tax in california, sales-tax, california, 7.25%. florida, 6%. gaths tax rate, 77 a gallon.ti it is up to $1 when you include mandatory fees and florida it is $0.35. corporate income tax, 8.84%. this is your question. y yoouu support a different philosophy, higher taxes. >> holighed on. d this is a different approach. i agree with you. he is one of the most aggressive tax rates. the number three most aggressive state in america. it means who does he tax? he taxes low income workers more than we tax millionaires and billionaires in the state of is california. who are you for? it is a factual lie that the is state of california high tax han the highest tax rate. hasbut for whom? it is a fundamental difference. you look at texas, overwhelming majority of texans pay moree ta taxes than the state of california. it is who you are for. those values matter and i appreciate you bringing up the issues of taxes. >> g>> how many people leave fla to go to california because thee pay less taxes? they come to florida because they pay lower taxes. we don't have an income tax andn california has a higher sales-tax than we do. i will give gavin credit. he did admit, he is joined at the hi p with biden and harris.iden he thinks they have done a greai job. he thinkonoms the economy is wog and they are not. what california represents is the biden-harris agenda on steroids. they would love to get four mork years to take the california model nationally. that would be disastrous forwsom working people.t wo >> they pay more in your statein than the state of california charges for billionaires and millionaires. >> you have $6 or $7 a gallon gas. you are going to force everybode tory buy an electric vehicle.ho how will thew y afford those? f the thing about california, they have one o of the highest inequality rates. they have silicon valley and wealthy people. a lot of people on government assistance but they have hollowed out their middle class. they go to arizona, nevada. biden is hollowing out. >> i have a follow-up question. let's talk about bidenomics. it is a fair point.ia >>te 14 million jobs, ten times more than the last three republicans combined. >> the jobs were because of the cove is locked down.d are me? as he talks over me, i will talk to the american people. the lowest black unemployment in american history. the lowest unemployment for women in 70 years. the lowest black poverty rates in history. that is the agenda. as you smile and smirk over there, you should know this, here is a guy who is celebrating bidenomics this week, celebrating $28 million that came into your state because of the chips and science act.plan one of the most significant plans since fdr. i am of proud of the work theye done. >> the 6% rate on people, families, couples in california, they pay 6% income tax on $84,000. >> low-wage workers pay more. >> he is spending lies to cover. >> california has lower taxes, lower than 32 states for working families in the middle class. significant lowemiddr taxes.n: d >> you support a 6% income tax. >> people in his state pay more taxes in the low and then we tax people on the high end. >> how does $7 a gallon for gas. help working people? how does paying an 8% sales tax help working people? they have the highest taxes in the nation.pe people flee to be able topo savn money to get out of californiato and you have people who moved to the states, their dollars go further. they want to take this and they want to double dowthn on this fr the next four years.ex how many people art e able to afford groceries now compared to three or four years ago? >> i talked to a woman who had a car full of groceries and they are ringing it uanp and i got to be so expensive she ha up.d to e stuff out.t thatus didn't used to be the cak people use to work hard and get ahead. that is not true under joe joe biden. california's unemployment ratee is 60% higher than florida's. our unemployment rate is 2.8%. it is a command and control: it economy. they have a political agenda they are pursuing.k a >> it is important. that affects everybody. >> the biden administration, th- last three years. 3.9%. >> i thought this was state versus state. >> this is about the united states ofof america. >> you will not admit it. r >>ig i am going to move onto the next question. the unemployment rate in florida right noridaw is just 2.8%. s california ranks seconecd worstn the country at 4.8%. this question goes to governor desantis. >> they taxed too much, regulate too much, they have a political agenda. f hy have lost a lot o companies. they have lost a lot of s to texas because they are not doing a good job looking out for folks and creating a gooden business environment. i have people who come tow, florida and they tell me you s to succeed in florida and they feel like whelin they e in california, they don't wantws ombusiness to succeed. >> is that what disney is saying? >> i had disney opened during covid and we saved a lot of jobs. you had them closed for over a year. you are not following science.wg you are a lockdown governor. you did damage to your people.dl more kids locked out of school for a longer time in california than anywhere else in the w country. it was the middle income kids.co his kids were in private school, in class. he locks people out because of the teachers union. itcher will never cross the teat union.opreal >> let's talk about covid. you passed a declaration before the state of california did. you close your beaches, bars, b restaurants. you haeachesd quarantines, checs all over the state of florida. w i didn'tay say that. donald trump laid you out onhe that. you followed f science. he followed science.ue. you followed -- you are promoting vaccines. you even wore a mask in september. if it is sea okay with you, why don't we do this where we can both have an opportunity. >> i am trying -- he did all of that until he decided to fall prey to the fringe of his party. as a consequence, tens of thousands of people lost their lives. the equivalent, if i had your policies, ten 9/11's. and for what?>> >> those are lies. the lancet did a study.er florida had a lower standardized covid deat h rate.on "one more thing," the e other thing we had, california had higher exces hs mortality. let me talk about the excess mortality.ys. it is other things. >> i want everyone to be heard. i want this to breathe. i want it to organicallyo develop.th i need both your cooperation. i don't want to be a hall monitor. you mentioned covid. let me g.o to covid. i plan to bring this up later,en but you took differentes a approaches as it comes to covide you issued the first stay-at-home order on march 19tt 2020. governor desantis, you tooook k heat for reopening schools inch florida inoo august 2020. here is the data.ta this is where the factnts come . your state's death rates almost identical. >> factually untrue.n: o >> both of your states, with different approaches were both lower significantly lower thany the national average.mb these numbers comeer from the c. how do you explain that? >> per capita death rates in the state of florida were 29%. they were 29% per capita higher. >> tens of gov thousands of peo. >> heople put the graphic up th. don'e.t lie about it. >> you were a lockdown governor. >> and he is running away from his record, running away from tensthe facts. 29% hired death rate versus the state of california. >> the stats are very clear.or california andid florida basicay the same. why is thaist important? gavin newsom did damage to people in california.pe he ruined livelihoods. we reopen the statned e and savd thousands of jobs. thousands of businesses.sc we had our kids in school. gen that is having a generational i impact. california the is one of the lot literacyn th rates in the count. florida came in number three., facalifornia was behind.houl you should apologize for not getting your kid s in school. i why didn't youn get the kids in school and 2020 like we did? you didn't do the job you shoulu have done. >>have one at a time. quick answer. >> ron desantis for the tens of thousands of lives that died unnecessarily. >> and finish your thought. >>a when it comes to the issuee schools, bs e careful. you had more losses than the state ofit california. here economy attracted more inov 2020er.a morein to come on this topic. >> more to come on this debate.h >> next segment, ie guess. >> we have a lot to get to. a l many important topics includingn one issue where you might find agreement as we continue the blue state red state debate. we are lies. thank you for being with i us. n. ♪ ♪ -- we are lies look. thank you for being with us. blendjets legendary black friday sale is here, get our best deal ever on the game-changing blendjet 2 portable blender. its the perfect gift for everyone shopping list! even that picky relative who hates everything. and dont forget the accessories! theyre all on sale! dont wait! our most popular colors and patterns will sell out! go to blendjet.com and take advantage of our black friday sale now! ♪ ♪ >> welcome back to hannity. n we continue our blue state andat red state debate. let's move on to the issue of borden's. joe biden's message to immigrants during his campaign was let them come.si since taking office, he has said he has gotten control of thedent border.n- kamala harris, thepierre press secretary have all said the border is secure or the border is closed. the border patrol says they have been a record 6.5 encounters with illegal immigrants since president biden took office. the administration says they don't know how many are in the countryy illegally. >> i believe it is your turn, have the american people on the issue of borders, they aree bosaying the border is secure, closed, those are the numbershe from the border patrol. are the people being lied to?: >> the administration put out a comprehensive plan day one when he got sworn into office and the republican party did not touchru it. they play politics with us. there is probably one person iet would not listen to on this topic more than the guy i am standing next to, ron desantis. n.when he was in congress, he supported amnesty. when he was in congress, he supported the bill.fals you supported obama's efforts. >> false. >> the last guy you want to talt to on immigration.ion your policy can be described as m tha governor from the state of floridloria going into another state, the state of texas, lying to migrants, promising them jobs and housing and sending them tof an island and then sending them to a parking lot in sacramento, california. i met with the migrants you lied to. that gamesmanship, using human beings as ponds is disqualifying. a guy who stands here, who haseb been on the debate stageat sayig he is going to be tough and shoot people with backpacks, that he has a strategy to invade our second-largest training partner, mexico, who has a record of supporting amnesty and reforms under thortie obamae administrationsk, he is the last guy standing on stage talking about immigration reform.ig >> it is deja vuht with that flurry of lies.gu this guy says they are not lyino to the public about the border. they go to the white house briefing room every day and say it is secure. they are lying t areo you. we know that is not true.ehow gavin newsom is lying when he says i've supported thesehe things i, which i did not do. g he is lyinoig about what it is going to take to solve these problems. california is a sanctuary staten there was an illegal alien who wa s in l.a., in custody, a repeat terminal. ice wanted to take him to custody to deport him. l.a. refuses to work with them. they ended up releasing him on the street. he ends up murdering the mother of a 3-year-ol motd girl.es those policies are deadly. they d areo not work.e the martha's vineyarmad transpo, they said they were a sanctuary jurisdiction. whends me of gavin newsom he restricted -- they want to not have to face the consequences of their actions. the minute they have to deal with thef th consequences, all h breaks loose. >> we are moving to the next question. on the sam we are topic, this is important. some migrants want to come tofo america for a better life for t themselves and their family, find thehe american dream, i sympathize. many good people fleeing badbr oasituations. others are abusing the process and in the process, in search of where they are coming from, we are learning many are comingm so from some of our top geopolitical flows. they are not being vetted. look at these numbers between october 202, border agents encountered 6,386 nationals from afghanistan. 3,153 from egypt. 659 from iran. 538 from syria. 12,605 from russia and 26,113 from china.th e the next question goes to you. what are the odds that biden's open borders have allowed terrorists and terror cells unvented into thisvent country?t is that a clear and present danger to every american. >> of course our enemies willg o take advantage of this. he opened the border. he is knowingly having 8 million come in and yes, there are criminal aliens, terrorists, we have had tens of thousands of sentinel deaths. i have met a lot of angel p