it's saturday, november 25th, and you are watching velshi on msnbc. i'm charles coleman junior, filling in this weekend for my friend and colleague, ali velshi, and we have got a lot to talk about. we start off following breaking news this morning on day two of a fragile pause in the war between israel and hamas. today, we are expecting a second exchange of hostages and prisoners. we are waiting word on when exactly that exchange will happen, and how many hostages taken by hamas will be exchange for palestinian prisoners held and israeli presence. we are going to bring this to you, along with all of the latest developments with live pictures and reporting from how nbc news team on the ground in israel. but check in with that team in just a few moments. but first, let's get up to date on the multiple trials of donald trump, we are new developments this holiday week may have slipped under the radar. for starters, there is the ongoing legal battles over a pair of gag orders against the former president. now, in the new brief opposing the temporary pause of the gag orders in the civil -- case in new york, a quarter official with judicial threats, assessment, unit detailed the torrent of harassment that judge -- offered and his clerk have also been receiving. i gotta say that again, because it's a mouthful, and it is likely something you haven't heard of. that judicial threats assessment unit. the fact that you haven't heard of it is probably a good thing. but it is and it does just what it sounds like. it -- threats to judges, clerks, and other court employees to basically ensure protection and safety of all of these employees as they simply do their jobs. and now, the same unit is being called, in no small part, the former president of the united states can't seem to resist the urge to attack those who are simply trying to make sure that justice is served while he's on trial. let that sink in for a moment. the brief that was filed by the state attorney generals office noted that the close personal cell phone and emails have also been compromised. and as a result, quote, she has been subjected to, on a daily basis, harassing, disparaging comments, and antisemitic tropes. and quote. the court official added the threats are considered to be serious and credible, and not hypothetical or speculative. this filing includes the records of some of those messages, much of which i cannot say on television because, basically every word is an expletive or some the rock a tory term. i like my job and my mom watches me. this gag order in new york is paused at least till monday, where we expecting our judges in a new york appeals court will consider the issue. but what's happening in new york is the kind of harassment that prosecutors down in d.c. are also trying to prevent in the federal election interference case against the former president. in fact, prosecutors sent that very same brief the d.c. court of appeals as part of their own bid to get the gag order in their case reinstated. this past monday, judges at the d.c. court of appeals signaled they were open to keeping a narrower version of the order in place. but, those judges had yet to issue a final rule. meanwhile, there are growing concerns at a florida judge's slow walking the classified documents case. and that is judges, perhaps, opening a door for the trial to be delayed. now, if you have been keeping score at home, yes. this is the same judge who happens to be a trump appointee. and, it is the same judge who got reversed on appeal after she performed legal somersaults trying to stretch the law in response to that conflict of a special master in the same case. and that happened way before the doj had even finish this investigation and indicted the former president. and yes, this is also the same judge who pushed the trial date for this documents case way into may of 2024. now, even with that may 2024 dates, still technically looming on the calendar, critics have pointed out that judge aileen cannon has been taking her sweet time deciding on motions and has postponed some key pretrial deadlines. the concern with all of this, that could add up and result in the trial eventually being pushed back, perhaps when you push back even further, the 2024 presidential election. with me now is david e. graham, staffer for the atlantic, david, thank you for joining me this morning. you have written basically that all of the trump cases, and the classified documents matter, this one is the one that is open and shut. but that jack smith may have gotten the short straw in terms of getting judge cannon as a sitting judge, providing over the case. what are your specific concerns about her and what she has done so far, in terms of moving this forward? >> i think you laid it out there. procedurally, you see we are doing very thing very slowly. you see her being very -- through events, which is not necessarily a flaw in a judge, we want a -- fair system. but repeatedly, you saw her getting reversed in the investigative process. and then, you see this slow walking. it's a problem because not only is this an open and shut case, but you are depriving potentially voters of the ability to have the right information when they decide if donald trump committed a felony crimes in absconding with these documents and refusing to turn over. voters deserve to know that before they cast a vote. and to try to get the schedule, slipped it write letters of good, off the voters will get a chance to decide before the -- >> it seems like one of the go-tos, other than the delay tactics, that is in donald trump's defensive back, is the first amendment. it seems like he is using that as a sort and a shield, and that's one of the things his lawyers have been trying to frame this issue around. here in colorado, or on the 14th amendment case, and the defense, there and pretty much all over the place, do you think that is going to be a convincing argument for them, going forward? >> you see judge chutkan saying is he is the first amendment, but he's a criminal defendant. criminal defendants don't have the same rights to speech everybody else does. and it's interesting to see the d.c. circuit court considering that, and seeming to find some value in that, but not total. i think they are concerned he is a presidential candidate. they don't want to be seen as doing election interference, which, of course, is what he says is going on. so, it's a potent talking points. but i think you know, there just needs to be an acknowledgment that when you are a criminal defendant, there are things you can't say, no matter what the person says. it doesn't matter if your presidential candidate or a joe on the street. this is the way the law works. >> it's got to squeeze in one last question. you've also written recently about some of the things that donald trump said, basically unhinged, being also his threats against judges and prosecutors as well as the alarming changes he said he would make if he gets a second term. how seriously should the public be taking these things, project 2025 and everything else he's been saying? >> i think we really need to take him very seriously. he tried to do a lot of the things he said he would do in 2016, and the things you are saying now are much more serious. and much more dangerous. i think he has a real edge, on those preventers he didn't have before. so, i think these things are very real. we can't just look at him as sort of somebody saying silly and impede and things. it's somebody with some really dangerous ideas that he wants to put in the practice. >> atlanta staff writer david graham, thank you so much for joining me this morning. and now, i want to bring in congresswoman jasmine crockett, who is a member of the house oversight and accountability committee. jasmine, congresswoman crockett, so good to see you and have you. we are still a few months away from the scheduled start of the four criminal trials against donald trump. can you talk about how important it is for these cases to proceed on time, and try before we get to the actual election? >> yeah, so first of all, good morning. it's great to see you as well. and one of the things that honestly i want to stress is, and charles, you know this. the fact that donald trump has been treated unlike anyone that we have ever seen before. i was just having this debate yesterday about the fact that anyone else would be under the deal by. now even type of note that emotion for contempt, of course, would have been filed. and he would have been jailed. and honestly, he is violating gag order after a gag order, and for some reason, he is still walking around, and not truly being treated like any criminal defendant. but it's important for the people to see the evidence against donald trump before they can hopefully make a fully informed decision. i'll be honest with you, though, there's a certain amount of people. it doesn't really matter how much evidence you show them and they still want this tyrant to be over our country. we talked earlier about voting rights. the degradation of any freedoms have funnel trump supreme court it's the one that has gotten rid of our reproductive access, gotten rid of affirmative action, and, now they are going after section two after we finally had a few cases that were in the w column for us, whether it was louisiana or if it was alabama, or potentially, georgia, it is always the south. it is someone who comes from texas. trust me, i can tell you i am so upset that we don't have section five, and we absolutely have to make sure that section two is kept intact in that way it always has existed. >> now congresswoman, you brought up texas. so, we gonna stay there, because this is your district. and your home state. donald trump has already talked about what he wants to do around immigration, and i'm staying in texas because it's a border state. so, are you concerned or do you have the confidence that there are currently enough guardrails in democracy from him, you know, going into some of these most extreme policies around immigration? what are your thoughts there? >> i'm glad you brought this up, because obviously, i spent a lot of time talking about israel. you know, there's a lot of people that are saying hey, we have issues with the president, talking about president biden, and its handling of israel, and they're saying, we are going to stand down. we're not going to support him. i do want to point out that donald trump was the one who was actually pushing forward with a muslim ban. a muslim ban that did not go forward, because he did not have the court of his choosing. donald trump is made it clear he wants to go ahead and re-urge that muslim ban. so, for those that believe they have issues with president biden, and i'm not saying that you don't have issues, i'm saying you should have a few more issues with the person that literally wants to ban muslims in this country. he has always tried. he has tried it before, and he said he will do it again. this is not the type of leadership we need. and i know that people are frustrated right now, because they feel like they are cities are being overrun, and this is a federal government problem. you know, yesterday, i had an opportunity to listen into twitter spaces. it was my first time, and i was actually listening to george santos from your state, and honestly, i was shocked, because it was the first time he was talking a lot of truth bombs, and one of them was the fact that this has been the most ineffective congress this house has been the most, ineffective in the history of the congress. and it is because we have not passed any bills of consequence. including if the republicans really wanted to fix the immigration, they would be pushing forward with on right now. they don't have solutions. all they have is more problems for the american people. >> i see what you did there, in terms of trying to slip in george santos being from my home state. that's okay, because i did not have you agreeing with george santos on my saturday bingo card, and there it is. you are congressman crockett, a freshman member, along with your freshman classmates, who you just mentioned. george santos. you all have had a run in terms of your first year in congress and your first term. but last time we spoke on air, was before we had gotten the cr that was taking us to november 17. we now have another one that is taking us further. what are your thoughts on moving forward, since you were talking about the federal government, in terms of the ability to actually get a budget approved without having to do these continued stopgaps under the current leadership in the house? >> you know, honestly, i have said twice that the government was going to shut down, and i was very confident in saying that. i must say it again, because at least when i say, it it's not true, and so, that is a good thing. but i don't have any confidence in the speaker. when we were there, before we came home for the thanksgiving break, there were two appropriations bills that never made it to the floor, because the speaker didn't have the votes. the week before that, there was another appropriations bill that didn't make it to the floor, because he didn't have the votes. so, you, know you can change whoever the head is of the circus, but it's still a circus. , so until analyst the speaker decides he wants to sit down with the democrats, which the democrats have proven that we are down for governance. we actually want to make sure that we protect the american people, that see hours that have passed have passed overwhelmingly, because of the support of democrats. democrats are ready to work and serve. if the speaker wants to go ahead and decide that he will neglect the extreme side of this party, if you can even call it a party at this point in time, and he wants to actually get to the work of the american people, the democrats are there. and another amazing congressman, hakeem jeffries, out of new york, it's always ready into owing to work. so, we are ready to work. but i don't really see that happening anytime soon. >> there was another amazing congresswoman in your background, the late, great surely chisholm. give it up for her. also from new york. a little texas two step this saturday morning with congresswoman jasmine crockett. thank you so much for joining us on velshi. still ahead, hamas and israel are expected to release a new batch of hostages and presenters today. this as the temporary truce between the two sides enters its second day. antoday's meeting of the velshi banned book club with ali velshi. he is going to speak with a man who's been fighting for access for lgbtq stories to be heard they will discuss just how important those books are. i am charles clements junior and this is velshi on msnbc. lshi on msnbc. lshi on msnbc. m who makes, everyday products, designed smarter. genius! like 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more, so sam can make smart ideas, a brilliant reality! chase for business. make more of what's yours. ♪♪ i was looking at my ancestry traits the other day. i figured it out why i never actually made the football team. yeah, because you're 5'8”. wait robbie, go look at the sprinter gene. i wonder if you have it or that's why you didn't make the team. let me see. let me pull it up. don't have it. yup, i knew it. what else does it tell you? 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>> well charles, we are still waiting for news this time yesterday, some 13 israeli hostages had been handed over to the red cross and crossed through the rafah crossing into egypt, into israel, to begin that healing process. we have not heard anything from government officials about today's release. earlier today, we had heard from a diplomat with knowledge of the process say that the expectation was that 13 israeli hostages would be released today, though that was not confirmed by the israeli government. the israeli government, reluctant to hand out every list of identities of the hostages that were expected due to the fragility of this process. remember, these negotiations have been going on between israel, qatar, the united states, and hamas. hamas being a terror organization and seen as volatile and unreliable. so again, we have no news other than that one diplomat saying that they had expected this process to go forward today, charles. >> now david, israel has been very clear that it is fully expecting and preparing for fighting in the war to resume after this four-day pause is over. but the people you spoke to in ramallah are really hoping that this was perhaps the beginning of the end. is there a difference in terms of the expectation between the two sides after this exchange takes place? >> charles, you are right. i have spoken to several people here in the west bank who said that they are hopeful that this temporary truce is the beginning, the seed of a longer process that ultimately leads to lasting peace. however, it's important to remember that this conflict is not just about october 7th and everything that's happened since then. for the people that i've spoken to here in the west bank, for them, there won't really be lasting peace until there is an end to the occupation. it's not up to them when or if there is an end to the occupation. when it comes to the parties actually involved in the fighting, the idf and hamas, you know, hamas has also indicated that as long as the idf continues its military campaign in gaza, they will continue fighting as well. so, for ordinary palestinians, the sorts of people i've been speaking to the last couple of days, their hopes, unfortunately, are just that, they are hopes. charles? -- >> erin, to that point, there is some palestinians who have started returning to their homes or what used to be their homes in northern gaza. israel has warned them not to do that because that is, in part, an active war zone. what is driving palestinians back north, despite these warnings? >> well, charles, palestinians in gaza just simply want to go home. they want this fighting to stop. they are facing this desperate humanitarian situation, shortages of all the basics. food, water, medicine, and fuel. to that and, part of this agreement was for trucks full of humanitarian aid to cross from egypt through the rafah crossing into gaza, badly needed there. that was, as i said, part of this agree