come back, what to make of the reception donald trump got in south carolina yesterday. >> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. as one pm on the east coast, a pm in the middle east, and we begin with the breaking news, the third group of israeli hostages transferred now by hamas in exchange for palestinian prisoners. a list provided of names by the israeli government, 14 israeli and three for national abductees released today. it includes nine cldn. four-year-old american israeli, abigail moore adana is back in israel. president biden is celebrating her release in the last hour. >> she's been through a terrible trauma. her mom was killed in front of her, when her kibbutz was attacked by hamas terrorists on october the 7th. abigail mor edan, who then -- was gunned down as well while using his body to shield a little abigail. >> the four-day truce, which ends tomorrow, calls for the release of at least 50 israelis, with an option for israel to extend this truce by one day for each additional hostage released by hamas. officials are warning that after the truce, the mission will not change. >> abigail remains the same. the dismantling of the hamas military machine, in the end of the rural and gaza. ultimately, that's good for israel, for obvious reasons. it's also good for the people of gaza who deserve better than this regime, this terror rasheem, that's been in the gaza strip for the last 16 years. there is nothing but poverty, punishment, and bloodshed. they deserve better too. >> new video from the israeli government shows prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, on the ground in gaza today. with members of his military, and also, in the last two hours, aid trucks cross the border from egypt into gaza. 200 trucks were expected today, many of them carrying fuel and cooking gas. more, new video shows residents of gaza desperate for the most basic necessities. now converging you see on a truck carrying boxes of drinking water while delight drone footage shows the extent of destruction and neighborhoods that were once home to thousands of palestinians. we have several reporters and analysts in place for you in israel, to washington, with all of this developments. we'll go first to nbc's raf sanchez who's in tel aviv, israel. why, if welcome to you. looking tells about the hostage release? where they are right now, and given this hour, it's just past the pm, is anything more expected today? >> so, alex, as you mention, this is the third night in a row in which we have seen israeli hostages emerging from gaza. in exchange, israel releasing palestinian prisoners in jerusalem, in the occupied west bank. alex, tonight, the choreography was different. most of those hostages, 13 of them, rather than going south through the rafah crossing into egypt, which is what we've seen over the last two nights, they were instead handed over to the red cross in northern gaza, closer to gaza city, and they went straight over the border into israel. from there, one of those hostages, an elderly woman, was flown directly to hospital. she appears to be in serious medical condition. we don't have the details right now. the other 12 hostages continued on to an airbase. now, among those was this little four-year-old israeli american girl, abigail it don. alex, it is worth just pausing for moment on her story. not just because she's an american, but because of what this little child has been through. both of her parents were murdered in the kibbutz on the morning of october 7th. her older siblings hid elsewhere in the house. this little four-year-old walked away from her parents bodies. she went over to a neighbor's house. she hid with them, only for that family to be kidnapped. she has been held in gaza for the seven weeks. officials here in israel in the united states are working to bring her home. she is now safely back inside of israel, but alex, sometime tonight, or in the coming days, someone is going to have to explain to this little girl that both of her parents are dead. that she's an orphan. and that she has a very long road ahead of her to recover from what's gone on these last couple of weeks. we are also expecting, alex, one more israeli citizen who is a dual israeli russian national, to be released alongside three thai workers. they will take that route through the rafah crossing, then back into israel. you mentioned prime minister benjamin netanyahu was on the ground inside of gaza earlier today. we are the third of four days of the cease-fire. right now, if nothing changes, the cease-fire is due to expire at seven a.m. local time on tuesday. you've heard president biden earlier tonight saying that he is optimistic, that there may be a possibility of extending the cease-fire further on this pre-agreed formula. one additional day a cease-fire in exchange for ten more hostages. right now, nothing is clear. and unless the deal is solidified, the fighting will start again on tuesday morning, as promised by the israeli military. now, we can say that there is this one elderly woman who has been flown straight to hospital, but i want to play you a little bit a sound from the doctor who is involved in the treatment of the hostages who emerged last night. take a listen. >> we've received these 12 captives, children, and women. they came back. they underwent a medical evaluation, and evaluation. i'm happy to say that despite the fact that the harsh conditions that they've been under in the experience of captivity, they did not require any emergency medical intervention. >> alex, we spoke last night to the family of ohad -- he is a nine year old boy. he was released on the first night of these hostage exchange. this relative told us that ohad explain to them that when they were in gaza, in the captivity of hamas, they weren't physically abuse, they weren't tortured, but he described incredibly difficult conditions. he said at some point they were going days without food. he said they slept on wooden benches, not beds. like all these other children, he has a long road to recovery ahead of them. alex. >> 100%. as i hearbout the story of abigail, as you accurately discussed, the -- is the family who she got over to you. they had four at thr mily released today. that includes a ten year old, eight-year-old, and four-year-old. god willing, she was kept with them. that would've made it perhaps a little easier. for that mother or father to put their arms around all those children together. very quickly, do you think they were released, this group today, do you think they were released through the north because of the medical necessity of that elderly hostage who had to get to the hospital right away? >> that's our understanding. they wanted to cut out this middle step rather than going through egypt, they wanted to get this older woman over the border, into the hands ofhe israelis as quickly as they could. she was flown directly by helicopter hospital here in israel to be given immediate treatment. we will keep you posted soon as we know anything about her condition. >> which we very much appreciate. thank, you ralph, for all of that. let's go to nbc's allie raffa, joining us in the white house. ali, we just heard from the president, talking about the release of this four-year-old israeli american girl. what else did you have to say? >> yeah, alex, we heard from a very clear relieved president biden, speaking from nantucket before returning to the white house. he is very keenly aware of the continued challenges that lie ahead, as there are more americans awaiting release from hamas and gaza. he talked about, as you, mentioned the first american to be released as a part of this deal. abigail, don she turned four-year-old on friday. the first day of this deal, that allowed for her release. he talked about her experience, held an unthinkable conditions. he says he wishes he was there in israel to hold her after she was released. listen to more of what he said about a pickle, as well as the administration's ongoing efforts to get more americans out. >> abigail was among 13 hostages released today from gaza. under the brokered and sustained u.s. diplomacy. she is now safely in israel. we continue to press, and expect for additional americans will be released as well. we will not stop working until every hostages returned to their loved ones. as i said when i spoke about this on friday, this has been the product of a lot of hard work, weeks the personal engagement for me and my team. we've been in close contact with the leaders of qatar, egypt, israel, and speaking with each of them repeatedly over the past few weeks. this helps secure the steel. we have seen that this is a day by day process. nothing is guaranteed. nothing is taken for granted. the proof of this is working. we will pursue it further. every smile, every grateful to hear we see on the faces of those families who are finally getting back together again. proof is little apple gal. >> the president giving more detail on his personal and direct involvement in the steel, talking about his constant communication with the leaders of qatar, israel, jordan, and egypt. he said he would be speaking with prime minister netanyahu later today. of, course is not lost on this president how incredibly fragile this deal continues to be. you heard him say there, he called, a quote, day by day approach. nothing is guaranteed, nothing is taken for granted. he is assured the families of the americans still being held hostage that he would continue working tirelessly for their release. he was asked for an update on when we could potentially see more americans released by hamas. he said, quote, i don't have anything firmly to tell you at this moment. just saying that he would like to see a pause in fighting as long as prisoners keep coming out of israel. that is something that, as you heard rothman joan, he is pushing clearly for an extension of the cease-fire. national security adviser was asked on the sunday shows what the chances of that could be. saying that israel has laid out its, cars that they are prepared to extend this pause in fighting, but the balls and 's court. >> it is indeed. okay, allie raffa, thank you so much for the white house for that. let's bring in jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and department official in the obama ministration, and david, wrote nbc news senior executive director of national security. david is also a former new york times reporter who, himself, was kidnapped outside of kabul in 2008. he was released after eight months there. gentlemen, it's good to see. but jeremy, for step. this release of the 17 hostages today, certainly not the end of things, so give us your sense of what's happening right now as we approach the schedule today up this truce. where the tensions lie, and what our american intelligence and security officials concerned about most right now? >> well first, alex, let's not forget that nine american hostages remain in custody. omar, her, she keith, judy, and lay hot -- today we got out abigail, as you've been talking about, as well as adrian seagull. she was the elderly woman who had to be flown todical attention because her injuries were serious. so tt individual is actually one ofthe americans who came out today. i think with respect to abigail, first and foremost, i believe she is going to emerge as the and frank of this massacre. by that i mean, she is a symbol of hope. her voice will be heard reverberating around the world. the only difference between this and world war ii is the state of israel exists, she is a home to return to. president biden put it exactly, right which is that the ball is and hamas's court if they want to continue to release prisoners. by the way, they can release all the prisoners today. there are 180 more. they can really set him at any moment. if they continue to release prisoners, there's going to be pause. i just hope that we do not allow hamas, the west does not allow hamas to use this moment to re-arm, regroup, potentially stage another attack against a u.s. ally, killing and cannot be more american citizens. >> one hunted percent. that is the greatest concern of israel. one more question to, you jeremy. that, is in regard to americans that are hostages, does hamas look at them as a sort of leverage? how concerning is it, if that's the case? >> does hamas, yes. i think to some degree they do. although in some respects, the way hamas accused israel is as a client or proxy state of the united states. so to some degree they view all of these hostages in a category of belonging to the united states and our allies. so for that reason, it's very important that the united states, and all of our partners in the region, and continue to work for the release of all of the hostages. i'll just mention that one of the hostages that was released yesterday was a woman who was at a music festival because she had been previously injured, that was at least why she was released. hersh was also an american at the music festival. he had his arm blown off in a grenade attack. he is also grievously wounded. he needs to be prioritized if in fact there is a humanitarian basis to release hostages based on their situation, their injuries, as we saw today and yesterday. >> i'm so glad that you got the specifics out there with the names. there are certain people who need immediate attention. not that they don't all, but to your point. thank you. -- you've talked about this inadvertent to incentivize in of hostages. that it is happening when governments are under tremendous pressure, negotiating for the return of abductees. i have to ask, is there another option? >> i think, yes. the problem, i want to say first of all, is hamas. hamas has causes entire situation with its attack on october 7th, and my own experience, you know, my captivity and other captors of experience since, the person you're most frustrated with us in your own government. it is the kidnappers who caused this. so i agree in the short term situation, you work as hard as you can to get hostages out. there has to be a long term strategy announced by the united states, led by the united states, with europe, japan, world powers, if we could ever get, you know, china to go along with us, to stop this unprecedented outbreak of hostages. both groups by hamas, and by states. evan gershkovich's, a journalist for the wall street journal, he's in jail now thanks to vladimir putin. there are other americans all over the world, five americans recently released a prisoner swap with iran. venezuela had six americans they were recently released as well. it is a broader strategy to just make this behavior, this tactic unacceptable, and increase the penalty to groups in the states that use that. >> i, know, david you've seen hamas that has been releasing video showing the hostages being transferred to the international red cross. there's video from last night's release, showing some of deputies smiling. how do you interpret what these videos report to show. is there a caveat that needs to be attached? >> sure, they are clearly under duress. of course they're going to be smiling and waving to their captors, because they are that close to survival. they are overjoyed right now, all these families are overjoyed. it couldn't be happier for them. any video taken by hostage taker, again, whether it's a government or groove, should have a giant caveat. you are trying to survive as a hostage, and you act as you think they want you to act. >> jeremy, let me ask your assessment of the role that president biden and the negotiators are taking in the crisis. would you think the prospects are for those who have not been free during the stirs? it was suggested earlier, or on jen's aki show, proceeding this one, that it may be awhile. it could be awhile before these men, mostly, will be released. >> i think you can tell from president biden's comments, but, really his comments and his actions, that ever since october 7th, he feels extraordinarily connected to this mission. he believes it is on his shoulders to get the american hostages out, to get the hostages from all 30 nationalities home with their loved ones. he has stood with israel. he has deployed u.s. forces to the region to deter iran. he isn't sure that aid trucks get into the palestinian areas and gaza. he has worked this issue tirelessly, and frankly, he is great at it. i, mean he was built for this moment, he's got a career, a 50 year career of working on hard national problems. he is the best team around. him he's got the secretary blinken, jake sullivan, he's got brett marker. he's got lush or would randall. he's got a team of experts around town that no these issues, no the region, know the players, and they are protecting americas interests in the middle east. >> we are seeing the fruits of his efforts, that's for sure. all, right gentlemen, thank you both for your time on. this i look forward to speaking with you again. an update from the idf on today's relief, when that begins, we'll bring it to you. we're back in 60 seconds. l bring it to you. we're back in 60 seconds >> all right, as if on cue, we'll take you to this iranian spokesperson. this is admirable of the press conference. take a listen. >> the ruthless terror organization, hamas, she is a true hero. she is living proof of the fact that fighting the terror organization, hamas, is an extremely justified one. this is a war in which we face a bad and cruel and in the. just like abigail, all those who have returned have a relative or a family member who has been murdered. and are still being held captive. this is immense pain. irma, who was handed back to us in a dire situation, was taken by helicopter immediately to a hospital where she is now being treated. she was taken by idf forces while still in the gaza strip for medical reasons. in order to maintain the safety of those who have returned, the idf took some of them through the center of the gaza strip in full coordination with egyptian security officials. for foreign nationals, including three thai citizens of one rushes citizen passed to the rafah crossing. after initial assessment, the returning hostages arrived at the air force base. from there, they moved on to the hospitals where their families and loved ones wait for them. this is a very moving day, but we do not forget for one minute all the other hostages who are being held captive for 51 days now by the murderous organization, hamas. they are still in gaza. >> all, right everyone, we are keeping a very close eye and ear on this idf spokesperson. again, admiral david -- who is giving an update. to get a lot of this information from raf sanchez. we're going to keep monitoring that, see if there's more information. we're also following some breaking news out of vermont. that is where three people have been shot in burlington, right near the university of vermont campus. according to the school, in the west bank, all three victims were palestinian and graduates of that school. nbc's investigative correspondent is joining me on the phone with this breaking news. tom, what do we know about the shootingat this point? >> thank, you alex. we just had an updated -- from the chief of the burlington police department. the chief is putting out a lot of new information that i think could probably help us out here to understand the sequence of events. primately 6:25 last night, at north prospects street, that's not far from you dm, justice folks are aware. these three individuals that you were just talking about, all of whom are 20 years old. all of whom are under medical care. to our staple, one has sustained more serious injuries some are described as critical injues. they were apparently shot by an individual who walked up to them, acrdg to police. the individual did not say anything. fired four rounds from a pistol, then apparently fled on foot. the shooter, or the suspect is deribed as a white male,ot any additional information, and according to police, he struck two in their torsos, one of the lor extremities. tw of these individuals that were shot of palestinian descent or u.s. it ascends, one is a legal resident. the police note that all three are apparently to, them excuse, me were wearing there -- at the time of the shooting. that is something that they are looking at. the chief of burlington's poli department notes, look, at this moment, i'm quoting him, no one can look at the senate suspect that it may have been a hate motivated crime. the chief says that they are already in touch with our federal partners in the statement nbc news. the fbi confirming that, saying they're aware of the incident. they offered to help out at such a time. i think this is important language, alex at this time, they are not the primary inveigating body. should there be a federal crime, that they will in fact investigate. what the chief vmont police has said in his statement, as well as the fbi are saying in their statement, is, look, we're still trying to develop. we don't have motive, yet the police dept in the fbi saying so, indirectly that their statements. basedn cover number of these cases, as you well know, i think what everyone is saying what's going on.usly know we know we haveree palestinian students, 20-year-old sold, attend a number of colleges, visiting family here in burlington. they were on their way to dinner. and individual waldup to the man shot them. we cannot possibly acuña or at. what you've been talking about it all hours, this is a situation in the middle east. so they're very cognizant of that. right, now they don't have any evidence supporting a motive on where the other. >> tom, your reporting about the council on american islamic relations, offering some kind reward for information. what you know about that? >> that's right, alex. just as we push the top of the, hour they put a statement out offering $10,000 for anyone who can help provide information as to what happened here, and trying to determine what happened, obviously, tragedy. they're putting out information and asking for a reward. they're putting out information on a reward, i should say. at this time. >> tom winter, thank you for the update on this developing story, appreciate. that also new today is another big story. stormy weather is moving across the u.s. as travelers are heading home from the holiday weekend. millions are under winter weather alerts today. people in the great lakes can expect delays. nearly a foot of snow is expected in some areas. that storm already turning into rain as it heads through the mid-atlantic and northeast a bit later today. it comes as tsa expects today to be the busiest travel day ever. joining me now is nbc's marissa at the airport in baltimore. it was a situation like for travelers, that marissa? >> hey, alex. when you look at the weather, map it makes sense that chicago is leading the delays nationally, domestically. if you look at the flightaware, map they called the missouri map for a reason. they're leading those delays, about 100 of them, roughly 600 delays that were seen across domestic flights in the country. this could be a whole lot worse, especially when you consider the numbers. this is expected, as we've mentioned, to be a record breaking day. we know most people drive across thanksgiving. we know, this but aaa has said that they expect roughly 4.7 million travelers to be taking to the skies for thanksgiving. that's a 2.5% increase from before the pandemic in 2019. now when we talk about tsa, they actually said that they expect this to be record breaking day, and this is interesting because seven at a ten t busiest travel dates of their records have been this year in 2023. they expect roughly 3 million people today alone, andha is something that would surpass the record i. we spoke to people here, at bwi, who came here expecting the worst, but hoping for the best. >> we were just making sure we got here early. we didn't know if it was going to be crowded, if it wasn't going to be crowded. everything worked out so right now, anxiety is low. which is a good thing. we are ready to go back. >> i was expecting much longer lines. the drop of four departures took about 15 minutes. i was expecting 45. so far it's been really easy. hopefully it'll be the same on our end in houston. >> so, alex, things are looking smooth right now from where we are. vw i. we do know that according to tsa, they do expected to hit its peak at three pm eastern. there is plenty of time for things to ramp up across the country. we know that storm system is going to continue to move throughout. it's going to make its way east. we know that that could cause delays where we are right now. we'll have to wait and see. the other thing to keep in mind, do not sleep on travel for tomorrow. aaa says that tomorrow has become an increasingly popular day for people to take to the skies. we've seen, as we know how much the pandemic has influenced travel. when it comes to staff, we know that they have really wrapped up staffing across airlines, tsa, to try to accommodate for today. there's still plenty of time. people are keeping their fingers crossed, that things stay smooth, don't get crazier as the weather moves, and alex. >> i'm keeping an eye on 90 minutes from now. you said three pm is. peak of, like buckle. up will come back and check in on you and see how things are than. thanks, marissa, for that. well this, week we may learn whether the gag order against donald trump and your is reimposed. in appeals court temporarily blocked that order, which bought trump from attacking staff of the judge presiding over his civil fraud trial. his attorneys called the gag order unconstitutional, a panel of judges will consider that issue tomorrow with a decision expected a short time later. with this pause in place, trump went on a thanksgiving day rage about the judge and his law clerk. nbc news legal analyst, and isabel, as a shawnee now. danny, welcome. how soon do you expect a decision from this appeals court? >> i talk, i'd say with normal take a while.n this is a priority case. perhaps this will come down very quickly. whether we're talking about the federal cases deciding these gag orders, whether we're talking about new york state decisions, and then looking ahead to the gag order litigation that is certain to come in the other criminal cases. this is something that is plain now, that it's going to prefer, it's going to be an issue that comes up over and over again in trump bases. now that he appears to have discovered the ability to gum up the works by simply antagonizing the court. >> i, mean look. he is use this pause to attack judge and clerk. he's been baselessly attacking her for weeks now. is it binding of anything legally? >> i think that attacking the judges clerk's low class, it's probably the wrong thing to do across the board. but, then again, when it comes to gag orders, i do think the justice and gag order, of these orders that are out there in the sphere, it is the most likely to be paired down on appeal, or maybe even struck down. here's why. justice and gorence guard orders, they're not the product of brief issues, and a written thought or opinion. they were extemporaneous. from the bench. they were wards that came out of his mouth. later, as he modified, edge there were more words from that bench. so,, centrally what he, said and i'm paraphrasing, you can't talk about me and my staff. while it's admirable to protect your staff, it's admirable to wait for george to look out for those who work for him, at the same time, they may not be able to completely prohibit donald trump from speaking about the clerk. probably the best argument i would add is that the clerk in this case, the clerk in legal, and has many definitions, this is someone who was a political enemy herself. it begs the question, does that make her more susceptible to criticism? i'm not sure i know the answer. much of the courts to either. >> look, court officials have outlined what they see is a day lucia threats against the judgescler in particular, in a filing last, week she is been subjected to, you on a daily basis, harassing, disparaging comments, the antisemitic tropes. specifically the clerk or sees 20 to 30 calls today to personal cell phone, and to 50 messages a day on social media. personalail combines, this is according to judge holland, how much will these threats, and trump's continued attacks on engoron and his, clerk factor in the decision of whether to reimpose this gag order? threats that trump's attorneys claim are irrelevant to this issue, but look what happens. there is a direct cause and results. >> here's an undisputable fact. when trump, speaks they do stupid things. that is an undisputed fact, so the next step, is in this analysis, do we curtail donald trump speech because of this behavior of other people that are not donald trump? the question is maybe as simple as dias, because when he speaks, it presents a clear and present danger. this is an exacting standard. but, to play devils advocate for just a moment, donald trump is unlike any -- he is just some criminal defendant no one's ever heard of. if he doesn't like the judge, it doesn't like the clerk, he can shuttle he, once again yell it's window, tweeted 30 followers, and it just won't have the effects. maybe ever in american history, as one human being had this effect, when he speaks. that is why this is a unique situation. it may simply be the case that donald trump is entitled to less speech because of how dangerous the speech can be, unlike anybody else in american history. >> we're going to see how they will this week, most likely. danny cevallos, thank you so, much my friend. we reaction from capitol hill to today's hostage release, and some of it is surprising. it's next. s surprising it's next. it's next. >> for long-lasting cough and sore throat relief. try new robitussin lozenges with real medicine and find your voice. you know? 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many congress members have been away for the holiday, also today's news of the four year old american has really been released. >> absolutely. you have to remember, most, so many lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have met with the families of hostages held in gaza over the last several weeks. and was there for a number of these meetings. the families of these hostages, of, course spreading awareness that their lawmakers, many cases there elected officials, have knowledge of the dangerous situations that these hostages have found themselves then. they're being held by hamas, and just this morning, and senator susan collins, for example, went his aerial, met with families of hostages. here received a phone call from that four-year-old hostage. the american girl, abigail. and she said that heard for us, and foremost, from her, at because she's been in touch with the families. we also heard from senator of north carolina, who said that the wife of the north carolinians was released, a hostage was released today. so this is certainly something that is personal, touching every single lawmaker. it's also something that continues to point to the growing fractures and divide in how the u.s. is helping israel handled this war. i want you to take a listen to some democrats, and some republicans we heard from this morning who can show just a factors that are continuing to grow right now. >> it's a testament to the presidents strength and tenacity and ignoring calls for the cease-fire that would've denied the leverages really needed to secure the steel. israel is right that this is the middle, not the end. >> i think we need a lasting cease-fire now. first, we need more of the hostages to be released. we've seen now that its work came. second, there are some americans and cause. that we need those americans and american families to be released. >> part of the reasons why we got to this point, where we had a four-day pause, is that biden administration has consistently been behind the scenes, insisting that israel has steps that are clearly not in israel's interest. >> the biden administration didn't make it a condition of this deal, that americans be in the first hostages released. especially since american aid is going into gaza. >> all of these conversations are happening, coming into play when lawmakers are back in town tomorrow. they will immediately pivot to considering that 14 and a half billion dollars in military aid to israel, and also the billions requested by the biden administration for humanitarian aid to go to gaza. there are certainly differences of opinion, not just across the aisle, but in the same aisle as well. for example,, alex you heard senator bernie sanders release his six point plan trying to get the netanyahu government to do more. he says, to avoid civilian casualties. also to change some policy initiatives when it comes to the west bank. it's going to be really hard for lawmakers to get on the same page, particularly as time goes on. more and more civilian lives are lost in gaza, certainly anchoring some democrats who continue to put pressure on the biden administration to do more, to call for the cease-fire. something, as you, heard from the democrat right in that sound match we played for you. he says he disagrees with. as you can see this unfolding in this. >> julie tsirkin, thank you so much for that. from capitol hill, we appreciate that. joining me now, democratic representative, madeleine dean of pennsylvania. she sits on the house judiciary and foreign affairs committee. welcome, my friend. as we see, president biden having confirmed that the four-year-old is american, abigail mor edan is among the 17 hostages released today. the white house certainly hopes to get to other dual citizens out tomorrow. yet, seven other americans remain unaccounted for. in your, mind how promising are these developments? what are you hearing about the prospect of its extending this pause, versus resuming fighting come tuesday? >> well, good to be with, you alex. i have to tell, you for me, today, yesterday, i am thankful for the return of life. for the return of these hostages. to their families. what we must, do is make sure that every single hostage, american, on america, and our returned as absolutely soon as possible. then hamas must be approved. and i had the opportunity to travel to israel, just a couple weeks, ago and met with prime minister netanyahu. not with family members of some of the hostages that you are seeing here now. i met also with the minister of defense. i call upon hamas to release all hostages. i am thankful that israel is taking this time to make sure that the return of life into israel, and other countries, and then, there must be an upward enough hamas. of, course hamas can do that themselves by calling a truce, and turning themselves in. there does not need to be more loss of life. but sadly, i fear there will be more loss of life after the return of hostages. that's what i am calling for. >> the fact that all americans have not been released yet, do you see hamas potentially using them as some kind of a bargaining chip? hanging on to them as long as possible to extract what they might want to have in negotiations? >> well, what we know is that hamas is a terrorist group. they have taken these hostages, an unprecedented number of hostages, some of them unprecedentedly young. and met with a brother of emily, thankfully, family has been returned. yes, of course they're using these hostages of pawns in an inhumane way. america has played a pivotal role, have to admit to, you i'm so proud of this administration. i have indirect touch with the biden administration. we have implied, and the work of other countries in the area, we would not have possibly seen a single hostage returned home. sadly, hamas is using these as pawns, as chips, because they don't see the value of life. >> as we, know the president has been very hands-on in negotiating this pause in fiting, especially with multiple tiaders israel, egyp as well. yet, as you, know he faces divisions in the white house, and the democrats have this, response to growing civilian casualties. how do you read his posturing, but what you want to see for the president? >> as you said, i'm extremely proud of the president. he is also, he has an able team. up spoken directly with the white house, and jake sullivan, and our secretary of state, antony blinken, they have done around the clock, broke work. i did say to any down in a conversation with her, please take care of yourselves, because we need you. we need the strength of this administration. you, know when i travel to israel just a couple weekends ago, i sat next to an israeli on the flight into tel aviv. interesting.said to me was so i said, you know, what if i had a chance to meet with some high-level government, officials what would you want me to convey? he said, tell president biden this is entirely within his hands. he has the ability to navigate our way to peace, in the release of the hostages. i, said what would you want me to tell mr. netanyahu, who i did meet with and speak with. he, said please tell mr. netanyahu, you have one enemy, it is hamas. spare the children. >> with the increase in civilian casualties, there certainly are calls to put conditions on future u.s. aid to israe and as you know this week, senator bernie sanders said the blank check approach must end, and currently, eight israel is held by the house. would you support conditions on american financial and military support? >> what i support is continuing aid to israel during this extraordinarily difficult and dark time. let's not forget, ukraine. i am appalled that we have a problem in the house that we are sold in supporting israel, and supporting ukraine. we must do both. we are the indispensable nation for these two democracies who are in such peril. what i would call upon israel, if you look at the reporting, and this is in juxtaposition to what both the minister of defense and netanyahu said to me, they both touted the fact that do to israel superior intelligence gathering, as well as its military, they have the ability to micro-targeting, be precise, but if you take a look at what is happening in the opening weeks of this war, using 1000, or 2000 pound bombs, that doesn't look like micro-targeting to me. so i hope that we will continue to be an influence, or micro-targeting. sparing of civilian labs. far too many civilian lives have been lost. sadly, let's not forget, more than 1200 and israel, in the most barbaric and brutal a voice. now, we have seen more than 10,000 lives lost in gaza. we have to do both, and we have to be the influence for peace, for two state solution both in gaza, and the west bank, to stop the expansion of settlements, to make sure that the palestinian people have a chance for their own sovereignty, for their own destiny, their own prosperity. >> okay, mental all of that. representative natalie dean. thank you so much for your time. you cannot call it a hero's welcome. a new sign that is giving never trumpers some hope. giving neve trumpers some hope trumpers some hope >> ( ♪♪ ) rsv is in for a surprise. meet arexvy. 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was it successful? those billboards were clearly anti trump in a big way. >> yeah i was laughing because what it tells me is that you've got a mixed crowd. mature and says anything about donald trump but -- >> never trumpers, though they could've put that up. >> donald trump holds 50% of the republican, votes many are looking for someone, else and maybe there are 10% of people who used to be like me before leaving the party he truly to test the man. i do think it's very important as the strategy. he clearly has south carolina, which is one of the first four states, or maybe three, that he has to win. it is on nikki haley's turf because she is the up-and-comer. she is the one who is only in second place now in the republican primary. desantis is betting everything on the delicate strategy in iowa. nikki haley actually has a sustaining strategy that should donald trump wound himself, he would have to wound him. self if he were to do, that nikki haley is sitting there, ready to take that. >> picking up on that, don, when we look at e headlines, the new york times could haley really meet trump? big donors are daring to dream. politico, nikki haley is consolidating the never trump vote. then the seattle times up, that it's not too late for the gop to dump trump and picnicking haley. how far do you think she might be able to, go don? >> well i've never seen anything like, this. alex he is very clearly the number two. i have never, you know, i've not as old as some people, but i've never seen a situation in which objectively, every legitimate participant was running for the number two spots. there is no universe, and there is no evidence of the signs that showed that there is anyone ready to assert donald trump electorally. they are literally running in the hopes that -- do either with himself, or somehow, the legal process works out that make him an option. we've all heard the very realistic possibilities of him being elected president from jail, and what that would look like on january 20th the 2025. that's a possibility. there is nothing i see legally that could take him out, and unfortunately, we still have 55%. less than a few days before we begin electoral process is an iowa. i don't see him taken out late either. it's fascinating to see folks from the summit of time and resources on the idea of being a potential. >> we are 50 days. out to meet its even closer than 60. so david, let's take a look at the new york tesrticle i just mentioned. it goes on to say, powerful players in the business haley, aware that she remains an underdog but beginning to believe she has a chance. so, question could be, our donations to keep her survival? >> well her survival,, yes but it comes down to can she talk to donald trump? the one thing we have not seen is the republican electorate, it's apparent that donald trump faces conviction. there are our spring and summer trials that are going on, but that is after donald trump would have likely secure the nomination. i don't know that money takes it all for negates, but i will say the fascinating thing about why the establishment is moving towards her is that ron desantis was supposed to be that person. that's safe, establishments conservative, stronger national offenses, lower taxes. ron desantis lost his mind along the way, and decided to fight these culture wars that scared everyone away. this was ron desantis's second time braced to lose, that he lost it. nikki haley, even though she is a, trumper and even though she is showing loyalty to them, and we get to hold her accountable for that, she is a steady republican now in this race. there are no others. >> so it is certainly crunch time for all the republican candidates. especially donald, tru who is ggli -- the legal calendar with these iowacaucuses, 50 days away now. the same day as thestart of his carroll defamation trial, by the way. then you have the federal election interference trial, that begins on march 4th. then 24 hours before super tuesday,, don how critical are the next seven weeks of republican primary season? >> they're very critical, but there is no space in which anyone will have an electoral breakthrough outside of this chance for nikki haley. there's no real space in which all the there can amount to putting up a real fight for donald trump. at the end of the, day i'm encouraged by what i saw at the stadium down in south carolina, and i'm certainly encouraged an amused by that billboard. kind of hurt by the name donald. the other thing is, at the end of the day, we don't see if there is a lateral space to emerge because the majority of the republican primary electorate is still with trump. i think that's just a creation of the established republicans. i is difficult for me to feel sorry for those who have been in this position, i want to be considered reasonable republicans because they allow this so long ago, started getting 2010, and this is the national outgrowth of. that it almost seems like they are going to have to nominate donald trump in 2024, and the serious adults, who still propublica mindsets, are going to have to figure out how to reform after this presidential election. i don't see a space in which donald trump will be electorally overtaken in this presidential cycle. >> which means we're going to be talking about this for the next year, at minimum. last word to you, david, the next couple of weeks, how do you see it unfold? intensely or, you know, we still got several weeks. >> yes, look, ron desantis have a play in iowa. he locked up the faith leader endorsement, he locked up the governor's endorsement. he is betting at all. it is a big butt that he can pull it off. he is trying to come in second, when i or, what to replace nikki haley. this is donald trump's wire to wire, this is trump inviting nikki haley, nice to both biden. -- >> great to see you. both look for to see new again. hope we've day next sunday as well. thanks, guys. that's it for this edition of alex witt reports. we'll see you again tomorrow at three pm. i'm actually not quite done for today. i've got a couple more hours, filling in for yasmin vossoughian, right after a short break. ghian, right after a short break. short break. >> it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms, like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could be something more serious called attr-cm, a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you? 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