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before, after 1973 and the yom kippur with the army and the government exchanged very similar accusations. >> well, we're going to have to leave it there. i'm so sorry we're out of time, michael, but we will discuss. >> always good to be with you. >> thank you so much. and yasmin vossoughian picks up right now for chris jansing. hi, everybody, good to see you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for chris jansing. he went out as a member of congress. he went out in infamy. george santos expelled in an historic vote just hours ago. where does that leave republicans and then new yorkers in his district. we're live on capitol hill for that conversation. israel resuming an all-out assault on gaza launching hundreds of attacks on land from air and sea. plus, the new report raising questions about what israel knew about hamas's plans more than, get this, a year ahead of time. and then remembering the first woman ever to serve on the supreme court. we're going to honor the life of sandra day o'connor, how she changed the court and the country forever. and even more breaking news we're following this hour, a major ruling involving former president donald trump in the january 6th insurrection, a d.c. court ruling he can be sued for civil liability. we want to begin, though, on capitol hill with that breaking news. the saga that has been george santos has ended today with the embattled congressman being expelled from the house. the new york republican daring his colleagues to put up or shut up as he put it, and they responded a short time ago with 311 members voting to expel him from congress. this third effort to expel santos approved to be the charm with the difference maker being a bombshell ethics report that detailed substantial evidence he spent campaign funds on everything from luxury shopping to botox, to trips to casinos and the hamptons as well. santos is the sixth member of the house ever to be expelled and the first in more than two decades. he had little to say while leaving the capitol just before noon. >> what do you say to your constituents? >> excuse me, you guys got to get out of my way. >> got to get out of my way as he made his way out of the capitol. nbc ryan noble was there reporting for us on capitol hill. george solis reporting in santos' district of queens new york. joining us is mike murphy, republican strategist, former adviser to bush, romney, mccain, and msnbc political analyst as well. if you will, start things off for us. walk us through how this vote played out and what folks on the capitol are saying this hour. >> yeah, yasmin, it's important to point that we did not know how this was going to go today there had been quite a bit of momentum behind expelling george santos from congress. in the last 24 hours, there was a growing sense of concern, particularly from republican members about the precedent that it might set. no member of congress has ever been kicked out without a formal conviction in a court of law, and while there is a mountain of evidence against george santos, he has get to be convicted. he faces a criminal trial in september, but that hasn't took place. the sum total of scandals surrounding him, the fact that it was a constant distraction, that every single day members of congress had to answer questions about a new revelation about george santos just turned out to be too much. what is important to point out, though, is that while more than 300 members did vote to kick them out, almost every single democrat save two, there were more republicans that voted to save george santos than did to kick him out and including the four top members of house leadership including the house speaker mike johnson all saying they were concerned about precedent. so regardless, there is no more george santos in the united states congress, yasmin. that means that republicans only now have a three-seat majority in the house of representatives. >> george solis, take us to queens, new york, if you will, from washington. we're coming there. and talk to us about what folks on the ground, his constituents are saying about his expulsion. >> reporter: there's been a lot of celebrating outside of now former congressman george santos' office. people screaming things at the office, things we can't repeat on television a. lot of people were waiting for this vote to see if he would get expelled. a lot of members of new york 3 say they feel that they have been lied, cheated. they have been stolen from over the course of george santos's tenure here in the district. i feel like they haven't been represented at all, so they were closely watching to see whether or not he would actually get the boot from congress. many people telling us they are now waiting to see who governor hochul will maybe say that she prepares to set up for that special election. they have to decide who will take over that seat to best represent them. take a listen to some of the combination of voters we have been talking to on the ground, especially right after that vote took place this morning. >> i think it's a long time coming. i think that this district has gone through a lot of just noise in the media and everything about everything that's been going on, and i think that there's been a loss of focus on really some of the important issues that we would home that a representative of congress from this district would be focused on. >> what was the straw that broke the camel's back for you? >> to me it was broken a long time ago, but i think that when you had the ethics committee come out with a report saying that there's a real problem here, and i think -- and you look at both the speaker and i think also the number two republican voted against him being expelled, you know, that does -- frankly that doesn't make them look good. >> reporter: you might be wondering what's happening in the office here right now. it is open. members coming out shortly after that vote to say, look, we are still here. we have a skeleton staff of six people to answer any questions that people of new york 3 have. i asked some of the staffers here has the congressman reached out to them. has he said anything to apologize on behalf of everything that's been occurring here. they said he really hasn't apologized but he is thankful for the work that they have done. a lot of people in new york 3 say they don't really blame the staff for what's going on. obviously they are skeptical about any work that might get done until someone can be voted in to replace former congressman george santos' seat. >> we're going to be talking to steve kornacki at the top of next hour breaking down who was voted on in favor of his expulsion. i want to pick up on where ryan left off and your reaction to house leadership, republican house leadership voting in favor of keeping george santos and his seat. >> you know, i'm not too troubled by it. i'm a santos critic. he was a one-man crime squad and i'm glad he's gone and i'm glad over 100 republican members of congress voted to get rid of him. but you have to look at the context of this. we're in a very different situation in the house. it is extremely close, and if you're the majority in control, and there's only a couple of seats between the parties that decide control, you have all the power. so politics is always first in the house, and my guess of what happened was they didn't -- the leadership, which is, yeah, he's a rat, but, you know, we got to control the -- we don't want to give up our majority, enough republicans between conscience and political fear said no, no, we're going to vote to dunk this guy, so they opened the flood gates and didn't try to whip people to protect him, which is why it was over 100. and that was the construct. only six times in american history, this is the first time anybody's been thrown out before a conviction. in the old days you'd show up in a confederate outfit and they'd throw you out. that used to be one of the rules. the house is a more populous place. i'm glad they did it, but i'm not going to hang the leadership for doing their job, which is try to hold power, you know, it's irritating but i don't think horrible. >> i'm glad you brought up the whipping of the votes. we know speaker johnson didn't do that. he voted to keep santos and keep his seat. he urged other members of the republican house to vote with their conscience. santos also tried to make this argument himself, the implications of vote of expulsion. i want to play for you that sound, mike, and have you react on the other side. >> if it's their choice to change precedent and loop me in with three confederate turncoats who were expelled for treason and two convicted members who were convict instead a court of law, so i'll be the first person to get expelled from congress without a conviction or without committing treason, and that sets a dangerous new precedent for the future to come. it's the demise of this body eventually. >> so talk about dangerous precedent, santos obviously wanting to keep his seat, pretty see-through when it comes to that, but the speaker as well making that argument yesterday. go ahead, mike. >> yeah, oh, i'm sorry, audio glitch. he is so bad they broke precedent. i mean, he's the reason here, you know. he was so awful. he was a parody of a corrupt congressman. you know, now he's going to change his name and wind up at a used car lot at long island city there. is a technical argument of precedence, precedent went out the window and he owns that, nobody else. >> it looks like his future holds possibly dancing with the stars, santos looking at that, talking about dancing with the stars and writing a book maybe . we're going to be watching out for what comes there. thank you guys. coming up next, everybody. we've got some breaking news as israel has resumed its assault on gaza after the pause expired without a new deal in place, what it means for the war and for the hostages still being held in gaza. we'll be right back. ht back. for me. i may have trouble getting around, but i want to live in my home where i'm comfortable and my friends are nearby. i can do it with the help of a barber, personal shopper and exercise buddy. someone who can help me live right at home. life's good. when you have a plan. ♪ ♪ (bobby) my store and my design business? 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. the subway series is taking your favorite to the next level! like the #20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch. built with rotisserie-style chicken and double cheese. i love what i'm seeing here. that's some well-coached chicken. you done, peyton? the subway series just keeps gettin' better. welcome back. we want to get to the resumption of brutal and bloody fighting. 109 people so far have been killed in air strikes and artillery attacks in the last 13 hours since this truce expired. those same officials, they're now saying all the major hospitals inside gaza, they're out of service calling the health situation extremely catastrophic as they put it. the idf is saying it's already hit more than 200 targets since the truce expired including in southern gaza. that's along the egyptian border where many palestinians had fled at the instruction of israel. a senior state department official saying israel has agreed to designate large safe zones in the south to accommodate palestinians who have, in fact, been displaced. meantime, the qatari foreign ministry, which has been leading this truce negotiations saying talks are still ongoing to see if they can get this truce back on. israel saying there are still 137 people being held by hamas in gaza, and for the families of those hostages, a devastating report from "the new york times" raising questions of whether this entire war, all of these lives lost could, in fact, have been avoided. according to the times, israel had its hands on a hamas battle plan for over a year that laid out in stunning detail the attack that unfolded on october 7th. israel did not take it seriously, mistakenly assuming hamas could not pull it off. the response from the idf today, they say they're focused on eliminating hamas and that questions about the report would have to wait for a, quote, later stage. we want to note, nbc news has not seen those documents. i want to bring in raf sanchez in tel aviv to talk more about all of this. i'm going to get to the "new york times" reporting on this, raf, in just a minute. i want to start first on the ground and take us through what's happened over the last 24 hours since essentially this pause is now no longer. >> reporter: this pause is no longer, yasmin. in the last few minutes we've heard explosions here in tel aviv from rockets overhead. it's been a while since we've heard that. that is nothing compared to what people in gaza tell us they're hearing as the thunder of israeli air strikes resumes once again. as you said, 109 people have been killed over the last hours, according to the gaza health ministry, which is run by hamas. israel's military says it carried out more than 200 strikes since the cease fire came to an end, seven days and a couple of minutes after it started, and it's really significant what you mentioned, yasmin, a lot of those strikes are happening in the south in the city of khan younis, and that is where for weeks israel was telling palestinian civilians to flee to. this morning they are declaring khan younis an active combat zone. they are telling people to get out, to go even further south to the border with egypt, and that basically means a very significant proportion of the palestinian population being pushed right up to the southern end of gaza. unicef is calling gaza a graveyard for children. i want to play you just a little bit of sound from their spokesman inside gaza. take a listen. >> the cease fire is over. we can already hear the bombing and i'm in a hospital. there was a hit about 50 meters from here. this is the biggest still functioning hospital in gaza. it's at 200% capacity. yes, this is a hospital. the health system here is overwhelmed. we cannot see more children with the wounds of war, with the burns, with the shrapnel littering their body, with the broken bones. >> reporter: so you can see just how dire the situation is in gaza's collapsed health care system right now. it is a reminder, yasmin, that the last seven days have been a breather. they've been a respite, but they haven't fundamentally fixed any of these problems including the collapse of the hospitals. no aid has got into gaza today. there has been more aid over the last seven days, but as everybody has acknowledged it is just a fraction of what the 2 million civilians inside of gaza need. >> rafa, i want to talk about the hostages while i have you, 137 from our understanding still being held inside gaza. one of them is yarden bibas. he's actually the father of two children that hamas has claimed were killed by israeli air strikes after october 7th, after they were abducted. what do we know about him, his family, and the rest of the hostages as well? >> reporter: we know he is a man living through just unfathomable nightmare. he is himself a hostage in gaza, and he has been told by his hamas captors that his two children, including his 10-month-old baby son, kfir and his wife are dead. he doesn't know that for sure. he only has hamas's word to take for it. the israeli military says they cannot confirm that at this time. they are still examiing that claim, but that little boy, that 10-month-old baby, the youngest hostage in gaza has really become a symbol in this country, and people are absolutely heartbroken at the prospect that that little boy is dead, something which is still not confirmed. >> a 10-month-old possibly losing his life in a war, those children, unbelievable to think about and to be the parent having lost those children ever and in that way specifically. raf sanchez for us. thank you. i want to bring in richard stengel, former under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs under president obama. he's also an msnbc political analyst. as always it's a pleasure, thanks for joining us on this. you just heard raf talk about this expansion of this war, it's happening. it's been happening over the last 18 hours or so since this pause was essentially lifted, and they're now going south. israel is now striking in southern gaza. so you have from our understanding hundreds of thousands of palestinians basically now huddled in southern gaza as they were told to go there for safety, and now it is becoming a target. what are your expectations in the next phase of this war? >> well, i don't have any expectations. i would simply say that secretary of state tony blinken was in israel yesterday. he spoke not only with netanyahu and the war cabinet, had spoke with mahmoud abbas of the palestinian authority, and he counseled the israelis to be aware of the humanitarian death toll, to abide by humanitarian law. he mentioned violence in the west bank by israeli settlers. united states' policy is to try to use its influence on israel to keep down the number of civilian casualties, and i can't speak for israeli military policy. i don't know anything about that. i can just say what our strategy is to try to limit the amount of civilian deaths in gaza. >> i want to talk about this reporting while i have you, richard, from "the new york times." really stunning stuff. reading it earlier today, unbelievable to think that this entire war, the loss of life now in the double-digits could have been avoided had it seen israel heeded the warnings of their intelligence official when is they got ahold of these battle plans. is essentially it seems as if israel had got ahold of these battle plans a year in advance from hamas, but they did not believe hamas could pull it off. i want to read for you a quote directly from "the new york times." nbc news has not seen these documents. the reporting saying this, the audacity of the blueprint, officials said, made it easy to underestimate. all militaries write plans that they never use and israeli officials assess that had even ifam invaded, it might muster a force of a few dozen, not the hundreds who ultimatel attacked. hamas had beenrafting attack plans for many years and israeli offial had gotten ahold of previous iterations of them. what could have been an intelligence coup turned into one of the worst miscalculations in israel's 75-year history. one of the worst miscalculations in israel's 75-year history, with 1,200 lives, israeli lives lost and more than 10,000 palestinian lives lost. what is your reaction to this reporting and the likely intelligence failure that happened here? >> well, yasmin, it's a stunning story. but i would say in the history of warfare, almost every surprise attack that has been successful was known about in advance, but people didn't believe it was possible. i mean, just to go back to the 9/11 attack in the united states and the 9/11 commission spent, you know, years and millions of dollars coming to the conclusion that it wasn't an intelligence failure, it was a failure of imagination. it was a failure to believe that something like that was possible. and in that very, very good "new york times" story, basically that is the point, that they had the information but no one believed that it was possible. that the assumptions were completely different. and by the way, i would add, you know, the hero of the story is this young female israeli defense analyst who was over and over again saying this is what's happening. this is what's likely. we need to do something about it. they should make her defense secretary! but you couple that, richard with the warnings that we heard bibi netanyahu got

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