Speaker nancy pelosi announcing the formation of a select committee to investigate. This morning with great solemnity and sadness im announcing that the house will be establishing a select committee on the january 6 insurrection. Again, january 6th was one of the darkest days in our nations history. Ive said it now three times. It is imperative that we establish the truth of that day and ensure that an attack of that kind cannot happen and that we root out the causes of it all. Speaker pelosis announcement follows months now of public and brazen obstruction by Senate Republicans including voting against the establishment of an independent bipartisan commission. Last month only six gop senators voted alongside all of the democrats in favor of it falling short of the 60vote threshold. The select committee follows months of White Washing of the horrors of january 6 by republicans including calling it a peaceful protest and likening the insurrectionists to everyday tourists. Pelosi today noting she still holds out hope that a 9 11style committee could be formed in the future but says in the meantime she sees a select committee as complementary not instead of. As the Washington Post notes, quote, a select committee is all but guaranteed tore a more partisan forum than an independent commission would have been meaning the parties may come no closer to a consensus about why january 6th happened and who was to blame for it at the end of the probe than they are at the present moment. The gop white Wash Campaign was rebuked yesterday in court. U. S. District court judge during the sentencing of one of the Capitol Insurrection defendants spoke out. Lloyd, a 49yearold from indiana, the first to be sentenced for her role. And during her hearing the judge chastised republican efforts to rewrite what happened. The judge said this, quote, this wasnt a peaceful demonstration. The way it turned out. It was not an accident that it turned violent. It was intended to and brought to a halt the very functioning of our government. Im especially troubled by the accounts of some members of congress that january 6th was just a day of tourists walking through the capitol. I dont know what planet they were on, but there are millions of people in this country that saw what happened on january 6th and that saw what you saw and what you just described, a disgrace to our country. The judges words backed up by brandnew Body Cam Footage released from the justice department. This video is disturbing. It depicts the violence experienced and endured by capitol and d. C. Police at the hands of Trump Supporters. Clearly not a normal tourist visit. And yesterday marked another important step in the dojs capitol riot investigation, a second alleged member of the oath keepers pleading guilty to conspiracy and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors and testify before a grand jury. The Washington Post includes this reporting, quote, in plea papers young admitted to a minimally necessary statement of facts to support his Plea Prosecutors said and suggested he would testify that coconspirators forced open capitol doors believing they were obstructing Congress Election certification by intimidating and coercing government personnel. Some signs of progress in uncovering what happened january 6th and holding those responsible to account is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. Eugene daniels is here, White House Reporter for politico, coauthor of playbook. And lucky for us an msnbc contributor. Also joining us msnbc contributor and former republican congressman david jolly is here plus National Security analyst clint watts who worked as a consultant to the fbis Counterterrorism Division is also here. Eugene, first, share with us what youre hearing about what was behind todays announcement. There was some it felt like there was growing pressure on the speaker from democrats and republicans to do something, to get the subpoenas flying, to get some records preserved, to begin any kind of investigation. But she seemed very mixed, to be holding out hope for something more bipartisan. And she seemed disappointed, right . Something we hear from democrats because they were really hoping they could get something that had the gravitas and validation and something without lawmakers truly bipartisan to look at what happened here. And so thats exactly what were hearing. And they are Still Holding out hope surprisingly despite everything that weve seen that at some point a real committee, a real 9 11style commission could be formed. And until that point theres going to be all these other investigations. The issue with that, just like with the benghazi select committee, each side will take what they want from that. It is not above reproach in the 9 11style commission. You look back and everyone kind of accepted the findings. But you have the Republican Former president leading this. Rightwing media, like you said, nicolle, over and over again for months what happened. Weve seen, not just the videos you showed but over months and months and months of what happened. And so this idea that it was, you know, just a peaceful protest, it wasnt as bad. They werent armed. I will say that is something youre hearing from democrats, that theyre hoping at some point the Republican Party will see that to find out and have a real conversation about what happened on january 6th and, most importantly, make sure it doesnt happen again, they have to get onboard with a commission thats above reproach. David jolly, who should tell them . Theyre not going to come to their senses and the history of the benghazi investigation, the most important point is being overlooked. I think it was the 11th probe into the benghazi attack. This will be the first into the insurrection. Yeah, and understand the greater republican footprint here, which is you have a president of the United States whose greatest legacy may be that he escapes prison while sending his followers to it. He has a number of followers who are engaged in the january 6th events he precipitated who now are facing criminal penalty and rightfully so but are all part of this big lie. We should expect the big lie to permeate any special Committee Speaker Pelosi puts together. I think there are two questions about the special committee put together. This is not a criticism. She had no other choice because republicans failed to cooperate. The first is who populates their side of the committee, if you will . Is it going to be the Matt Gates Type . Will mccarthy put the lead minority member as somebody to try to draw a little bit of bipartisan compromise . The second question, and i think this is most important and will be most interesting, if the Committee Calls members of congress, do they invoke privileges of the house and refuse to testify . Or do they cooperate . I think it will be the former. And you could see a scenario Kevin Mccarthy himself is called to testify before a house special committee, his communications with the president of the United States, and you can see mccarthy refuse to participate. It will be a shadow, an unfortunate moment for democracy but it might be exactly what republicans want politically going into 2022. You know, clin, i dont want to be overly rosy but i think the disappointment is misplaced. A majority of republicans think donald trump will be reinstated and well talk about the threat that poses to the homeland because theres a new warning from dhs today. I think the fact a Bipartisan Committee will start sending out subpoenas and if Kevin Mccarthy refuses to help his own body investigate an attack on his own body with the Mission Statement of hang mike pence, again, that speaks for itself. I want to point out the big lie is crumbling in the most dramatic way this week. You have the republicans in the Michigan State house putting out a report saying there was no fraud here. You have the defamers in court, Sydney Powell and all the people who lied about voting machines, Rudy Giuliani without a law license. He better rely on foreign lobbying. They are crumbling by the hour. Kevin mccarthy wants to go against a bipartisan commission. Im not sure the politics will hold him up for long. I agree. This is a trap by doubling down on this idea it was peaceful protesters. You see the judge putting this in court statements, right, in sentencings hes going to continue to bring that up as will others that this was not a peaceful protest. It was clearly an insurrection, stopping the democratic processes, trying to inflict political change through violence. If that continues, and this will be drips and drabs with the court cases cycling through, each of these will start, as they start to plead out, will reveal another piece of the puzzle. In the beginning the connections we see in the militiastyle groups like the oath keepers were seeing creep up. Over time they will come out so its a little confusing why they continue to play this game. It forces, i think, the democrats in some places like nancy pelosi did today to start these committees and its going to create a cyclical effect over the next six months. Let me ask you i imagine testimony from the victims, the people who were on the front lines fighting handtohand combat that some describe as the most vicious to be fact witnesses. I know ads with those fact witnesses have been banned from fox news. Here is the Officer Fanone on the relationship between them has become, how hollow. Ive been pretty apolitical. I think in the, i would say, the last four years during the Previous Administration there were a lot of things that got me pretty worked up. Most having to do with what i saw as the politicalization of Law Enforcement. So i became susceptible to a lot of republican pandering regarding support for Law Enforcement. But, you know, not to say the Republican Party doesnt support Law Enforcement, but i believe that Police Officers should make each individual member earn that vote and not just assume one party or another supports police. I mean, these are going to be devastating fact witnesses, the most Objective Analyst of our politics is saying i was swept away by republican efforts to lift me up. It has to be casebycase. He hasnt been able to set up a meeting with ken mccarthy. You think about Officer Fanone, the family of officer sicknick and trying to get them to at one point vote for this commission and the senate and that is what were hearing. And hurt by the idea sicknick gave his life, died because of what happened. You have fanone who has a traumatic brain injury for the rest of his life who looks at this and says these are the things that happened to me. We have video of many of the Police Officers being hit in the head with flagpoles, beat up over and over and over and thats going to, like you said, when this testimony starts thats going to be huge and emotional. We saw all of those videos we hadnt seen at that point and all of that will feed into it. The problem still is, like weve been saying, its all wrapped up in politics. That is unfortunate that fanone is talking about. For someone who wasnt very political to have to realize now the politics in washington, d. C. , and on capitol hill are making it at this point pretty impossible for this country to get to the bottom of an insurrection that happened on sxwran 6th. Its troubling. And what it means, it could mean when you talk to experts what they say it makes it hard for us to make sure this doesnt happen again. Ive said that before when i talked to you, nicolle. Experts, people on the hill, if we cant figure out what happened, the failures, all of the access that was given, how much people knew and what people didnt know, then maybe this could happen again. That is the concern because the temperature is not going down in washington, d. C. , or around the country around all of these issues that fed into what happened on january 6th. So, clint, i was going to save this for last but you set this up perfectly. Let me go there. Dhs is now concerned about a new Conspiracy Theory, a new trumpinspired, incited kind of rage, white rage to use the words of General Mills yesterday, and its this. Theyre concerned about the Trump ReinstatementConspiracy Theory. It came in a members only briefing john cohen gave telling lawmakers dhs is not aware of any specific Credible Threats of violence linked to the Conspiracy Theory about trump being reinstated but added dhs is following discussion of the topic online. He said Department Officials are highly concerned because it fuels the false narrative that the election was rigged and thats a narrative that may trigger a violent response. Utterances are a National Security threat on an hourly, daily basis. It is remarkable it continues on. Think if youre a believer in this conspiracy and have seen everything from qanon to january 6th, the inauguration, the Ballot Recounts and are still pursuing this fantasy. How would it not lead to it and they keep committing to this over and over again. Its troubling and i think one advantage that we do have is the president is not on twitter, facebook and much of social media. His website was not particularly successful. It has muted his ability to rally the base and hes been at a limited number of public appearances. That Dhs Assessment is right on target. It is actually articulating clear risk, the biggest risk to the country isnt actually from outside the country. Its not even necessarily from inside the country but from the last person that was inside the white house. Its just amazing. David jolly, i want to talk about the exposure and the risk any sort of committee with Subpoena Power Poses to the twice impeached expresident whose words now pose a National Security threat from the new york times. Congressman jamie raskin who led the Impeachment Case against trump over a charge of inciting the January 6th Riot said his team was not able to follow many leads about the president S Organization and mobilization of different groups to participate in the events of that day. He hoped the select committee could pick up that work. We know that Campaign Money funded the event that was the rally for the insurrection, the pregame tailgate, if you will. We know his speech, his words, were repeated by insurrectionists at the capitol and now theyre popping up in their pleas, in court filings. What do you think an investigation should follow . Should it follow the money, the words . Are there more things . Look, an investigation has to follow the facts. We know donald trump laid the predicate and the big lie, the invitation to come to Washington On January 6th and to go to the capitol. It will determine whether or not his political infrastructure helped finance or organize the events of january 6th, but understand this is not a criminal court. This will be a factfinding legislative branch jurisdiction. And at the end of the day what we hopefully will get to, and this is very important, the facts, nicolle, are different than the politics. The facts are that we know, yes, there were moms and dads who bought their 20 tshirts, engaged in criminal behavior and are facing jail time, theres a domestic terror cell affiliated with the oath keepers and other organizations that tried to topple our democracy through a grand conspiracy. Whether or not trumpS Organization had a hand in that, a factfinding investigation by the legislative branch will help determine that. The politics, though, are interesting. For the politics of 22 and 24 i dont think republicans are worried. Neither the republicans nor donald trump nor the democrats ran on that, you. I dont think they think this is a political, you for 2022. It doesnt really matter because at the end of the day the American People deserve to know the first part of this conversation which is the facts and then assess what that means for us as a nation, what the threat is to our nation and to the extent it has political implications let the voters exercise their judgment based upon that. Let me challenge you humbly, david jolly, i think the last time the homeland was threatened was 2002, in the years after 9 11 after an unprecedented attack on the homeland. Im not saying anyone turned it into a political cogil, that had in It Everything they set out to get, but i think the politics are unknown, and i think if people understand, people still trust most Law Enforcement and S