a network looking out for him. something pakistan's interior minister recently flat out denied. >> in your investigation, have you found any evidence that bin laden had a support network here in pakistan? >> there is no such thing at all. even not an iota of doubt. >> you are categorically denying he had a support network here? >> no support network. >> yet there's growing evidence that leads some experts to believe that isn't so. evidence that bin laden lived as if he felt safe and protected in that compound. >> i've committed to fight against terrorism. >> pakistan carries a huge burden confronting al qaeda and taliban together, but we are up to the challenge. >> let me assure you, if any evidence points to any individual or group in my part of the country, i shall take the strictest action in light of the evidence, and in front of the world. >> that last line referring to the mass killings in mumbai, plotted and executed by terrorists in pakistan. a year later, the same man acknowledged that the plans were partly planned in pakistan. a tape made just days before bin laden's death, supporting the uprisings in egypt and tunisia. new details about what else was found inside the pakistani compound. get this, pornography and lots of it. and for the first time, president george bush speaking out about bill's killing. and in pakistan, the taliban claiming responsibility for suicide bombers spilling the blood of 250 people, murdering at least 80 cadets. a lot of ground to cover. reza sayah is in islamabad. peter bergen and fran townsend. reza, i want to start with you. quite telling, this resolution condemns the united states, says the united states had no business conducting this raid. says nothing about pakistan's failures. where do you expect this to head in terms of relations between the country, is this just political pushback or a serious breach? >> reporter: yeah, i think this is nothing more than pakistani politicians giving themselves an opportunity to get behind the microphone and again talk tough against the u.s. it really shows that despite the crisis this government is facing, it doesn't want to plan on changing its approach when it comes to its partnership with washington. it's the same old finger pointing and the accusations. it's domestic damage control. this is a government that's obviously been embarrassed by this episode. it wants to push back and create the impression that it's taken a tough stance against the country that violated its sovereignty. obviously, the obama administration didn't want this. they want to see a government that acknowledges it has a problem. it wants to go in a new direction and a new policy when it comes to the fight against extremism. when you look at this resolution and it's pointed rhetoric targeting the u.s., it shows you that they're not planning on changing things. there's no indication, john, that this relationship is going to fall apart. these two countries know they need one another, so the most likely scenario is islamabad and washington are going to plod along despite this troubled partnership. >> fran, you went through this with the bush administration. president bush thought this was a trusted partner, but there were times of friction. there's a danger in these situations. sometimes the leaders and politicians are speaking, but there is a danger that the rhetoric gets so ratcheted up that you reach a point of no return? >> absolutely, john. one of the most concerning points in the resolution is it condemns the drone attacks that the united states has been conducting in the tribal areas. obviously this goes back to the time of the bush administration and there were often times where there would be pushback from the pakistani government but you worked through it. but it never became a public sort of dispute. now with this resolution out of the parliament, it puts particular pressure on the government of pakistan to actually insist that the drone attacks stop and the resolution threatens to take action if they don't. that's a real problem for the united states and for the obama administration in terms of its counterterrorism attacks. we know that those drone attacks have considered this week. so for pakistan to call for a unilateral stopping of them puts pressure back on the united states. >> peter, we've spent more than a week worrying would there be a retaliatory strike against the united states. what is your sense, at this time of friction that pakistan gets hit first is interesting, with you what do you make of this going forward? >> pakistan has had just i mean, dozens and dozens and dozens of terrorist attacks carried out by the pakistani taliban. the pakistani taliban has operated with an increasing al qaeda like, sending suicide bombers. so the fact that they want to protest osama bin laden's death is not surprising. they have the capacity to mount this attack pretty much anywhere in pakistan at this point. they've killed hundreds of pakistanis, soldiers, maybe thousands to this point. so not really that surprising, john. >> you say not surprising. is it your sense that this is a singular one-time message or there will be many of these? >> reporter: i think there will be quite a lot of these. there will always be some excuse. in is just the excuse -- in the past, it's been the pakistani government is too closely allied to the united states, this kind of thing. but these kinds of attacks in the name of osama bin laden, which may have been in the pipeline for some period of time, are likely something we're going to see in pakistan and other places. but in pakistan, these groups are virulent. the pakistani taliban has killed so many pakistani civilians. reza is right, anti-american sentiment in pakistan is very, very virulent, but at the end of the day, there seems to be a certain head in the sand quality to all of this. when you've got the pakistani taliban inflicting this damage on pakistan domestically. >> fran, a dynamic as this plays out, last night on this program, you broke news that the u.s. was allowed access to three of bin laden's wives who are in pakistani custody. what more do we know about that tonight? >> john, when we talk about access, this was really very constrained. so you have the americans in there with the pakistani intelligence and the three women all together. the women were very hostile, they can't want to answer questions from the americans, so it was not a very productive session. that's not unusual the first time through. but there's now the negotiation between the pakistanis and the americans, direct between the senior levels of each service about whether or not they can change those, can they separate the women, can the americans have unilateral access without pakistani intelligence. the problem, that would be good for the u.s. the problem in pakistan is, this absolutely incites the radicals. the notion of these bin laden wives being -- given access unilaterally to the american service really goes against the grain and really will incite more sort of accusations by extremists in pakistan against pakistani officials. >> reza, at a time when there's been so much focus on what value intelligence might come from the bin laden wives, you'll get what i might call an irony, this disclosure from our sources that among the materials seized in the compound was a great deal of pornography. osama bin laden cast himself as a religious warrior, a pious muslim. said the problem with the west and the united states is that it was godless and immoral. how will that play out in pakistan and with those who support bin laden? >> reporter: you know what, john? my guess is, pakistani comedians, some of them are going to take it and run with it, just like jay leno and david letterman will. beyond that, i think lit be widely dismissed. remember, a lot of people still hear don't believe bin laden is dead. those who do believe he's dead don't believe that he died in this u.s. raid. they think he died a long time ago. so i think they're going to be skeptical about this story, as well. but for obvious reasons, it's going to be in the newspapers tomorrow morning. remember, there was other men in there, as well. bin laden had his son, a 22-year-old, and there's been plenty of sons who kept stashes of pornography behind their father's back, john. >> peter, you described bin laden as a family man. what was your take on this porn story? >> reporter: i think with everything we know about bin laden, i think that this porn stash was -- i doubt it was for his personal consumption. this was a guy who barely watched television because he thinks that any kind of images, let alone pornographic images, are against islam. so this doesn't fit what we know about him. on the other hand, you know, law enforcement officials say that is fairly common to find stashes of pornography amongst the effects of jihadist terrorists. as reza says, there are other men in the compound. bear in mind, there were -- linking it directly to bin laden i think the case is not proven. of course, this is somewhat embarrassing for al qaeda central to have this as a fact that is out there. >> fran, does it matter at all? >> well, look, i do think it's consistent, when we did raids against al qaeda or taliban targets in afghanistan, it was not unusual to find pornography. let's remember, 9/11 hijackers here in the u.s. were documented to have been going to strip clubs before, and all these people who claim to be these ultrareligious types, and i think it exposes the fraud. you know, both reza and peter are quite right. we're not sure who in the compound, but this is part of bin laden's entourage, and the notion that these people who claim sort of the religious right, i think it goes to the hypocrisy of it. >> thanks for being with us. let us know what you think at home on facebook or twitter. we'll be tweeting tonight. up next, how the former president george bush got the answer to his call for osama bin laden, dead or alive. and his closest ally, tony claire sits down with anderson. >> what bin laden's death does, if you kill large numbers of people by terrorism, that will catch up with you in the end. >> later, moammar gadhafi is taunting the world. but from where? 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>> yes, but then in the sense nothing about this situation surprises you very much. but yes, of course. >> do you believe it's possible that pakistan, someone in pakistan, someone in the military and isi did not know? >> it's possible. you know, look, one thing that's important to realize about pakistan is that there are obviously very different currents going on within their society and institutions. but we should never forget 30,000 pakistanis have lost their lives in acts of terrorism, including 5,000 members of their security services. so i don't know, and nobody does. >> condoleezza rice referred to them during her time when she was in the white house as a full partner in the war on terror. you had praised president musharraf, as well. do you believe pakistan is still a full partner? >> i believe the people i was dealing with. the issue in pakistan is the same issue that you get everywhere, frankly. which is this battle between reforming modern open minded people versus the conservative, the very religious elements, who have sympathy with the ideology and the narrative of people like bin laden. so you've got this clash the whole time. sometimes when people say to me, well, what does pakistan think, or what does pakistani society believe? i say to them, you can't answer that question in the sense that one view of pakistani society is prevalent. that's true, by the way, all over the middle east and the wider issue to do, which is partly to do with politics and partly to do with the influence of islam on politics in society. >> is afghanistan still, you me, the front line in the war on terror? or has it shifted to pakistan, has it shifted to yes, ma'amen? >> i think all of this. again, sometimes people say what should we worry about most, would it be afghanistan, would it be iraq, would it be pakistan, would it be yemen, would it be somalia? the answer to that question is, all of those, i'm afraid. for me, this is one struggle. it's got many different aspects to it. one is the security aspect. the other is the ideology that people like bin laden represent, because my fear is that the narrative has a far broader support than those engaged in extremism would suggest. in other words, the numbers who want to kill any number of innocent people are a relatively small number. those that buy into this narrative that the west is on presidenting islam goes much deeper. >> robert gates said bin laden's death could be a game changer in afghanistan. britain has fought very hard in afghanistan alongside the u.s. do you think it's a game changer? >> i think it could be, yes. but i still think there's a huge wider issue to do with this ideology. what bin laden's death does is it shows first of all, if you go and deliberately target and kill large numbers of innocent people by terrorism, that will catch up with you in the end. i think it's also been important, there's an assertion of american -- power is not the right way to put it, but an assertion of american determination. i think that is an important message. the reason i spend most of my time in the middle east, that counts and it's important for america to always remember that. >> there is this reputation that america doesn't have lasting power, that we pull out. >> it's important from that point of view. but i think, you know, this is a larger topic. we've just got to be very clear about this. this is at least a regional, if not a global idealogical struggle taking place. and that is taking place within islam, with implications far beyond this. >> if al qaeda, though, is not -- it remains to be seen whether al qaeda central as opposed to al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, if it is weakened significantly to the point they can't do operations, does that make the war in afghanistan, does that mean that troops could be pulled out? if president obama has said the goal in afghanistan, the focus is al qaeda, it's not necessarily nation building, although that right now is the strategy. >> i think it allows us to evolve policy, certainly. if it so happens that the removal of bin laden then diminishes the capacity of al qaeda to cause chaos and instability. because their basic strategy is very, very simple. they know that the majority of the people left to themselves would want a democratic government that's effective and noncorrupt. what they hope by terrorism is to create such chaos and instability that the institutions of such a functioning democracy can't take root and can't grow. if that is diminished, that ability to cause thatky yos is diminishes, yes. >> would it be acceptable to pull out with a war still going on with the taliban. >> i have taken the view all the way through that our withdrawal of forces is about the job being done. >> tony blair talking with anderson on wednesday. just ahead, nato launches more air strikes against libya. but the real question, where is moammar gadhafi? 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