>> cervical cancer is a horrible way to die. >> i just wanted to add, we cannot forget that in the midst of this executive order, there is a big drug company that made millions of dollars because of this mandate. we can't deny that. >> what are you suggest something. >> what i'm saying is that it's wrong for a drug company, because the governor's former chief of staff was the chief lobbyist for this drug company. the drug company gave thousands of dollars in political donations to the governor. and this is just flat-out wrong. the question is -- sit about life or was it about millions of dollars and month tpotentially, billions for a drug company. >> you need to respond? >> yes, sir. the company was merck. and it was a $5,000 contribution that i had received from them. i raise about $30 million. if you're saying that i can be bought for $5,000 -- i'm offended. >> he cannot be bought but "keeping them honest" he doesn't answer whether he can be influenced by this man. he served as perry's chief of staff from 2002 to 2004 and he's now an austin lobbyist that worked for merck for years. records show merck paid him between $260,000 and $535,000 in lobbying fees. something a man of mystery. our producer tried to track him down to get him to answer questions. >> hello, is mike there? >> no. >> is he in the office today? >> no, sorry. >> could you tell me where he is or how i could reach him? >> umm -- i can't, but i can leave a message. >> well, we had no luck finding him. we got no return calls after leaving message at his austin office or from the offices located on the private island he coowns on a lake in new hampshire where he has a home and rents out several others. as for the amount of money merck gave perry, he says it was $5,000. according to campaign finance documents perry pocketed about $30,000 from merck since 2000 and since 2006, "the washington post" all rights merck has donated more than $380,000 to the republican governor's association. perry was chairman of that association in 2008 and again in 2011 until just last month. as for merck's take on this, no response from them either. we have the research director for texans for justin and roland martin, a texas native. andrew you've been covering governor perry for many years in texas. how close are these two? >> well, i think for all practical purposes, mike tumey and governor perry are attached at the hip. they've worked together for 25 years. they were roommates when they both served in the texas house together when mr. tumey worked as a chief of staff for the governor and he had a nickname and that nickname was governor tumey. there's a sense here in austin that mr. tumey, very bright and hard-working, is the power behind the thrown of governor perry. >> roland, you're saying this sort of -- we're seeing underbelly of politics playing out here? >> absolutely. i hate to suggest that this is what we're used to but that's a fact. i think the voters are saying -- my goodness, we're used to this revolving door, whether it's in texas, illinois, or washington, d.c., where people that work for politicians, go to corporate america, come back to politics and go back. i remember when president george w. bush was there and people said, you got goldman sachs and bank of america and jp morgan chase executives working for the government and going back. the problem for perry is that he's building his campaign on this whole notion of integrity, of character. evangelical voice. if he's able to be undercut by saying, what is the level of influence in terms of former staffers this that are getting dollars from the state that's going to be a problem in this gop primary. >> but there are no allegations or evidence of anything illegal here, right? >> that's correct. when governor -- when mr. mike too. tumey went into his office he parked his clients with his lobby partners and when he left two years later from the governor's office, without catching a breath, he went right back to representing the same clients. it's all totally legal here in the state of texas. as are a lot of things. we call at this time wild west of money and politics. there's no limits on campaign contributions. >> but there's a difference between what is legal and, frankly, what looks bad politically. so we've seen the same thing in washington, d.c. where members of congress are criticized and staffers who worked on legislation and then they would leave to go work for a company, actually, would benefit from the legislation they worked on so it has to pass the smell test and voters pay attention to that kind of stuff and trust me, the other campaigns are saying, this could be the crack in the door we need to knock it down. >> your point earlier was that michele bachmann was wanting supporters to focus on this but she sort of stepped on it by going down this road on the hpv vaccine? >> she blew it away, i think members of the media, the next day, would have been on this. the dallas morning news, the houston chronicle, they've been reporting on these ties to perry. and there are other stories as well in terms of campaign contributions. technology firms getting benefits who were working on commissions there in texas. perry is going to have to answer these questions because people don't want a politician who's in a situation where people who work for him are getting federal contracts if, of course, he wins the presidency. >> andrew, where does the story go? at some point i guess tumey has to answer some questions? >> i don't know. he's an unusual lobbyist. the average lobbyist loves to talk about how much clout they have. their mojo. their influence with public officials. he's an unusual animal in that he's so close with the governor that he often finds himself in the position of downplaying his influence which is unusual because these guys are in the business of selling their influence to corporate clients 1234. >> andrew we appreciate it. you can follow me on twitttwitte twitter @anderson cooper. raw politics, president obama under fire from his own party. democratic strategist james carville with a tough mention for the president and his re-election campaign and why he says they should panic. isha sesay following other stories. ander son, former first lady jacquelyn kennedy "in her own words" after her husband's assassination and what she thought of the president's success or were lyndon johnson. revealing insight from a woman who rarely spoke out in public. that and more when "360" continues. g intelligence that is helping business rethink how to do business. in here, inventory can be taught to learn. ♪ in here, machines have a voice... ♪ [ male announcer ] in here, medical history follows you... even when you're away from home. it's the at&t network -- a network of possibilities, creating and integrating solutions, helping business, and the world...work. rethink possible. borrowed technology from ferrari to develop its suspension system? 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one word came to mind, he wrote, "panic." this is what i would say, the time has come to demand a plan of action that requires a complete change from the direction you are headed. james carville joins me now. james, you're all decked out for an lsu football game. >> i'm in starkville, mississippi, at the lsu/mississippi state game. >> you say the white house should panic that he -- and i'm quoting, fire somebody and indict people. those are fighting words. what do you mean? >> well, i think that when you look at these two elections, i think they do mean something. even in nevada, that was a seat we lost by about 8,000 votes in the presidential race and about 22,000. it's not going in the right direction. i think the president needs to show the country that he is unsatisfies with the pace of this recovery and the way to do that is make changes. everybody in 1994, president clinton fired a lot of people and made a lot of changes and got back there, time and time again and when a coach loses a lot of games they make changes. he needs to make some changes. and the other thing is, people are livid about this financial crisis and the it just doesn't seem to be much appetite or aggression for going after some of these people in american finance that caused this. i think people are looking to see some more aggressive action and i think that will signal a change and if the president does that i think he'll get back on track. >> so what's the problem with the folks working around the president? are you saying they don't understand the scope of the problem? they don't have solutions? or they're just not up to it or what? >> you know, it's not working. i was on the john king show earlier and somebody said, they have a communication's problem. then fire the communication's people. identify where the problem is. we're losing elections. we're running against time. the recovery is not going well. and identify what the problem is and make changes. it may be that people are just good people are tired of it or maybe they need something fresh. i have no idea. but they have to signal -- when something happens, the reaction is -- oh, no, everything's fine, this doesn't mean anything. i'm sorry, it does mean something. people are trying to say something. the trick is to say, i'm hearing you and we're changing course. we had to deal with a crash in the financial system. we were able to stabilize this and now's the time for a new strategy. we're going to bring new people in but the sill sig natural to people that you get that something has gone wrong here, not just defend everything that happens. that's the critical thing and by the way, anderson, if i was guilty of anything in this article it would be rampant plagiarism. this is something democrats have been saying for a long, long time. this isn't nothing i don't hear 20 times a day on the telephone. >> do you point the finger at the president himself as not -- is he too -- one often heard criticisms of he's to professorial. do you think that's part of the problem? >> i think the president, he's a smart guy and a very dekrebt guy. he might be too nice a guy. and he knows a lot of these people and a lot of them work real lie hard. i saw people that lost their jobs. lost their influence in the clinton administration to this day, some of them are best friends. maybe m of them got the influence back but there have to be consequences when things don't go well. there have to be consequences somewhere and the president is the guy in charge. it's that simple. if there's a problem with communications, change it. if there's a problem in the political section, change it. if there's a problem with the economic advice he's getting, change it. i don't have no idea. i'm not in there but something's not going right. to step out and say none of this means anything is ludicrous. that's not what's happening here and that's not what people are looking for and i think that the quick they are the president cease that and acts on that the better off he'll be. you know, i watch these republicans and i watched them on our debate. good, god! the idea of something like that getting in the white house ought to scare anybody half to death. >> the president's approval among independents dropping to new lows and if he doesn't have their support, can he win? >> look, this is a very tough time. of course, again, we lose elections and it is, i think, that if -- he's a very, very good communique' toricatcommuni. he has to be consistent. but more important, the speeches are not going to intern a trick. there has to be some action that demonstrates to the people, i'm dissatisfied with things and this is what i'm doing to make change. set himself up for the campaign and set himself up to run against these others. but he -- >> two years ago you told an interviewer that demographicics favored the democrat so much he wouldn't have to work to hard to win a re-election. >> i don't know if i said he wouldn't have to work very hard. the demographics are much more favorable in 2012 to democrats than they were in 2010. there is no doubt about that. in the future they're going to continue to be more favorable. if you have problems with employment at 9%, well, then the crush of everything would -- would really do you in here. i do think that he has a lot of things going on for him in 2012 and a much more favorable electorate will clearly be the case over 2010. >> interesting discussion. james carville, appreciate it. thanks very much. >> go tigers! >> good luck at the game. up next, a direct challenge to congresswoman michele bachmann. wi talk with the respectable bioethicist is offering michele bachmann she can produce the woman that said her child suffered mental retardation after getting the hpv vaccine. and also in her own words, audio tapes made by the former first lady, jackie kennedy, fascinating stuff, offering an inside look at the kennedy white house and choice comments about key figures in the 166 in the 1960s. and the full report on the trial of a florida millionaire ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] you never know when a moment might turn into something more. and when it does men with erectile dysfunction can be more confident in their ability to be ready with cialis for daily use. cialis for daily use is a clinically proven low-dose tablet you take every day, so you can be ready anytime the moment's right. ♪ [ man ] tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. don't take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. 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[ announcer ] we are insurance. ♪ we are farmers bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ congresswoman michele bachmann is being offered $10,000 to a charity of her choice if she can back up a story she told on national television about the hpv vaccine. the story in a statement that many people denounce as irresponsible. the controversy started monday night at the tea party debate for republican presidential candidates. bachmann criticized rick perry for signing an executive order in 2007 requiring young girls to get the vaccine that protects against cervical cancer but what she said the following morning on "the today show" that got her in trouble. listen. >> i'll tell you i had a mother last night come up to me here in tampa, florida, after the debate and told me her little daughter, took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter. it can have very dangerous side effects. the mother was crying when she came up to me last night. i didn't know who she was before the debate. this is the very real concern and people have to draw their own conclusions. >> immediately following that appearance, the american academy of pediatrics posted a statement on their website saying there's absolutely no scientific validity to the suggestion that the hpv vaccine causes what she termed "mental retardation." and the vaccine has an excellent safety record. bachmann offered an explanation for what she said today. >> during the debate, i didn't make any statements that would indicate that i'm a doctor, scientist or making any conclusions about the drug one way or another. i didn't make any statements. at the conclusion of the debate a woman came up to me who was very distraught and crying and thanked me for my remarks and said her daughter had had a negative rearks and that's all i related. >> that's not all she related. she said her daughter had suffered what she termed as mental retardation. arthur kaplan is the director for the center of bioethics at the university of pennsylvania and tweeted this. here's the deal, she has one week to produce her quote/unquote victim and she pays $10,000 to a pro vaccine group. if she can't i pay $10,000 to a charity of her choice if she does. congresswoman bachmann's explanation that she want is speaking as a doctor or scientist but was just relaying what a distraught mother was telling her. is that good enough. >> i'm willing to say she wasn't speaking as a doctor or scientist because she was pretty far off the planet and it's not acceptable. she's fear mongering. there's about 4,000 women that die of cervical cancer. she said in that clip and has said it a couple of times. you got to take that into account. that vaccine is dangerous. it's completely inappropriate. >> you wrote an op ed which you said this issue was and i'll quote it write, you said it was, bedebated by politicians who organizebly couldn't be more self-interested in scoring cheap debating points even at the cost of possibly killing young women. that's strong stuff. you really think politicians in this debate could be killing young women? >> i do. the reason i was tough about it, i said, look. you got 4,000 deaths. these vaccines that are out there can prevent many of them. when you scare people, moms, when you scare girls and women and say -- oh, this vaccine is too risky, you are, in a sense, killing these people if they then say, i'm not going to try these vaccines. i think overall our entire health policy with respect to vaccines has been just a product of fear mongering and ignorance and kind of cookie statements. it's time to demand better from our politicians. in one sense, anderson, there's only one question. you have a ton of americans that aren't getting vaccines. what are you politicians going to do about that? >> are you suggesting that there was no person that came up to bachmann or you think a person did come up b