longer the head football coach, effective immediately. >> what do you make of these scenes we're looking at? >> over the last few days, there was so much passion on both sides of the issue. so many of the students that were there supported joe paterno, really felt like this was a man they had looked up to for so many years, that's why it's so hard for them to take some of this news. even so, in terms of what joe paterno was like, and some of the things he was saying in front of his home. thanking the students for coming out. these types of things, you have to imagine, this is not the type of activity joe paterno would want to see. if you think about the type of man that he is, this is a man that stood for so much. he insisted that his athletes have good grades, he set a high standard, a high bar, so to see students acting in a way that might be rowdy or acting in a way that would some ways disrespect the university, really goes against what in many ways, joe paterno stood for for some 46 years while he was there coaching there at penn state. >> mike, we've established contact with you now. galanos, what are you seeing now? where are these students going? >> reporter: they are headed to beaver avenue and they are flocking to that place. i was just talking to a student minutes ago and that's what happens. everyone is flocking to beaver avenue because they were behind the pictures that you're looking at at the old main building. and all of a sudden they made a dash for it and now they are assembling it at beaver avenue. we are going to head over there to see what happened. i can imagine the chants will continue, we want joe back. talking about joe pa term know. and just straight up chanting his name. i mean, every student i've talked to today once again they are in support of him staying on as coach. i don't think any of these students thought this would happen this day, that joe paterno, their beloved and legendary coach, would no longer be the head man for the nittany lions at penn state. >> any signs of college officials or give us some insight into that. >> reporter: nothing that i've seen. the social media was really buzzing right before that press conference, urging people, stay calm. maybe some folks had an inkingling the announcement was coming. and also talking about amped up security. but we have not seen a strong presence. i'm sure they are out there. we can hear sirens as they are coming. they are headed to beaver avenue where everybody is assembling. >> jason, you have been on the story since the beginning. as we see people out and making their feelings known, you have to wonder what the culture of the school is like. you've spoken to people. what kind of a scene is this? what is the culture like? >> well, what you've seen with so many types of schools like this, football is king. and when you think of football, you think of the iconic figure that stands behind it and that is joe paterno. this is a man who made that program. you can't talk about that program without talking about, quite frankly, people like joe paterno and in the past, jerry sandusky. these are the types of figures that so many athletes are familiar with, and have grown up with. and so when a figure like that is taken out of the equation and not allowed to leave in the way he wants to, you can -- there's obviously going to be some people there who are not going to be happy with that decision. in terms of speaking to some of the players that i've spoke to earlier today, they stood behind the coach, they stood behind his decision to want to finish out the season and then retire but having that last bit taken away, there is going to be some disappointed people there. but having said that, on the other side of this, we also heard from students who thought that he should have been removed a long time ago and not just him but the other school officials as well. so there was passion on both sides of this issue. but once again, i have to stress the type of rowdy behavior that you see out there, you have to think that someone like a joe paterno, who stood for so much in terms of doing the right thing and acting the right way would not approve of this type of activity. >> i don't know if you know the answer to this, jason, but do you know when the next college football game with the nittany lions is to take place? it begs the question, what kind of scenes we're going to see. >> well, that's this saturday against nebraska. so we'll have to see what happens. it's really anyone's guess. but, once again, i think what will happen tomorrow is, the players will have a heart to heart and then perhaps some things will go out with the social media in terms of how to conduct onesself. but if anyone is true for what joe paterno tried to teach for so many years, it was behaving in a certain way, getting good grades and being what a true athlete should be. >> jason carroll, stand by. i want to bring in cnn's senior legal analyst jeff toobin, he's on the phone. i imagine you've been looking at these scenes as we have. what do you make of the reaction that coach paterno is out? >> well, i would be very careful about judging the overall reaction to his dismissal by looking at a few angry students. the magnitude of this event is simply enormous. people are horrified across the country, not just across pennsylvania. so while it's not surprising that there is a group of students who supported joe paterno, i would be very careful drawing any larger conclusions about how much support for him there is. people are horrified across the country about this and as much as joe paterno has been a respected figure in college sports, which he certainly has been, this is a much bigger event than a few protesting students. >> and your thoughts on the board of trustee's decision to remove them effective, joe paterno, and graham spanier to remove them effective immediately. the right move, in your opinion? >> well, you know, since you're asking, i mean, i'm not actually in the business of giving my opinion. i think it was absolutely the right decision. this was a complete collapse, legally, morally, and in every other way by the administration of penn state university. to allow this pedophile to operate with impunity year after year, abusing children in the penn state locker rooms. and, you know, with no one doing anything about it, and we are only now learning apparently how many victims this guy had and the fact that joe paterno and other administrators had information about his pedophilia and his sexual assault and didn't report it to police is frankly, a moral monstrosity as far as i'm concerned. and i think the idea that he could, again, have appeared on the sidelines for penn state would have been appalling. >> and a number of investigations, if they haven't got it under way, we'll get going shortly, including the department of education investigation, jeff? >> well, i mean, the investigations are only beginning. and, yes, the department of investigation will proceed and, yes, the attorney general of pennsylvania who brought the charges against sandusky, the former coach and the two administrators, that investigation is proceeding and they are apparently getting more victims all the time. but it's not even over with those. there are going to be many civil lawsuits filed against penn state university charging negligence and worse and allowing these assaults to go on. i mean, i would not be surprised to see penn state certainly sued for many millions of dollars. but i wouldn't be surprised if they -- if they paid some settlements because they are not going to want to have trials about what the administration did not do in reaction to these sorts of terrible, terrible disclosures. >> jeff, stand by for us. i appreciate the insight. i want to bring in andy staple who covers college football for sports illustrated. andy, thank you for joining us. jeff toobin made an important point, maybe not to characterize these scenes that are playing out at penn state as overwhelming support for joe paterno. do you agree with that? >> i was in college once. i did stupid stuff. i've been watching the pictures that you are sending. i'd be honest, they are just happy to be on tv. i don't think all of them are all that mad about it. >> so you think that the motivation is just to be on tv to let off some steam, as it were? >> when you're 19, 20 years old and a bunch of other 19, 20-year-olds are running around screaming, you'll probably scream with them, too. >> what are your thoughts on the news that joe paterno is to be removed from his position effective immediately? >> they did what they had to do. there was no way that they could let him coach on saturday. to do that would be to endorse what happened. and what happened was someone told joe paterno that he saw a grown man molest a young boy in a shower and joe paterno, nobody did anything about it, and joe paterno, the most powerful man on campus, the most powerful man in town didn't follow up on it, didn't do anything about it. neither did the athletic director. neither did the vice president of the school, neither did the president of the school and they are all without jobs now and that's the way it should be. >> and stand by for us. mike, if i can go back to you and to the live pictures, what are you seeing right now? >> reporter: right now we saw fireworks being shot off. again, they are heading to an area -- i talked to a couple of students. basically, they are going to rally and chant. that will continue. they're going to have their voices heard. we saw a few fireworks. it's a few blocks away from where we are now. we are going to head to that area in a moment. but that's what we can tell you at this point. >> what about the point andy staple just made, that his view, some of these kids are out there, it's not just about joe paterno. it's about being young and full of adrenaline and wanting to be on tv? the students you've spoken to, what do they say about the reasons for being out there? >> well, i can't discount that. i'm sure that there is some of that. the students i talked to are all in support of joe paterno and to that point, yeah, we're talking about young students and to them, penn state is joe paterno and they are going to stick by him. he's almost a father or grandfatherly figure. he's an 84-year-old man on the job for 46 seasons. he is penn state. certainly they are going to be in support of him. i don't know how many read the grand jury report or anything like that. outside the walls of this school and outside of state college, obviously things change in the debate about joe pa turn know and change quickly. i saw a facebook poll on hln that said that 73% said that he should go and go now. and jason, you have been on the story, speaking to a lot of people there at penn state university. what do they say to you about the way forward and how they rebuild from this. >> well, i think this is what we're going to see here. i think we're going to have the sort of flashes of anger that paterno has been forced out but i think once that dies down, the story is going to shift to what jeffrey toobin is talking about, and that is back to jerry sandusky and his victims. isha, i spoke to a source close to the investigation that told me that the police tip line has received more than a dozen calls since tuesday from more people who say that they have been victimized by jerry sandusky. as you know, so far, he's been charged with sexually assaulting eight boys. eight boys. %ióci6e)v accordin the attorney general, they expect that number to grow, simply because this man for such a long period of time had access to young boys very easily. and in their opinion, that more victims would come forward. and that is what we're starting to see. so i think the story is going to start to shift. it's been focused on paterno because he's in some ways the face of penn state football. but then it should get back to what the story is about, it's not about football. it's about young boys who were allegedly sexually assaulted by jerry sandusky. and according to the attorney general's office, more victims are starting to come forward. >> tomorrow the conversation is going to be about the scenes that are playing out in these late hours and just really, i would imagine a great amount of debate there at penn state. >> absolutely, without question. the debate is something -- at a college campus, it's all about debate. and i think people will talk about, was the right decision made? was it made quick enough? these are the type of things that will go on and probably throughout the weekend since something that you do have a game coming up and it's a big football school. but once again, even paterno said himself yesterday in front of his home, his son, scott, echo be the same thoughts, which is, their thoughts were for the people who may have been victimized by jerry sandusky. and that's what he wanted the people who showed up at his home to think about and pray for. >> indeed. all of our thoughts and prayers. jason carroll and mike galanos and sports illustrated and cnn senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. our thanks to all of you. stay with us. our own anderson cooper has an interview with dr. phil mcgraw.i about all of this, all that's taking place at penn state university. my name is marjorie reyes. i'm a chief warrant officer. i love the fact that quicken loans provides va loans. quicken loans understood all the details and guided me through every step of the process. i know wherever the military sends me, i can depend on quicken loans. congratulations. congratulations. today, the city of charlotte can use verizon technology to inspire businesses to conserve energy and monitor costs. making communities greener... congratulations. ... and buildings as valuable to the bottom line... whoa ! ... as the people inside them. congratulations. because when you add verizon to your company, you don't just add, you multiply. ♪ discover something new... verizon. when you're a sports photographer, things can get out of control pretty quickly. so i like control in the rest of my life... especially my finances. that's why i have slate, with blueprint. i can create my own plan to pay down large purchases faster... or avoid interest on everyday items. that saves me money. with slate from chase, i'm always in control. financially, anyway. get slate with blueprint and save money. call 855-get-slate today. more now on the breaking news from penn state university. just announced a short time ago, the university's president and legendary head football coach no longer have jobs in the wake of the child sex abuse scandal. the board of trustees announced that president graham spanier will be replaced, and coach joe pa turnny has been removed from his position effective immediately. earlier, coach paterno said he had plans to resign at the end of the season. he was devastated by the developments in the case. grieve for the children and their families and prayed for their comfort and relieve. so many allegations against former assistant coach jerry sandusky. earlier anderson spoke with dr. phil mcgraw. >> dr. phil, i find this so stunning. and i guess the thing that x%>- people doing horrible things, but the fact that numerous people actually witnessed sandusky allegedly sexually assaulting these boys, raping these boys in a public space in the shower room. but none of them stepped in to stop the assault as they were actually talking place and didn't seem to really follow up beyond maybe an initial reporting to a supervisor and in one case to paterno. >> well, anderson, that's really disturbing at a couple of levels. you know, one of the things we know about children that are molested is that we are groomed for this. and whether it's through intimidation or whatever it might be, they don't have a voice. they don't have the ability to step up and stop what's going on. and when you have people in a position where they do have a voice, they do have power, that know what's going on, even see what's going on and they don't stop it, how do you go home and have dinner when you've walked past something like that and leave a child in harm's way? and then when it does get reported and people don't act on it, it makes you wonder, okay, they've got one agenda and they're going to pursue that at the cost of whatever. and when you're throwing children under the bus, leaving them isolated and alone, that is just the most repugnant thing you can imagine. >> before the break, we heard from a man who says when he was an adolescent, jerry sandusky repeatedly placed his hand on his leg. this happened multiple times over several years. other boys who were victimized by sandusky say it began with similar inappropriate touching. if the allegations are true, this guy sounds like a serial predator. >> well, what we know, anderson, is when you have a child molester, it is not atypical, it's not unusual at all for them to have 40 or 50 victims during their life. and they'll go until they've gotten caught and sometimes after they've been caught and then released. so if you see someone like that with a child, you've got to assume that there may be dozens of other victims. and so if you don't act, not only do you not help that child but you leave others in harm's way. and you wonder how ma&iy,6s&dren were impacted after someone actually witnessed this and they were victimized because somebody didn't step up and do the right thing. and that is so institutionally inconsistent with penn state and the message they put out. >> it also, you know, puts a question mark unfortunately over a lot of good folks who are working with kids and kids in, you know, precarious situations, kids in need, kids who don't have access to a lot of resources. this is a guy who formed a charity which is supposed to help kids in need, and now you wonder was the whole idea of his charity so he could get access to vulnerable kids. >> well, it may very well be. and here's the thing. and this is going to be very disturbing to talk about, but, look, we just need to talk about this. the truth is that stranger danger only comprises about 10% of the assaults that take place on children, sexual molestation. in 90% of the circumstances, it is someone that is known to them. and let me tell you who can be the most dangerous. it's the predator that understands that there is an at-risk child, maybe a single mother, maybe a mother and father that are both working and they're stressed, and so they step up and say, hey, let me lend a hand, let me help, let them be in my activity here or let me come and take care of them. so that the sad fact is, we have to look the hardest at those who reach out to impact our children. and that's so tragic, because most of those people are just good folks that truly want to help. but embedded in that group are the predators, because they're the ones that reach out and offer what seems like help when, in fact, they're targeting your child. and that makes it real tough for a parent to know who to trust. >> so what's your advice for parents on what they should be looking out for? >> well, one of the things you've got to look out for, if somebody is coming and offering to be involved with your child and help your child, you need to do a background check on him. you need to know. don't just take the fact that they seem to be credible, that they tell a good game, that they have a seemingly credible organization. you need to take the time to really do a background check. and if you've got somebody that is overly interested in your child and particularly if they know too much about their music, too much about their video games, too much about what interests those kids, if you've got a 40-year-old man who knows too much about what 5- and 6-year-old children are interested in and focused on, that's a warning sign. if you've