nearly 60% of americans believe that biden has made the economy worse. in a minute, james carville joins me to react to all of that. first, here's another case of how some democrats are spinning today. >> let's not forget, donald trump has three fewer candles on his birthday cake than joe biden. he also has 91 more criminal counts on his record than joe biden. >> if, a year from now, these numbers are the same, and this were a referendum, he would be in deep trouble, he would not when that. >> joe biden has incredible record to run. i will note that this poll has a margin of error of 6% when you are talking about democrats. >> if jim messina says we are bed-wetters, invest in pampers and depends. because a lot of people are terrified that joe biden is in real trouble. >> joining me now is former league strategist for bill clinton's 1992 presidential campaign. and the coast co-host of politics war room. james carville himself. james, thank you for being here. these polls seem to get at the elephant in the room when it comes to president biden. for voters, it is his age that they're concerned about, his mental acuity, his health. what does that tell us? >> i guess to say the least that the polls are not great. it tells us that voters are expressing some apprehension here. it's pretty clear. there is not much else you can see when you look at it. i guess, the best thing you can say is if anything it worked for trump, but, there is the apprehension out there that that's undeniable. but on the other hand, i point out, -- lost an election since the dobbs decision. it was supposed to lose in november, we didn't, so, i don't know. the polling that i have seen or anybody else has seen is not very good. i think -- jim messina said democrats -- bed-wetting but my wife would tell me to change to robert sheets. >> are you saying, then, that you are worried, that you think the democrats should be taken this more seriously? >> it's typically and the august or september before the election win the numbers went up are starting to move a little bit -- president president clinton's -- president obama. but you can't look at this and not say that you are concerned. to me -- to come on television and say i don't find this alarming troubling at all would be stupid. i wouldn't do that. >> look, the one thing that president biden cannot changes his age. so, in that case, what do democrats do? i'm sure you hear it as well. there are a lot of democrats who are maybe in their minds but at the dinner parties or that you, they're planning for someone else. are you hearing any real talk about another strategy here for the democratic party's age is one of those things that we cannot take off the table when it comes to president biden? >> honestly, i hear a lot of top -- any of it is substantial. with the cnn poll had a brouhaha but -- went very good either. this is been going on for a while now. if i tell you that people were not nervous, of course i'm sure the white house knows this, by the way. they don't need to be told that the president has an age problem. >> you've talked in the past about the deep and to the democrats have. do you think that should be unleashed in 2024? >> well, the number of crowds democrats and myself included really like president biden, a lot of them think he's done a good job, he's help them a lot, he's a very popular person with people. but, it depends on what happens here. it doesn't get any better, people are going to gets pretty shaky. >> it depends on what. are you saying it depends on how biden affairs against trump in the coming months, and at what point were democrats need to start making some choices? >> harold mcmillon macmillan said, events, dear boy. events. -- continue to -- that income start to inch ahead of the cbs, starting to do that now. but you are right. i have said there is a big -- there's much talk in the party about seeing the party had in my life i meant to be honest with you i will be 79 in october. so, there is a long and deep bench out there. >> you brought up the economy a couple of times, and i do want to get at this here. so, everybody knows, you coined this phrase, the economy, stupid. and i'd like to remind folks that the economy is objectively speaking improving. however, you look at the poll numbers, president biden's approval ratings are not good on this front. 58% believe his policies have worsened economic conditions and that has gone up by eight points since last fall. the white house's argument is that, if things continue to get better, this is going to be easier to message around, but the economy is getting better, and the numbers are getting worse. so, what now? >> -- would say. the clinton numbers and reagan was like a two party, 2% in august of 1983. he won reelection easily. clinton was, i don't know, 40 -- 45 or whatever. september of 1995, when he won reelection easily. so, the white house is saying, pretty clearly, that, as it takes hold, it will improve. it had improved. and i think part of the problem is why inflation is coming down, people feel -- still, it's high. you can't win an argument if people -- hardest thing to do in all of politics, when you are incumbent, and objectively you have the statistics to say, it's clearly getting better, but people don't feel it when you tell them it's getting better, they think you don't understand their lives. >> so, james, i'm going to ask you to put your pundit hat on for a second here. right? take your pundit hat off, or put it on. if democrats do need to find a challenger, to face whoever is on the republican side, and it's not president biden, just put the pundit hat on, who do you think is the best name out there that you have seen? >> every time that i give a list i forget someone. >> not a list. a name. a name. >> what i would say is, well -- it doesn't matter what i think. it matters what democratic voters think. >> fair enough. -- james carville, as always. >> i don't mind you asking me questions. but you will get a tooth out of my mouth before you get a name. thank you so much. >> tonight, the seemingly endless trump stream of donald trump loyal lust loyalists -- jury convicting former white house aide peter navarro of contempt of congress. he's joining another trump advisor, steve bannon, after they both of you to cooperate for january six investigation. those to join all the allies who were charged in the russia investigation from paul manafort, to roger stone, and don't forget of course, michael cohen, or the cfo of trump's empire, or the head of his committee, or the mar-a-lago aids in the documents case. of course, the 18 codefendants who are currently charged alongside him in the state of georgia. speaking of georgia, trump's lawyers are now signaling that they may ask to move his case to federal court. joining me now on all this, is atlanta trial lawyer and rico expert, joshua schiffer. joshua, trump officially now has notified the courts that he may, emphasis on may, try to move this case from the state level to the federal level. they're not going all the way, but can you just tell us your what are the advantages of moving this case out of georgia? >> out of georgia is unlikely, but moving it from the state court to the federal courts is something that we are actually already watching people like mark meadows do, with the assumption that a different jury pool, it would be a more broad jury pool not limited to just fulton county but a ten county area of kind of the north metro atlanta universe. that would be a more broad jury pool theoretically more conservative. it would also be less politically spicy, you could say, a federal trial wouldn't have the transparency that fulton county indicates it would. it would turn down the temperature, and federal courts, under the very honorable stephen jones, a. federal judge appointed by president obama, it's a little bit less austere and formal than a state court proceeding. that's going to be an advantage to the defense as we expect the president and the other codefendants to bring forward. >> as you alluded to there, potentially cameras in the georgia court system, no cameras in the federal court system, that's a huge difference for somebody like trump. but, you also pointed this out, mark meadows as always started down this. protests trump's team potentially want to see how this works out for mark meadows first before themselves finding out, saying definitively if they want to move it in federal court? >> absolutely, abby. that's precisely why they use that specific may language. we know judge jones is in a complex trial, it was this weekend predicted to go into next week, all while waiting for his ruling on the meadows removal petition that was heard on a prior monday. that is a big issue, because if it goes for meadows, maybe it's going to go for some of the other codefendants. now, the court would have to look at those individuals one by one, but then there's the argument that's what good for one would be good for all of them and the difficulties in severing the various defendants. but, we also recognize that what's mark meadows and possibly president trump and others are going to ask judge jones to do, is not very likely. traditionally, the federal courts and federal system differs state criminal prosecutions to the states. the states are the ones that have to take care of criminal actions within their borders as sovereign states. the federal government should only come in under very specific delineated situations. >> fulton county d.a. fani willis is pushing back against house republicans here in washington, who are trying to investigate how she has handled this fulton county indictment. in a letter to chairman jim jordan, a close trump ally by the way, willis accuses jordan of trying to, quote, interfere with an active criminal case. she argues, that your job description as a legislature legislator does not include criminal law enforcement, nor does it include supervising a criminal trial because you believe that doing so will promote your partisan political objectives. she goes on to say, it's clear you lucky basic understanding of the law. these. our wheel sharp words from fani willis. and she seems to be trying to say to jim jordan that she is not afraid to fight back here. >> you are being far too kind with the push. that was a lot more than a push, rarely do we see that strong language in something like this, a published letter that's going to be consumed by the community involving high-profile litigation. anybody that's ever sat and spoken with miss willis knows that that was her voice in that letter. you can literally hear her dictation of the terms, the mannerisms she uses, and what she did in that letter, similar to what alvin bragg did when jim jordan kind of pulled the same letter stunt investigation stands and the new york case, what's fani willis did is pick a part his entire argument, as well on top of that supplement it with arguments against and regarding other issues that are going to be coming up in the case. she even goes as far as to include arguments about, hey, fulton county, the only power you have as a congress person is over federal budgeting. look at how we spend our federal budgets. look at these programs. it was a full attack and throw did response. it was very powerful, and i think she ends up in a better position at the end of the day. >> well, as you said, it's not the first time we've seen jim jordan try something like this. we know that a lot of, it, frankly is aimed i did audience expecting his allies to defend him in this way. josh schiffer, thanks for joining us. >> thank you so much. >> and new reporting just in, that rudy giuliani owes millions of dollars in unpaid legal bills. hear what he is doing tonight to try and raise that money. plus, all the republican candidates, nikki haley is now firing the best against president biden in the hypothetical matchup. we'll discuss that as well. and, the liberal mayor going off on the white house and congress with a stark warning about the migrant crisis. >> this issue will destroy new york city. than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters. let me be direct... you're watching football wrong! what do you call a guy in face paint that can't get the game? 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he is going to act in hand these donors banking begging for money. >> there's some real problems. look, on the one hand, he's lost his ability to make a living as a lawyer. on the other hand, he apparently, by all accounts, has continued kind of living in the high style private planes, lots of travel, state dinners, lots of cigars, and membership in clubs and so forth. and it's not insignificantly, he just had a pretty ugly divorce with his third wife. and that put more financial pressure on him. so, would you giuliani has done about everything you can do to put yourself in the whole. and we will see if he fights his way back. one thing we are thinking about, for example, abby -- maybe he will use that to create a fund raising operation rather than just paying off your lawyers, and create some kind of ongoing enterprise or effort to try and go raise money for a legal defense fund. i think he is going to need more than just a couple of million dollars to get out of this whole. >> yeah, and that's basically what one of his attorney said tonight here on cnn in the previous hour. it's going to need a lot of money. he's going up here against the state and against a lot of huge corporations and multiple defamation lawsuits. errol louis, good to see you, as always. >> thanks, abby. and new york's mayor says the -- a new york congressman response to that next. plus, a developing story out of the entertainment world. jimmy fallon is now apologizing to tonight's show staff. what he's accused of doing -- that's coming up. what do we always say, son? 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