we can handle all 19 in 40 days. >> it's going to take four months, up to 150 witnesses. the fireworks are going to start going off. people don't want to go to prison. >> we heard from the most famous defendant, donald trump. >> will you testify in your own defense? >> that i look forward to. >> defendants rarely take the stand in real life. it would be a disaster. a brand new court filing investigating hunter biden reveals plans to indict the president's son on gun charges. >> he possessed a gun and filled out paperwork and falsified the document. >> it fuels what the republicans in congress are try ining to fa. >> the incredible video of an escaped killer scaling a brick wall. >> they have found footprints that he is in certain areas still. >> i haven't seen a manhunt that's lasted this long with so many sightings. you get this head coaching job and get diagnosed with k cancer. >> we circled up and said i want to share with you. >> were you scared telling them? >> i was. you have to set the example. leadership is not about you. >> you have a second chance now. you're making the most of it. >> i'm trying to. good morning, everyone. we're so glad you're with us. it is a busy day with a lot of fascinating news, including a new poll. >> with a lot of numbers that we want to dig into. also excited to see that piece you have been working on. >> i'm the bugger nfl fan here. >> that is clear. what's your fantasy team? what's the spread this weekend? it's all of our conversations in our office. >> football starts tonight in america. >> that's awesome. i love that. >> first, we want to talk about big numbers. numbers that, to some degree, are jarring given the scale and what they may mean for the current president. those numbers are looking rough for president biden. it could be a troubling sign for democrats and the hopes for reelection in 2024. biden's approval rating is sinking to 39%. close to 70% of democrats want somebody else if run for president. his overall approval rating is slipping from july. when it comes to hypothetical matchups between biden and the leading presidential candidates, it's a tight race with no clear winner. >> except for nikki haley, who is leading president biden by 6 points. donald trump ahead by 1 point. this all comes right before president biden heads off on a big foreign trip. he's set to meet with world leaders in india. happy to be joined in studio by david chalian with all this new polling. and some people think polls. this one is totally riveting and fascinating about how americans think joe biden is handling his job. >> it's going to set off some alarm bells in the white house. you noted his approval rating is down at 39%. 61% of americans disapprove. he's been hang ing at that low point for quite some time. we talk about the mood of the country. not that great. 3 in 10 americans, that's it, say things are going well in the country. 7 in 10 say things are going badly in the country. and 58% of americans in this poll say that joe biden's policies have actually worsened economic conditions in the country. only 234% say they have improved conditions. this is why we hear him talking about booid normalics every day he's out in the country. >> the president is the oldest president in history. it's just the reality. they don't love talking about it, but it's not the pervasive issue for voters. it's not going to be the determinant factor. >> it's on the mind of voters. we'll see how important it becomes, but it clearly is a major concern. we asked folks, do you think, are you concerned biden's age might negatively effect his ability to serve a full term. three quarters of americans are seriously concerned. three quarters of americans don't agree on anything, but there's concern there. seriously concern ed about his current mental and physical competence being negatively impacted by his age and seriously concerned his understanding of the next generation's concerns are impacted. 68% say that. and that economy as we talked about, that's what is behind these numbers. why joe biden is in a sort of dead heat margin of error race with nearly every republican tested. poppy note htheed that nikki haley is the except to that. pence, scott, crist tie, they are all with no clear leader. one other thing that is going to cause havoc is this motivation factor. are you extremely motivated to vote in the presidential collection. republican ares and republican-leaning independents have a 10-point advantage over democrats on that score. >> that really matters. thank you. let's talk about what the numbers portend. his former communications director also political commentator and former senior adviser to barack obama is david axelrod. you look at these numbers and they are not just not good, they are bad. >> i heard you say they were fascinating. i forget the other word you used. i'm not so sure that's how the president will receive them over his morning coffee. these numbers are not good, and they are consistent with most of the other polling that we have seen that countries in the sour mood. he's not getting credit for what i think is a fairly substantial list of achievements. and there's real concern about his age. that's been true for some time. it continues to be true. and the reality is if this were a referendum, he would be in deep, deep trouble. the fact that he is competitive with a guy who is the run away front runner for the republican nomination, who has some significant problems of his own is what he's looking at. and there's an expression in sports that sometimes you have to win ugly. i think that's what lies ahead here. >> when we worked on separate sides of the west wing, learned early on wondering in your office and asking about polling, any given day was not to elicit the most firm response. what are people missing here that the white house, that the political team for the reelection campaign knows that they are not seeing? >> remember polls don't get asked in a vacuum. there's a lot of information that doesn't get folded into a question the way it's posed to somebody who is responding to a poll. so you have voters raise that they would like to see someone else other than joe biden as the nominee. but then when they are asked who that would be, that number drops down to 1%. so what you don't see here is people being asked about where republicans, how they feel about where republicans stand on abortion, on guns, and we saw that dynamic play out in 2022 when people went to the polls and large ly rejected what republicans were offering. so i think what we aren't seeing here, and what is easy to look at a poll and get sucked into the numbers, although i'll tell you the biden white house is not going to be rattled by this because their view is going to be 500 polls. but there's a lot of information that isn't here that's a reminder that campaigns don't happen in a vacuum. it's on the biden campaign to make this election a choice and to make it about the contrast between what republicans are offering and what biden is offering. that's a challenge. i don't think anybody is saying that's easy. but that's the challenge before them is to really make this about the contrast as biden would say don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. >> what about the nikki haley aspect? that she's the one who beats biden in this hypothetical matchup by 6 points? >> i think she benefitted from that debate. she stands out from the field. she's the only woman in the field and she has significant general election advantages, but she's sitting at 5 or 6% in the republican polls. one of the issues here has been that republicans themselves believe that trump is the strongest candidate they have. and there has not been a coalesce sense around any other candidate who could challenge him for the nomination. she has a task to win the republican primary. one of the paradoxes of our contemporary politics is what it take ss to win a primary often makes you less appealing as a general election candidate because you have to attack so far to the right. so we'll see how she navigates that. right now, donald trump is the run away front runner. and it's not clear that she or or anyone can overtake him. >> it's something we have talked about over the last two years. that is that there's just kind of a general discontent that's hard to overcome based on the last couple years, covid and the pandemic and all these factors are coming from what they say the news isn't all that good. americans are settled that aren't always visible. and that defines the disconnect between accomplishments, the current state of the ma macroeconomy. those are the things the white house wants to talk about. how do you thread that together if you're the biden administration campaign? >> i think there's certainly truth to that. that's something that the president recognizes. when he is talking to his staff about what he wants to say, when he's going out to speak, he's very focused on making sure that he is talking about connecting with people's concerns. he believes that it's important for a president to show that he understands that people are feeling doubtful or dubious after a once in a generation pandemic that kind of rocked our world. so it is a challenge. for the president and the biden campaign, they have to continue to show that they connect with people's sense of unease, with us also remind them about how much has been done and critically convey a sense of optimism. remind people that we are on a good path and that there's opportunity for things to get better. i think he has a lot of points. in a very divided washington, he's been able to accomplish historic job creation, historic infrastructure bill that's fixing roads and bridges, there's a lot that he can point to to say i have been able to get things done to make your life better, and there's so much more to do. conveying that sense of optimism will be critical for the campaign. >> i think what struck me so much about this column is when he went beyond all the things just mentioned, rightly so, the legislative accomplish thes. he said easy to see as the frequent collapse of public order on the streets, our kids are not all right. easy to see the border crisis has become a national one. then he writes, not all the mentioned is biden's fault. but there's much more ruin than his apoll gists by selective statistics and too confident about the chances next year can eadmit. should biden definitely run again? should he definitely be the one? >> well, look. i have been very clear from the beginning -- let me say one thing as a preface to this. phil said something important, which is connecting up with the nation's mood. you can't jaw boeb people into feeling better. you can't jawbone people into thinking what they are experiencing isn't what they are experiencing. i think the president has to find a way to talk about the things that he's done in a context other than kind of asking for a report card from the american people because if that's what he does, it's pretty clear right now that that's not going to work out well. he takes more populous on the fights he's fought and why he fought them. he has a better chance. but in terms of your question, i have been very clear from the gunning. if you gave me joe biden and whopped 15 years off him and gave me this record, i would be very confident about the next election. that is not the case. navigating this age issue is hard. people are trying to postulate how he will perform when he's 83, 84, 85. and that's a difficult question to answer. but he is running. he's made clear he is running. i can tell you the mood of democrats is that as long as he is running, no one wants to challenge him and weaken him in what many democrats consider an existential fight with donald trump. if trump went away, i think the feeling might be different. i don't know. no president has ever been benefit ted from a primary challenge. and presidents generally win primary challenges. so i think this is in joe biden's hands. he has to decide whether he can complete this task and win this election and prevent what many people fear would be a disaster for the country. if not, he should step aside. but what i think and what other people think is not terribly important. what he thinks is because he's in control here. >> david, kate, really fascinating discussion. thank you. >> thank you. breaking down the key take aways from the first televised hearing in the georgia election case against donald trump and his co-defendants. the big question at hand, when and how long will the trial be. and right now we're keeping a close eye on hurricane lee. it's rapidly expected to strengthen into a catastrophic category 4 storm within the next 48 hours. the current forecast has the hurricane passing north of puerto rico, but it's too early to tell if and where the storm might make landfall after that. stay with us. we'll be right back. generalized myasthenia gravis made m my life a lot harder. but the picture started changing when i started on vyvgart. vyvgart is for adults with generalized myasthenia gravis who are anti-achr antibody posite . in a clinical ial, vyvgart significantly improved most participants' ability to do daily activiti when added to thei current gmg treatment. most participants taking vyvgart also had less muscle weakness. and your vyvgart treatment schedule is designed just for you. in a clinical study, the most common side effects included urinary and respiratory tract infections, and headache. vyvgart may increase the risk of infection. tell your doctor if you have a history of infections or symptoms of an infection. vyvgart can cause allergic reactions. available as vyvgart for iv infusion and now as vyvgart hytrulo for subcutaneous injection. additional side effects for vyvgart hytrulo may include injection site reactions. talk to your neurologist about vyvgart. flu shots at cvs are pretty... flex. schedule one for you... or the whole crew. plus, they're free. really? 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>> i didn't see any real surprises. it's pretty much a standard motion that we see in codefendant cases of the defense had an uphill battle because the guardrails that we have in case law and when a motion to sever is appropriate, there are lots of case law that comes down to those three things. the number of defendants, whether or not it would be confusing, whether there's so much evidence against one that it cowould engulf the other. and whether there were antagonistic defenses. what we saw yesterday, the defendants weren't pointing the fingers at each other. there were no an tag knitsic defense. pz we can keep that straight. and then there's evidence against one and the other. that was their main argument is there maybe days or weeks where we're just sit ting here and th judge it not find that pervasive. the strongest argument is that it is at the discretion of the court. but really the law is not on your side in that one. so i didn't find that surprising. what i did find that surprising is what we're going to see moving forward in the weekly check-ins. that's an efficient way to move a case this large when you can anticipate many pretrial motions going forward. >> one thing that was interesting is watching the judge and this willingness to be skeptical of the claims. he wants to move fast, but also being open about the fact that these are completely unchartered waters. >> yeah, and we were all closely watching the judge. he's 34 years old. he was appointed to the bench in february. and there are questions of what kind of presence he would be like in the courtroom in one of the biggest cases of our lifetime. and initially, he kind of sat back and listened. we didn't hear much from him at the beginning of the hearing, but he made clear exactly how skeptical he was of the d. aflt's timeline. and also showed that he knew he had to move fast, especially when it comes to the ken chesebro hearings in october. there's a real question now, are we going to be moving on one track or two? it looks likely there's going to be two. i was fascinated to see that. it was also interesting to watch the d.a.'s office tip their hand a little bit, more than 150 witnesses, 4 months, not including jury selection, pretty remarkable timeline. i was impressed to see the judge pushback on that and kind of show his skepticism. >> to that point, is it even feasible or plausible? >> i think it is. >> we'll see how long those cases are taking. >> melissa, go ahead. >> we look at the other cases we have seen, remember it took the grand jury heard evidence for months. and it took the d.a. herself two and a half years to bring the charges. so 150 witnesses. i do expect that to be paired down a lot. as long as the four months, i don't think that's an unreasonable timeframe. i think one of the reasons they gave that timeframe is to impress upon the judge how many times do you want to go through a trial this large and this long. >> but the voir dire is going to be really difficult. picking a jury, it's taken them months in fani willis' other rico case. i don't even know if they have seat adjure it's taken so long. >> they have been going through jury selection for about eight months now. there's not been a single juror selected. so i mean, that goes to show, and once we talk about somebody as polarizing as donald trump, it's going to be hard to find someone who don't have a solid opinion of him. that's something we're closely watching there. >> that's a lot to closely watch. an interesting first window into what will be a televised process. i know you'll be watching every step of the way. thank you very much. mike pence on the campaign trail calling out his former boss by name. he says the brand of populism is, quote, a road to ruin. how effective will that strategy be? 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