hampshire. on a day when he's gone from he said, she said to will he or won't he? >> mr. cain? jim acosta. are you vowing to stay in this race? is that your message? >> we're reassessing and re-evaluating. >> reporter: are you staying in the race? >> how soon until we have a final answer on your future plans? >> we'll be making a decision in the next several days. >> thank you, sir. >> sounds like he's re-evaluating and reassessment. cain told fox news he'll fly home over the weekend to talk to his family face-to-face and says that the atlanta woman hassal tearer motives. >> we have no idea who it is. but i just happen to know that the reason that i was trying to help her as a friend financially is because she was in some deep financial problems about to not even be able to pay her rent. so i don't know who's behind it. but at this point, we're going to try to figure out as much as we can. because this is a direct character assassination. >> two gop hopefuls are with us tonight, ron paul. congressman, welcome. >> thank you. >> i just have to start with herman cain. the herman cain train as they call it seems to have hit the buffers. politically, are you getting the sense that it's all over? is he toast? >> well, it's hard for me to know. i guess it's anybody's guess. but i wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't wait it out and does the caucus in iowa and new hampshire election. but, you know, who knows? he could decide tomorrow what he's going to do and drop out. i have no idea. >> do you feel sympathy for him? >> i don't know about sympathy. i wish we didn't have to talk about it. i wish if he is having political troubles and he has to drop out, i'd rather him drop out because he used to work for the federal reserve and he wants to give us a national sales tax. that, to me, has a great deal of effect on all americans if those kind of policies would be accepted. >> i mean do you think he would be married to your wife for 55 years, do you think kind of allegation, personal issues, are they still as relevant do you think to the electorate? never mind washington but to the electorate as they used to be? >> probably not. i mean if you take what happened to bill clinton, it didn't seem to bother his re-electability. i don't think so. but, you know, i place a little blame on the media. there is a lot of dwelling on this. but it's just too bad we don't talk about the issues more than we talk about. they take up so much time and energy being put into this. but on the other side is people do deserve to know about the people they're voting on, too. >> now you are in new hampshire now. and the race is holding up big time. we're a few weeks away from when it gets really serious. newt gingrich appears to be on a roll. the latest polls from new hampshire suggest he's doing well there. he's surging in florida. clearly a band wagon growing behind him. what do you make of this? >> well, i guess you could compare it to many others that have done this. you know, two weeks ago herman cain was at the top. so things do change. and they change for three or four already. so i think only time will tell. and i think we stick to what we've been doing for the last year working in iowa and new hampshire. and we don't go up and down. we grat gradually go up and steadily go up. i think that's a health yea way to -- healthy way to do it. we're in second or third place. and we're in double digits. so we feel comfortable about that. but so far we haven't had any spurts. we want to have a spurt at the last minute, you know, when the election occurs. >> they say can you always tell who is a front-runner because all the rivals launch attack ads. you called perry a serial hypocrite. explain yourself, mr. paul. >> he's had different positions on a lot of the ish sues and doing environmental ads with nancy pelosi and supporting bailouts and all these things. he's been flip-flopping in his medical position, his hardly free market medicine and pointing out those things and how he's on every side of the issue. he hardly can declare himself now a conservative. you know, when he first ran, he described himself as a rockefeller type republican. and that used to be, you know, a pretty serious charge. so, no, he didn't identify with the conservatives when he was in kang even though verbally he might. but his positions weren't all that conservative. >> congressman, today the economy got a huge boost. the central banks and the fed all got involved and as a result of their direct intervention, markets around the world have surged today. one of the biggest leaps in nearly three years. is this bad news for the republicans? i mean if this has the desired effect on the global economy and impact favorably on jobs. is barack obama sitting pretty? >> time will tell. the markets responded. this is a sign of desperation. and it's also a sign that our dollars are going to be used to bail out europe and the banks over there. the banks are in hawk with all this debt. they don't want the banks to go under. many of the banks have, you know, a branch from american banks and there is credit default swaps that can be used if they don't bail them out. so this is buying on bad debt. i think it shows how serious the problem is. and they're reacting in a very, very major manner. but it's bad for the dollar. it's bad for the persons in power of our money much it's bad for the inflation that's coming. and they haven't done anything. as a matter of fact this is exactly opposite of what needs to be done. when a world is swimming in debt and malinvestment, you have to get rid of it. in the last 50 years or, so people refuse to do it. and what they do is prop up the debt or they take the debt from the sovereign states or from the banks and they bail them out just as we did in '08 and '09. it's a worldwide phenomenon. and they know how serious it is. but the solution that they're proposing is only prolonging the agony. that means it's going to be a lot longer until we get real growth in the world economy again. >> congressman, it's been a pleasure as always. i'm going to leave you for one of your rivals who is waiting, chomping at the bit. thank you very much for now. >> all right. thank you. >> and that rival, of course, is former senator rick santorum. senator, how are you? >> i'm doing great, piers. thanks for having me on. >> my pleasure. you're'doing very well in the polls. let's cut to the quick. you are seriously struggling. what are you going to do to save the day for your campaign? >> what matters is what's going on in the polls. if you look at what's going on in iowa and you read the reports and you talk to the activists and the people that show up to the caucuses and as was mentioned, 120,000 people came to the caucuses. we've been to all 99 counties. we've had over 250 town hall meetings. we've built a strong organization. there, as i might add, kongman paul has done. he spent time there and built that organization. >> let me jump in. i was actually referring to a local poll, the new hampshire poll. and you were bottom of the table with 1%. >> yeah, again, doinlt i don't really worry about new hampshire polls. once we win iowa and i really do believe we'll win iowa, once we win iowa, those polls in new hampshire and south carolina and the country will dramatically change just like they've changed over the past six months or four, five different candidates who have gone from 1% or 2% all the way to 20% and 30%. the american public has not focused on this election. i would make the argument that most people in new hampshire have not started to focus on this election. it doesn't mean much now. they're going to start over the next few weeks as we get down to these caucuses in iowa, they're going to start focussing and we're going to come up in the polls and do better on caucus day than the polls indicate. because we've got the strong organization and we spent the time on the ground that these other candidates haven't. and the same goes with new hampshire, i might add. >> when i talked to you before, you know, you're a man of strong morality. you have strong feelings about this. what do you think if herman cain's crisis that he's in, where he's being hit with this slew of sexual allegations? >> what karen and i do in all of these races is we pray for all of the folks that have to go through this very difficult process. and we do it every day. this is a very tough business. and, you know, a lot of horrible things are said and thrown at candidates every single day. my job is to just, you know, not make -- have it be a distraction for us. and it's not been. we continue to talk about how we're going to create jobs and how we're going to con front a potential nuclear run and eniran and what to do about that and strengthen the american family. all of those are important to america and that's what our campaign is focused on. all we do is pray for herm an an as we do every other candidate. >> you spoke very emotionally, very recently about your daughter. she's 3 1/2 years old. she has this awful condition. and you're having to spend all this time on the campaign trail. you know, every candidate goes through a lot of self-sacrifice for them and their families. how's it been for you in particular living with this and having to run for president? >> oh, it's very difficult. we knew that. i mean karen and i and the kids, we prayed a lot about it. we talked a lot about it. and, you know, our daughter who is the absolute joy of our family, she is just this pure smiles and joy and we just love her to death. she really does -- she is the center of our life and our family. and it's hard. it's hard to be away from her. i'll see her later tonight. i'll be with her tomorrow. but there are a lot of days and nights that i'm not around and that's a sacrifice. but we, again, we really did think long and hard and pray long and hard about whether this was the right thing for us to be -- i was going to be the best father. what would i do? i really believe going out and making sure that america is free and safe and prosperous and making sure that our children are not saddled with an oppressive government health care system that over time will not provide the kind of access to care for those on the margins of life as we go to a utilitarian view of how health care is managed. these children and other countries around the world simply do not get the access to care that they thankfully do here in the united states. and that's -- that to me was a higher calling. at least in the short term for bella and for our family. >> rick santorum, pleasure talking to you again. best of luck. >> thank you so much, piers. i really appreciate the opportunity. >> thank you. tomorrow, i'll have an exclusive interview with herman cain's attorney which promises to be very revealing. he says and i quote, it will be the talk of the town. so we'll see. that's my exclusive interview herman cain's attorney tomorrow night. whether we come back, penn state coach jerry sandusky, complete with shocking new details. daddy, come in the water! 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>> well, what he feels and what every survivor feels when they hear that kind of denial and minimization is fury. because there is a tendency of people like we just heard to want to believe the most powerful and effective among us like jerry sandusky wouldn't do something like this. he couldn't do something like this. we don't want to believe it. and when survivors and courageous survivors with whom we work every day hear denial like that and everybody coming to the aid and rally of the powerful offender or accused offender, it causes them a great deal of anxiety and compounds oftentimes the harm that's already been done. >> one of the most sickening aspects of your client's claims and lawsuits and they are claims, i'll read the statements. but he was groomed as a young child through this second mile charity which is just grotesque. what do you feel about the way the charity was set up, about the other victims who may have been abused under the umbrella of this charity? what should happen to him now? >> well, what i feel is important as what we need to really do and the question we need to ask first is why did jerry sandusky for as long as he did be allowed to do what he did for decades to so many kids while so many people around him saw the signs or got the reports and did nothing and chose instead to protect him and the institution. and that's the real question. it's painful question and the answer is even more painful. they chose to protect their reputation, the power, and the man that they believed couldn't and wouldn't do this instead of the kids. and they put that reputation and that institution first. and that is the answer that really requires the hard and rigorous lesson to be learned. we have to heed the signs and the signals. this grand jury report said that there were 17 men that either received reports or saw it and didn't act. >> okay. jeff anderson, i have to leave it there. thank you very much for coming on the show. i will out of fairness now read two statements, one from penn state, they say we have not yet receive copies of the documents filed with the court. we're unable to comment on specifics related to the case. and the statement from the second mile charity, we will review the lawsuit and respond appropriately when we have done so. the second mile will adhere to its legal responsibilities throughout this process as always our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. families. an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan... insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. all medicare supplement insurance plans can help pay... some of what medicare doesn't, so you could save... thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket expenses. call now for this free information kit and medicare guide. if you're turning 65 or you're already on medicare... you should know about this card -- it's the only one of its kind endorsed by aarp; see if it's right for you. all medicare supplement plans let you keep your own doctor, or hospital that accepts medicare. there are no networks and no referrals needed. help protect yourself from some of what medicare doesn't pay... and save up to thousands of dollars in potential... out-of-pocket expenses with an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan... insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. call this toll-free number on your screen now... for this free information kit, including this... medicare guide and customized rate quote. phoebe prince's suicide after being bullied by school classmates drew worldwide attention from deadly dangers of bullying. two years later, children are still dying. this last week a 10-year-old illinois girl took her own life after what her parents say was intense bullying in her school. joining me now is anna o'brien, phoebe prince's mother in her first and only television interview. ann, thank you very much for agreeing to do this interview. why are you doing it? >> well, i think a lot of mistruths have been written about phoebe and i think that it was time to take her back to reclaim her as ours and to put an end to some of the stories that have been going around. >> there has been so much speculation about what happened to phoebe. were you taken back by the worldwide attention? >> very much so. >> didn't expect it at all. but the media got involved pretty much the evening of phoebe's death when the superintendent released her name. and it started a whirlwind of intrusion and interest. and the following week the principal and others sent a letter to all the parents and they posted on the school website and they called phoebe complicated and that she had been seen in adjustment counseling even though she only saw this woman once. >> let's go back to the start here, ann. let's get this in order. it is important to do. i want to know how you feel about every step of the way here. you bring a family from ireland to america in the summer of 2009. why did you do that? what was the motivation? >> i was taking a career break. and teaching -- i was going -- well, i did, teach in the states. and i thought the girls would get a taste of america. it could be a fantastic year for them. >> were you worried about how your children would react when you came to america? how they would adapt? >> no, not really. they were both excited about it. i think lauren -- lauren struggled a bit more than phoebe. phoebe fit right in at the beginning of the school year. >> what kind of girl was she, phoebe? >> oh, extraordinarily intelligent and vivacious and great sense of humor. and a foodie. she loved her food. constantly was eating and not putting on any weight. it really wasn't fair. >> was she a confident girl? >> in ways, she was. and in other ways, she wasn't. and i don't think she -- she wouldn't have been outgoing in some ways and other ways she would have. i don't know how to describe it. >> how did all this play out? when you enroll phoebe at the school, you did tell the officials she was susceptible to bullying? >> i did. i did. and that she was vulnerable. the guidance counsellor who i met with -- >> why did you say that? what made you feel that? >> phoebe, she had -- she had a run in with some girls before. >> ireland? >> yeah. but nothing -- nothing too dramatic dramatic. but phoebe would be -- phoebe kept things to herself. she internalized a lot of pain or stressful situations. so my point of warning the school or, you know, advising the school was that she wouldn't necessarily come right out at the beginning and say oh, this is happening. she would initially internalize it. >> you wer