have to retire from the lakers. plus, tonight, only in america. presidential bracketology explained. this is arsenio hall tonight. good evening. i'm arsenio hall in for piers morgan. our big story tonight is the verdict in the tyler clementi case. the rutgers university freshman who killed himself in 2010 after he learned that his roommate had used a hidden web cam to spy on his sexual encounter with another man. and today that roommate, dharun ravi was convicted on most of the charges. joining me to talk about the case that shocked the nation, attorney lisa bloom and dr. drew pinsky host of cnn's "dr. drew." let's start legally. take the nation through this decision. >> it's a fairly complicated decision. 15 counts allege he was found guilty of most of the 15. what the jury will to do, look at a set of facts that was pretty clear. we know from the technological evidence, about the tweets, e-mail, where the computer and web cam was, we know the defendant put a webcam unbenoens td to the victim in the dorm room and videotaped him having sex with another man but he e-mailed about it, tweeted about it and a lot of negative language about again men. all very clear. the hard thing for the jury, get inside the mind ever the defendant, mr. ravi and get inside the mind of the victim, mr. clementi. they have to do that in criminal law all the time and it's difficult. the jury said we can't say mr. ravi intended a hate crime but we can say mr. clementi received it it as a hate crime so he was found guilty on a number of biased crimes and invasion of privacy. he's looking at up to ten years behind bars now. >> i keep hearing about him being sent back to india. >> he can be deported. he was offered a plea deal several months ago where he would only have to do community service, get counseling and the state would try to prevent him from being deported. that was denied. and now as he's kwicted of felonies, he is facing deportation. >> dr. drew, look at the dad. check out this clip. >> to our college, high school and even middle school youngsters i would say this -- you're not necessarily going to -- you're going to meet a lot of people in your lifetime. some of these people you may not like. but just because you don't like them, does not mean you have to work against them. when you see somebody doing something wrong, tell them. that's not right. stop it. >> that's tyler clementi's dad. do you think he will feel justice was served? >> oh, i do. the fact is that he was really found guilty of just about everything. legal nuance there was aspects where he was acquitted, but the reality is the jury spoke and it's pretty clear they held him accountable for what he did. what i like about what mr. clementi said, it's no longer okay to be a screwball in college. a lot of screwballs doing screwbali things. i hope i'm clear enough using this language. when we hurt other people it's not okay, and you, everyone else, who's around the screwball, no other word to use tonight, but have to speak up as well. because co-mission will be held accountable here as well. speak up when you see something doing something wrong. by the way, let me say something sympathetic towards mr. ravi, if one of his friends had spoken up he wouldn't be in this position. it might have made him think twice about what he was doing. listen, these are kids. need to shake them and think about what they're doing. no one did that. most felt uncomfortable, participated in some degree or another and as a result we have this verdict. >> did ravi the tweets nail him? >> i think they did. when he says, this is my roommate, with a dude. yeah. that indicates he's anti-gay and let's keep in mind, lg bt hate crimes, they have a real epidemic. epidemic of teen suicide from gay and lesbian people. we have to be sensitive to this. somebody might like at it, a kid being a screwball fooling around online. the consequences, of this kashgs speaks loudly. >> that's the message tonight. which is that this is not something that can be taken casually, can sit back and wait on these issues. literally costing people's lives. the bullying going on in social media and through the internet is not just unpleasant. it has real world consequences, and you know, i think a lot of messages have been sent today. >> when we look back one day at this like it was brown versus the board of education for social media? will this be a precedent? >> it's a trial decision. not a supreme court decision. i hope everyone will see this as a wake-up call. online bullying is not okay. we have a far, long way to go in terms of education, for tolerance, for lgbt folks. a top violinist, a promising future who took his own life because he was so humiliateed by his roommate. >> we said his name wrong. tyler clementi. >> did you say roberto clemente? i want to paraphrase what lisa just said, arsenio. no. because i think that we are going to have to go through this and through this and through this unfortunately. this is not the first time, it's not the last time. it's a nice clear message. i've dealt with this on my show egg l regularly. bullying issue. it's not the first finding of guilt in this regard but it's an important one and i think one we will point as as part of the turning at the top. >> jersey law is different than most states regarding this. explain. >> most states have hate crime laws. jersey is a little complicated, because of what i just talked about. you have to get inside the mind of the defendant, get inside the mind ever of the victim. a lot of elements. everybody be clear, hate crimes are illegal everywhere whether based on race, genter, sexual orientation, religion or gender. this is a very important issue for the country, and i urge parents who are concerned about this case to talk to your kids. what kind of language are you using about your schoolmates? what do you think is a joke? snag can be very harmful to somebody. >> by the way, this leaked over into how people speak about women bp those story, in the press constantly. how people are referring to women. whether it's the right or left. awful language directed at women these days. >> rush limbaugh. >> the latest version. but a lot of horrible, horrible language. >> and bill maher on the other side. >> true. and women i don't think speak up loudly about it. >> i'm pretty loud. >> talking about lgbt issues. >> nobody accuses me of not being loud. >> when you get right down to it, you're right. >> i'm the father of a 12-year-old. kids who are bullied, kids who are bullies what should we as parents be telling our children? >> the most importance thing i tell parents, not what they tell themselves. don't ever tell yourself, not my kid. no matter what the issue is. it can be your kid. we can't imagine it's our kid. don't want to believe it's our kid. it can be our kid. we have to be listen lent. we have to do the job of parenting. whether it's shaping their value system, how they relate to substances, or how they talk about other people. it is really important. keep in mind, by the way, the ones that aren't bullied sometimes become the bullier and vice versa and so if you at one time are defending your kid against bullying keep an eye on that kid, because tables might turn one day. >> a specific example for parents, actually wrote a book called "swagger" coming out in two months. >> very good. i read it. >> i implore parents to get the user name and password for every account that your kid has. whether facebook -- >> she's right. because, listen, the internet becomes, then, your friend. you can be a source of information, it's a way to monitor kids while if they're out there on their own, it's like putting them out in the world at a younger age. >> as an attorney, the state can't go on people's private facebook pages or twitter page, but parents k. and should. >> and parents have the obligation to go on. you might find out, for example, child forbid, your complied is suicidal. bet urry find it out now. that your child is bullying. you can have a conversation with your kid. >> and a little note for parents. parents don't want to hear this. go downstream and hear how other kids are talking about your kid. keep going. tons ever information on the internet but you must be internet save. educate yourself. >> don't sneak around. tell your kid, yes, you can have a facebook account but i'm going on any time i want. if you don't like it you don't have to have a facebook account. you would not allow your child to wonder around the globe at 17 or 18. they should not be allowed to roam around the world wide. >> we any opportunity parents have to talk about how serious this mats matter is, look what's going to happen to mr. ravi. he'll be in prison, this is not a casual matter. somebody's dead. somebody's going to prison that fleeds to be addressed. >> this follows mr. ravi the rest of his life. he may not be able to voete. may be ineligible for student loans a lot of jobs. this is going to have consequences, literally, for the rest of his life. >> is thas rumor? did ravi try to apologize but we think the message never got to clementi? >> he -- there's some conversation he had with him that still is unknown. >> there was an e-mail. >> yeah, but we don't think that tyler clementi received it. >> and he intended -- there's all this information about him feeling remorse or at least alleges remorse, but never -- never really getting it to mr. clementi. >> yeah. tyler clementi's e-mail he was going to jump off the george washington bridge was a format. >> thank you both. this is what i needed. refocus. >> so nice to have you here at cnn. come back. >> i'll do cue cards even if they don't give me a job to come back to this position. when i come back here with you, one on one with magic johnson and his love pli wife cookie johnson. they're first interview together outside their home. ♪ oh! 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[ laughter ] it was freshman year. he had just got there. so, no. not yet. >> but that night -- she was just awesome, and -- >> what was it about her specifically? was it the conversation. obviously she was fine, and you've mentioned the jeans. >> yes. >> but what was it about, that conversation? >> i think, arsenio it was just the way she carried herself. >> right. >> and, yeah. well, she was definitely that. and i found that out quickly, but as -- she was leaving, i asked her for her phone number, and she gave it to me, and then as soon as the first day we got back at school, because she kept saying, you're not going to call me. >> that's the thing he's leaving out. we never spoke again that night. okay? except for at the very end. he never asked plea to dance. he never said anything else to me. he never even came near me. i was with my other friends. i had a good time, because i'm from detroit. i love to dance. you know? so that was my thing. i like to dance. so i was out with my friends dancing and at the end of the evening the lights cull on you know the club is closing, i was about to leave and help was there behind me sitting there. as i walked by and said, nice meeting you. that's when he said, well, hey, can i get your phone number? and i laughed at him. because, you haven't said one word to me all night. you know? >> but i watched you. >> what kind of game was that? why did you play it that way? >> well, you know. >> i want to hear you tell her and the world. >> i had to be cool. i had to just lay back. not sure that i really was watching her all night. i had to just -- lay back. let all the other guys think that -- i should say think that they had a shot at her when i knew this is going to be my girl. you know? and oh -- sure enough, first day, and -- arsenio, i had one snut my cl suit in my closet and i pulled it out. >> with a reversible jacket. >> really? they made a reversible jacket? >> plaid on one side and solid on the other. >> i pulled that suit out, dusted it off and took her on a real date. >> a real date is like going to par buy's or something, burger king but he actually took me to a real restaurant. yeah, he did. it was great. >> wa there's a magical moment gentleman moment where you looked at him, and felt -- i could go the distance with this man? >> well, you know what it was -- you know, i was very nervous about it, because, of course, he was the big man on campus, and i really didn't know much about him, but when we met, we would -- we would talk. it was very easy conversation. and it was, like, we knew each ear for a long time. you know? and so it was very comfortable. it was nothing to be nervous about. it was, like, old friends. and -- that's when i knew -- i mean, this is good. this could be really good. >> yeah. >> because, sometimes you meet people and they're really hard to get the conversation started. you're like, pulling teeth to -- you know? you just don't have that comfort level. >> i've seen millionaire matchmaker. it's brutal sometimes. it's work. >> it definitely is. >> and it was very comfortable. >> it was great, because we became really good friends as well as, you know, we were dating as boyfriend and girlfriend. so -- >> so there's a point when he leaves the midwest and comes to hollywood. was there ever a conversation where you thought about going to hollywood? i know you were inlt sales, at a department store. correct? back then? >> yeah. i was an intern. because my path was to be a buyer. that's when i was studying in michigan state, to be a buyer. so after i graduated, he left two years into college. so i stayed to finish, and when he left, we had broke up when he left anyway. when he left. there was a lot of breaking up in between there. so it was not this -- fairy tale love story. it wasn't that. it was real. it was real. >> at one point engaged and called it off. >> twice. >> twice, yes. >> do you remember either of the reasons for consulting the engagement off? >> yes. >> he was going with the publicist answer and said, yes. yes. >> yes, i do. >> a woman always remembers. remember that. >> what did he do? wrong? >> what did he do wrong? >> what did he do wrong? he didn't do anything wrong. he got scared. >> i was married to basketball. >> he got scared, and, you know, he was such an intense player, it just -- he had these rituals. he had to be alone before the game. he had to do this, and he was worried if i moved there, i would move into his world, and i would disrupt, you know, what, the concentration he for basketball. and even though he loved me and wanted me there, it was something about that that scared him. that he wouldn't be able to be the player that he was, and be married at the same time. >> i'll tell you something else. i always feel that l.a. ruins good women. you're the only woman i know that's been out here for 20 years, and still, we love her. >> yes. >> we're going to take a quick commercial break, and come back and talk about how this city and many things that went on in this city changed your lives forever. but helped us as a nation and as a world. we'll be right back. 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[ laura ] hot, right out of the shell. i love lobster. i'm laura mclennan from spruce head, maine, and i sea food differently. because of -- the hiv virus that i have attained, i will have to retire from the lakers. i plan on going on, living for a long time. bugging you guys like i always have. so you'll see me around. >> that was the moment in 1991 when magic johnson's life changed forever, but nobody could have predicted then that he'd still be sitting with us today, and at the top of his business game. magic is with me along with his lovely wife cookie. you all are the only people i've ever interviewed that use nicknames all the time. i've never heard you call her irleitha. am i saying it right? named after -- your dad, and -- so i use nicknames. cookie and magic. where were you when he first told you that he was hiv positive? >> we were at home in our office, in our den area, yes. >> so he didn't call you and warn you? he just came home to make the announcement? >> he called me and said that i'm on my way home, which i was like, what jie ju? i just sat down to watch him. the game was about to call. >> you're getting a call from someone who who should be going lay layups? >> yes. a girlfriend was over, we got our food together and were going to watch the game. he said i'm on my way home. what do you marine? that scared me. he said, i'll tell you when i get home. >> what was that ride like, to give her this news? >> arsenio, the worst ride of my life, because when you make a mistake, it actually hurts other people. you know? and i was about to hurt the woman that i loved. my best friend. >> uh-huh. >> a person who had been in my corner through everything. thick and thin. and so to deliver this devastating news, and, also, i was worried about her own health and then our son e.j., she was pregnant with our son at that time. >> now, you had just found o