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does anything go to motive that you can share with us? >> you know, i am speechless, because i have been asked this, and obviously, a deeply troubled, twisted, delusional person. i can't for the life of me, i don't -- you know, i can't conceive of a motive. >> we might have to leave that to the psychiatrists. has there been any, and can you tell me if the parents have talked to the suspect? >> again, i don't know that. i know that they have done hundreds of interviews, so they are certainly leaving no stone unturned. >> and let's talk about those who are remaining injured and i know that several are still in critical condition, and what do we know about the status of those that were injured? >> well, the, you know, i spent yesterday, most of yesterday going from hospital to hospital and talking to the families and in some cases talking to the wounded. it was amazing how buoyant the spirits were in many of the rooms, and being with people who had suffered grievous wounds. i mean, there is a resiliency and i don't believe it is just colorado, because the west is always known for that kind of strength of character and the comeback and rebound, but it is something that i felt was an american quality. at one point i talked in one hospital three different countries who were refugees, and one was from tunisia and one from jordan and one from asia all wounded and all came to this country escaping violence, and to a person they said, we love america. we still love america. we are so glad we are here. it was very touching. >> i know that you have been on the phone with the president, and the president is coming to visit you today. and what can you share with me about his reaction and what will transpire today when he gets there? >> well, he called me, you know, very early on friday morning. he, obviously, wants to do what he could to help. he, again, said, if i'm a distraction or problem in any way, i don't, and you know, i shouldn't come. and as we talked to individuals in the hospital, and we talked to the mayor hogan from aurora who has done an incredible job, and pretty much, it was unanimous that the president could come, it would be a very, very positive thing for this community, for especially the families of the victims. >> and what will he be doing there? meeting with the people in the hospitals or a service he will at the end? >> i believe he is going to meet with a group of the families and the victims that have come there. he is planning to go to the hospital. they have not finalized the itinerary, because we have a large public community vigil in aurora another 6:30 tonight. he felt that was too distractive, and it would have been, because everybody would have come two hours early and would have overpowered it. it was sensitive that he recognize recognizes le do what he can to help the families, but not disrupt anymore than absolutely necessary. >> and you said something on friday that caught my attention talking about the safety, relative safety of the country and the state and the cities, and you said, we need to recognize that we can't allow people who are aberrations of nature to take away the joys and the freedoms that we enjoy. i know you know that the u.s. conference of mayors, and along with mayor bloomberg in particular of new york and some on capitol hill, and former governor rendell have all said, folks, we need to get serious about gun control. i wonder in the statement that you made, were you speaking in particular of the second amendment or what were you talking about there? >> no. i was talking -- i mean, i think that the political will come, but at this point, you know, in a funny way, this guy is a terrorist, right. he wasn't a terrorist in the sense of politics, but for whatever twisted reasons that we can barely even imagine, he wanted to create terror. all right. he wanted to put fear in people's lives, and for so many of us, movies are one of the places that we find solace and get away from the life. and it is hot in the summer and the movie theater is cool, and when it is freezing in the winter, the movie theater is warm. you get to get outside of the daily life, and we can't let him take that away from us. and my chief of staff, her daughter organized 20 kids last night all in the early 20s to go see "batman" to drive a stake in the ground to say, we won't be terrorized or accept that. we won't let that happen. >> when you look at what transpired here, a man apparently with no criminal background and no contact with police, and speeding ticket was the only thing found there, when you look and if you are not familiar with the interior west or the midwest or, you know, obviously lots of rural places here on the east coast and don't totally understand a gun culture, when you look at what this young man was able to the acquire over three or four months with an assault weapon, a shotgun, a .009 glock, and another .009 millimeter, and people stand back and say, some bell should have gone out, and somebody say, whoa, somebody is collecting an arsenal, and yet no way to collect those things, and should there be? >> well, i'm not sure that there is any way in a free society to be able to do that kind of -- and he was buying things from different places. certainly, we can try and i'm sure we will try to create some checks and balances on these things, but it is an act of evil. if it was not one weapon, it would have been another, and he was diabolical, and to look at what was inside of that apartment, and even now it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. he was -- and it is terrifying that he could spend so much time planning such evil. >> do you see any law anywhere that could stop a man with no record in a society that protects the second amendment that might have prevented this? >> well, we are certain ly looking at that and trying to say, you know, how do you prevent this, and you know the virginia tech shootings, and i look at we have been lucky of the shootings all across the country, and you know, dare i say, how do we preserve our freedoms, right, and all of those things that define this country and yet try to prevent something like this happening. let me tell you that there's no easy answer. there isn't. >> what i hear from you is that you are open to people who want to suggest a gun law or something that might prevent this sort of thing, but at the moment, you can't imagine what that would be. >> yeah. i mean, i'm happy to look at anything. but, again, this person if we had, if there were no assault weapons available, and no this or no that, this guy is going to find something, right. he knows how to create a bomb and who knows where the mind would have gone clearly very intelligent individual, however twisted, and you know, i don't know but that is the problem, and this is really, and this is a human issue, and in some profound way that this level of d distushed individual that we can't recognize it. that, the people around him obviously had no idea that this was something that he was capable of. >> right, right. governor john hickenlooper of colorado. a rough, rough several days for you and so many people in colorado. certainly, we are thinking about you out here on the east coast. thank you. >> thank you, and trust me, we will rise above this. i guarantee it. >> thanks. so how much do we owe you? 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is that it? i hate to be sarcastic, but because of our failure to assist, because of our failure to lead other willing nations in the region like turkey and saudi arabia and qatar and others, the situation has now deteriorated to a situation which is really, re really very dangerous. we now have -- >> it is retrievable? >> well, it is retrievable, but it is far, far more difficult and complicated than if we had weighed in a long time ago. more al quaid fighters and media reporters that chemical weapons are moved around and israel concerned about some of the chemical weapons reaching hezbollah. not to mention the massacre of 17,000 or 18,000 people? while this edadministration has relied on the goodwill of russia and the united nations security council and relied on russia for a long period of time that they would take bashar al assad to russ russia. it has been shameful. it is shameful. and we need to, and now the latest reports are that they are going to help, but they are not going to provide weapons. they want other countries to do that. these are helicopter gunships, tanks, artillery that are slaughtering people, and now there is a risk, and i'm not saying it is going to happen, but a risk that in the desperation, bashar al assad may use the chemical weapons, but cle clearly the israelis see this as a serious threat, because the situation has gone on and on and more extremists have come into the fight, and the more difficulty there is going to be after this is over. >> well, we are kind of where we are where we are, so as of right now, we are still sort of working through the u.n. or trying to work through the u.n. -- >> how many times -- >> and you laugh, because do you just consider -- >> how many times do we have to try that? kofi annan's plan is an abject failure, and we keep pushing the reset button that russia and china -- and now we are bound by the decisions of the u.n. security council which are dictated by russia and china. we need to get arms and equipment to them, and establish a buffer zone. >> and you want to get u.s. arms to them? >> yes, why not? russian arms are coming in and iranians are on the ground, and meanwhile, iranians are helping bashar al assad and they are committing acts of -- they are committing terrorist acts around the world and planning on terrorist acts and the talks with iran on the nuclear development has broken down and where is the united states of america? the president has not yet in my memory iin recent times spoken up for the people who are slaughtered in the streets of aleppo, homs and damascus and others today. >> let me ask you about another area of the world, and that is israel. i want to play you something that president obama was down in west palm beach, and something that he said recently. >> i want everybody here to know that under my edadministration haven't just preserved the unbreakable bond with israel, we have strengthened it. we have stood by israel's side in the face of criticism, and our military and intelligence cooperation has never been closer. >> you think that is true? >> everybody knows that relations with israel have never been worse beginning with the demands forrer the free settlement back in the beginning of the obama administration, and the president sends the national security adviser and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff to israel to tell them not to attack by weakening israel. the relations have never been worse and again, it is a lack of trust on the part of the israelis about what the united states of america will or will not do. >> let me turn you back now to the situation in colorado. and remind the viewers of what has happened dating back to 1999, littleton, colorado, other wise known as columbine with 13 killed in a mass shooting and 2007, virginia tech, 32 killed and 2009, fort hood, texas, 13 kills and 2012, aurora, colorado, 12 killed. different circumstances and people say, can't we do anything to stop this? >> i don't know to tell you the truth what we can do. this is immediately leading to the issue of gun control. the killer in norway was in a country that had very strict gun control laws, and yet, he was still able to acquire the necessary means to initiate and carry out a mass slaughter. i think that we need to look at everything, if everything should be looked at, but to think that somehow gun control is or increased gun control is the answer in my view, that has to be proved. >> but you would be open to the discussion. part of what people are looking at are these magazines and the automatic weapons where you can shoot down 100 people, and as i understand it, this suspect's gun jammed and he had to go to ones that didn't fire so rapid, but he was able to buy and had on him, a 100-round cartridge. he was able to buy over three months, four weapons, 6,000 ammo cartridges over the internet. if we had put that all together, someone would have said, oh, we need to check on apartment 3b or whatever it is because this guy is gathering up an arsenal which is also including tear gas. and then you get to the point where you don't want people spying on what people are buying, but on the other hand, what is the price? the price is all of the things that we have read off? >> well, first of all, remember that it is a constitutional right. second of all, i think that if you could prove the case that indeed that has a positive effect, we had a ban on assault weapons that expired some years ago, and it didn't change the situation at all in my view. look, i think that the strongest second amendment rights people would be glad to have a conversati convertion, but to somehow leap to the conclusion that this was caused by the fact that we don't have more gun control legislation has been proved. >> senator john mccain, thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me on. still no motive for the colorado shootings. an inside assessment of the threat from our expert next. are helping grow our economy. lending more so companies and communities can expand, grow stronger and get back to work. everyday you see all of us serving you, around the country, around the corner. us bank. last season was the gulf's best tourism season in years. in florida we had more suntans... in alabama we had more beautiful blooms... in mississippi we had more good times... in louisiana we had more fun on the water. last season we broke all kinds of records on the gulf. this year we are out to do even better... and now is a great time to start. our beatches are even more relaxing... the fishing's great. so pick your favorite spot on the gulf... and come on down. brought to you by bp and all of us who call the gulf home. with two times the points onake lunch dining in restaurants,ch? 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