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could be low. he adds hispanic, asian-americans and suburban independents have begun moving to the right. we are seeing that shift. biden needs these voters to get back in the white house. what does he do? i'll go in reverse order and start with you, tamika. >> clearly the no labels is the only thing they can do is spoil an election. if they are really, if the goal is unity. >> harris: for whom, mainly your party? >> i have think for the election for the voters. i think when you talk about a no labels candidate and unity ticket, you want to talk about unity, you have to talk about the issues that are causing disunity within this country. going after having a third party candidate run for president is not actually unifying this country. it is actually adding to the division. i think no labels needs to focus on what they really say they are about and that's unity and talking about the issues that are important to bring this country together. i have think the party will be
that's why they are concerned. don't be fooled. not that the left is opposed to a third party candidacy per se, they are opposed to this no label candidate running. in other words, if donald trump were to not win the nomination and decide to run as a third party candidate, the left would welcome that development because it would hurt republicans. >> harris: tamika is simply smiling. all right. good to see you both. thank you. >> thank you. >> harris: not for children is what one veteran psycho analyst says about the left's push to talk gender identity for our children. she calls it indoctrine nation. more on the government censorship information and covid-19 and where the virus actually came from. >> it is very explosive findings that shows that these government-funded scientists waged a disinformation campaign, propaganda campaign aimed at misleading the american people and it worked.
very engaged in trying to figure out how do we combat these decisions and that is going to the ballot box. >> gillian: tamika is right. it will be easy for the republican candidate to say hey look what happened here. the student promised you debt relief and not able to deliver. >> elections have consequences. president trump is the greatest and longest lasting accomplishment is the appointing of three supreme court justices. i would see quick the polling, "new york post" had an editorial showing 52% of voters agreed with the supreme court's decision on the affirmative action, 45/40 on the student debt case not looking at the law. you are talking about getting rid of racial discrimination.
in this case the supreme court drew a clear line and said yes to religious liberty. >> it was a fantastic win for individual liberty and freedom. the democrats are upset things didn't go their way. the people won. >> when the court makes decisions they don't like all of a sudden the court is a not normal court according to president biden. this is a results-oriented type of judgment. >> gillian: tamika, do you think the rulings on affirmative action and debt relief for students will help the president in 2024? >> absolutely. i think this is a time most people didn't understand the elections have consequences as relates to everyday things that the supreme court has now ruled on. so i think the key will be messaging. how do you tie in these elections, independent freedom and get it out in 2024 not just for president but the senate and the house. so i think most people will be
several candidates. for example, we see enormous enthusiasm for robert f. kennedy jr. i don't think there is too much enthusiasm for joe biden. for obvious reasons on the democrat side. on the republican side. i think there is tremendous -- remains tremendous enthusiasm for donald trump. i think that a lot of his voters are concerned though about whether he is going to be treated fairly by the media and by other even by other republicans in the primary. >> ainsley: yeah, tamika, we know what we are getting with both of those candidates if it is biden vs. trump. what are your biggest concerns? >> you know, i think my biggest concerns are the fact that we have so much noise out there. it's going to be really hard to breakthrough the noise and get through the real issues of exciting voters on the ground. i'm here locally. i hear people talking about the economy. i hear people talking about jobs. i hear people talking about
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how long. >> ainsley: good point. she is such leader and her husband is wonderful. tamika, i will start with you. are you dreading this election like many in the article say that they are? >> you know, i am actually not dregdz the election. i'm really excited. i think that 16 months out unfortunately i think we have voter apathy for every election and people don't get excited until the very end. so i do think that we will see people get more excited. i'm excited because i think if we can pivot and start talking about real issues instead of the things polarizing us i think that's going to get us moving forward. >> charlie, do you agree with this article? >> i actually agree with tamika. i think a lot of people are probably dreading the whole process of going through the elections so much vitriol comes out. a lot is to be blamed on the media as well as some of the unusual tactics that we have seen in politics lately. i think in terms of candidates, there is a lot of enthusiasm for
arsenio. the governor is second in the polls at 37 points on the real clear average behind former president drunk. here to react is fox news contributor joe concha, democratic strategist tamika isaac divine and radio host grace hurley. what changes about desantis' numbers once he officially gets in the race? >> that's the real question. i think it all depends on his strategy and how much of a punch he really wants to make. a big part of desantis' appeal, at least from what i hear from conservatives is he is trump without the drama. when you get into politics it ain't beanbag. you have got to start swinging back he is able to come in and pick the battles he wants to partake in without getting too much in the mud with trump, he might be able to amp up those numbers. bryan brian is it too broad a statement to say that democrats want donald trump to win, that they are more worried about ron
ron desantis is donald trump will get a majority a will majority of media coverage as he did in 2015 and 2016. all those candidates running against him at that time really had trouble standing out. how do you stand out when donald trump is the focus? whether you are nikki haley or ron desantis or tim scott, you have to somehow create a space where you're the center of attention instead of donald trump and that's going to be a challenge, certainly. >> brian: it's going to be. i would not go to sleep on nikki haley or tim scott. we know for sure, tamika it's going to be joe biden. 38% approval rating right now which makes a lot of people want to jump. in we move ahead. state of emergency, north carolina governor takes drastic actions to prevent a school choice bill from passing the state legislature. the ironic twist as many on the leave seize power from the people. really? plus, it's fleet week and janice dean is live for from the
people moving into florida than any other stated in the country and, obviously, his job on education in terms of taking on gender identification, sexual orientation being taught to first graders. that's something that obviously he will tout. so that's what ron desantis has to do. do that well in that debate and then it's all about to go full tim russert on you iowa, iowa, iowa. he will have a ground game there like we have not seen from any g.o.p. candidate in some time and donald trump is vulnerable there. because ted cruz won in 2016, you may remember. beat donald trump by three points. if desantis could get a win there or at least be close. that could be enough momentum to propel him to have a puncher's chance against donald trump. as it stands right now, donald trump is the prohibitive favorite. brian. >> brian: tamika, looking at the response from the dnc, they didn't really say anything when tim scott got in. not much of a word when nikki haley got in or asa hutchinson. they came out with a strong mocking statement that he is going to make his announcement