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and he is spewing blatant racism, claiming he wasn't afraid of the capitol rioters, because, well -- why don't you take a listen for yourself. >> criticized because i made the comment that on january 6th, i never felt threatened. because i didn't. and mainly because i knew even though those thousands of people, there were -- marching on the capitol were trying to pressure people like me to vote the way they wanted me to vote, i knew those are people that love this country, that truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break the law. so i wasn't concerned. had the tables been turned, this could mean trouble. had the tables been turned and president trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protesters, i might have been a little concerned. >> did you hear him? he wasn't afraid of those people -- maybe because they're white? not maybe. that's the reason. because if they were black, he would be afraid of them. he said they support law enforcement. even though they beat up officers. one officer died. one suffered a heart attack. they were beating them with blue lives matter flags. come on. don't even try to twist and it say, well -- that's exactly what he said. he said it right out loud. he wasn't concerned about the rioters who stormed the capitol. the ones who were fighting police. hunting for lawmakers. putting up a gallows outside chanting "hang mike pence." >> hang mike pence, hang mike pence, hang mike pence, hang mike pence! >> he wasn't concerned about them. but he would have been if they had been black lives matter or antifa. and the thing is, he knows exactly what he is doing. look. i know people, every night you're like, oh my gosh, this, another one, because this is happening, this happened. it is frustrating to have to talk about these things every single night. but it's real. it happened. he said it. and i'm just playing the words back, okay? he knows what he's doing. and there's no denying it. you hear him say that he knows it will get him in trouble. but it's too exciting to keep to himself. he just has to say the quiet part out loud, just keep digging deeper, senator. just dig. and then there's this ludicrous observation from chris wallace over at the fox propaganda network. >> talk about the president's speech last night, i thought, you know -- to myself -- you know, he could give a tip of the hat to donald trump, it was, after all, "operation warp speed" which created these viruses in record time. instead you heard some talk about denial, spreading the virus. and i thought, you know, he's being about as gracious to his predecessor as donald trump was to his predecessor. >> okay, everyone. you know what? here's what i never, as gracious as donald trump was to his predecessor -- so i never heard president joe biden question whether his predecessor was born in this country, did you? i never heard him try to spread a racist lie about his predecessor. >> i want him to show his birth certificate. >> why? >> there's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like. people have birth certificates, he doesn't have a birth certificate. now he may have one, but there's something on that birth certificate, maybe religion, maybe it says he's a muslim, i don't know. if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility -- i'm not saying it happened, i'm saying it's a real possibility. a lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate. >> again, i am just the messenger. or maybe the mirror-holder. okay? because we could play more, but then we'd be here all night. and we've really got to call out the idea that president biden somehow isn't trying hard enough to be bipartisan. the covid relief bill is a huge, huge priority for the president and for the country. he made it clear that he is open to bringing the gop on board, but they refused. not a single republican voted for the bill, not one. and the fact is, the latest cnn poll shows a majority of americans support the covid relief bill, including a majority of republicans who support larger tax credits for families. stimulus checks, money to get their kids back in the classroom. what's wrong with that? that's what people need. they need all of that. sounds like bipartisan support to me. except for the people in washington. because they want to stay in power, and they want to divide you. then there's the issue that we have been talking about all week, and that is racism. okay? issues that people of color deal with every day spotlighted in the wake of a blockbuster harry and meghan interview with oprah, where they roil the royal family, saying there was a conversation about how dark their unborn baby would be. >> there's a conversation with you -- >> with harry. >> about how dark your baby is going to be? >> potentially, and what that would mean or look like. >> well, meghan making a formal complaint to the uk's communications regulator about what now ex-morning show host piers morgan said when he questioned whether she was telling the truth about having suicidal thoughts. >> i don't believe a word she says, meghan markle. >> that's a -- >> i don't believe it. >> they can make those formal questions in the uk. their laws are different. that would not happen here because our first amendment is very robust. the uk has different standards. their laws. so in the middle of the uproar, okay? sharon osbourne, who is a friend of piers morgan, apologizing today for taking his side on "the talk." the talk show on cbs. like "the view" on abc. so taking his side on "the talk," then getting defensive about racism. here's what she said on the show. >> educate me. tell me. when you have heard him say racist things. educate me, tell me. >> it is not the exact words of racism, it's the implication and the reaction to it. to not want to address that because she is a black woman and to try to dismiss it or to make it seem less than what it is, that's what makes it racist. >> so you've got to see the whole exchange, because sharon osbourne loses it. and i just wanted to go, snap out of it! it's like a spell where it became about her rather than the actual issue. and that is what privilege is. you're more offended about the possibility of your ego or your fragility or someone calling you racist or someone may think that you're racist, than the actual act itself. then it becomes all about your grievance. rather than the real issue. snap out of it, sharon osbourne. tweeting today, by the way, to anyone of color that i offended and/or to anyone that feels confused or let down by what i said, i am truly sorry, i panicked, felt blind-sided, i got defensive, and i allowed my fear and horror of being accused -- what i just said -- being accused of being racist take over. i'm glad that she apologized. and if it is sincere, then she works for change, then we should all believe it and see how she works to do it. people should not be canceled for making a mistake. but they have to realize what that mistake is and try to make restitution, okay? back the prompter up, because i want to read that. thank you very much. she says, there are very few things that hurt my heart more than racism, so to feel associated with that spun me fast. right, so i just want to make sure i got her apology in there, because i want to be fair to her. but she should realize what she did. she made it all about her instead of the actual issue. that's a problem. a lot of people do that. you have to do the work. it's not easy. okay, so she apologized for her reaction but it sounded like she was more worried about being called a racist herself than she was about what she was saying. it's not okay to make it about you. when black people are the ones experiencing racism every single day. it's not okay to demand that black people explain racism to you. the whole thing is just such a good example, all of this, of how we get defensive about race in that we don't want to talk about it. here's a thing. these are conversations that we need to have, whether you think they're hard or easy. i think they're easy, you may think they're hard. i would rather someone talk to me honestly, even if they say something wrong or that could be corrected. how else are we going to learn? we've got to talk about what's right out there in the open, and that's racism. inherent bias. racial blind spots. all of it. as i've said, and i hope you read it, this is what i write about in my book. these are the lessons of my book. it's called "this is the fire." what i say to my friends about racism. okay? but it's not just a conversation for black people. and it is nothing to do with whether you're royal or whether you're a celebrity or whether you're wealthy or whether you're poor or whatever. it has nothing to do with that. like i said, racism is racism, whether you live in a palace or a shack. it's a conversation that we all have got to have it. okay? so stay tuned. we're going to talk about all of these things. meantime, i want to get to the white house. cnn's kaitlan collins joins us this evening. the white house has been completely focused on covid relief, but they can't ignore the massive fight looming over voter suppression bills across this country. how is the president going to handle this? >> reporter: they can't ignore it and i think they are fully aware of that and aware of how it could affect what's going to happen in the midterms in 2022. and going forward. and of course, this has also been hanging over president biden ever since he took office, given the months-long assault we saw former president trump take on election results and how that went on where he tried to repeatedly overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. and so, don, you're right, this has been a really big question for the white house, what specifically is president biden going to do about this? you saw a few days ago he design that executive order. it was talking about strengthening -- people being able to vote, basically opening it up, making it easier, opening access for people to actually vote. but it was pretty limited in scope. most of what it had to do with was directing federal agencies to study and review aspects of this matter, but it wasn't actually taking concrete steps. i think that's what you've heard from the questions of some people about what this is going to look like. because the white house has said president biden does support hr-1, that bill, voting rights bill, that passed the house. but it does face an incredibly tough challenge in the senate. it's an evenly divided senate. you can see the vice president break that tie. the idea they're going to get 10 republicans on board with what they're doing moving forward does seem like a pretty steep challenge for the white house and for democrats. i think they're aware of that. and so that has been a big question that's facing the white house and what president biden is going to do, how he'll approach that, will it change his opinion on the filibuster? so far they've said no. that's that procedural rule that requires 10 republicans to be on board. so i do think that's going to be a critical question facing the white house, especially as they move toward 2022 and whether or not republicans are going to be successful with these efforts to restrict voting. so how this ends up, it still remains to be seen. but the white house has said, yes, president biden is interested in this. he does care about this. the question is, what can he actually do to stop or change or affect what you're seeing these republican efforts look like? >> kaitlan collins, these days permanently posted outside the white house where she is now, thank you. >> always. >> thank you, i'll see you later. passing the covid relief bill was just the beginning. now the president has to deliver. >> it's really critical to demonstrate not democrat/republican. it's critical to demonstrate that government can function, can function and deliver prosperity, security, and opportunity for the people in this country. >> while he is focused on making government work, the gop is spreading fear and racist tropes. one republican says that he would have really worried if the deadly domestic terrorists on january 6th weren't trump supporters. >> joe this could get me in trouble. had the tables been turned and president trump won the election, and those were tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protesters, i might have been a little concerned. these folks don't have time to go to the post office they use stamps.com all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. now, simparica trio simplifies protection. ticks and fleas? 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we've got to start with the president celebrating his victory in the rose garden. he obviously wants to seize on this moment. but he also needs to implement a huge government plan and get it right, that's the hard part. >> joe biden has made it clear the centerpiece of his presidency is going to be trying to get this virus under control and the economy and society back to normal. that is going to be his personal focus what he has identified with. as you say, they've achieved this legislative victory, astounding and enormous. this may be the biggest single infusion of government aid directly to working -- middle-class and working-class families perhaps passed since social security. i talked to social policy experts who have said that. but they continue to face operational challenges you point out, getting the vaccine out, shots into arms, dollars into people's pockets. meanwhile, while focused on that, the logjam on capitol hill as the house passes legislation critical to the democratic base and it goes to the senate to an uncertain future, starting with voting rights, including gun control, immigration reform coming next week, lgbtq equality -- all those issues are going to pile up. at some point this fall, if the virus is under control, the issue is going to be, can democrats find the will to break the republican logjam against all of these priorities? >> right on. mark, republicans are whining that there was no bipartisanship. but americans across the spectrum, they like this bill. has president biden succeeded in shifting the way people see partisanship, way from congress and toward public opinion? >> i think it's been a good strategy, one of necessity, that the biden administration is saying, it is bipartisan in the country. up to 60% of the republicans support the covid relief bill, support the job biden's doing, support what he's doing on covid generally. to sort of suggest that the lack of bipartisanship is just in washington is true and a pretty effective strategy. don, the thing that brings this home to me is that in washington, for example, the washington journalism review did a study, they do it every couple of years, of the number of crossovers between progressive republicans and conservative democrats. 20 years ago, 224 members that overlapped. in the last study they did, 4. so that why that's going to be a logjam of legislation because there's nobody left in the middle. but they are out in the country. >> wow. wow. but listen, you know -- i said this last night or the night before to matthew dowd that there are -- that the president seems to be ignoring, mark, the folks in washington. he's trying to work with them, but he's going to get his agenda across. he's not falling into the trap of going tit for tat with them about some catchy, silly slogan that they're saying or what have you. he's just focused on the agenda and on what the american people want, and he's moving forward. if the economy comes roaring back, if we're getting past covid by the summer or the fall, what are republicans going to do? how are they going to look? what happens with them? >> well, you know, i think what they're going to do is they're going to shift their messaging to the border, which they're already doing, talking about democrats are for opening border, closing schools. they're going to focus on that, although i think the school thin's going to work itself out. republicans are going to get back to the nativist american messaging about the immigration problem on the border, which is a problem. it's a problem if you don't want more immigrants, and republicans don't. >> yeah. but it's also a problem, too, because you've got the house people and you've got to take care of them or whatever. those are issues that we all -- that all those issues need to be addressed. so ron, president biden and the vice president harris, they're hitting the road to sell this bill. what is the goal here? how much of this is about taking

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