week. the christianne amanpour hour is next here on cnn. hello everyone. i'm christianne amanpour in london. and in the next 60 minutes, we'll take you around the world to ask questions and tackle big problems and also let history be our guide. so here's what's coming up. first, to the tinder box that could spark a wider war. >> your president has recently warned that the middle east will quote become a ticking time bomb. >> well, we are doing everything possible for de-escalation. then, in london. my intel briefing from britain's former top spy, warning americans of the threat that could come next. >> you kill individuals, you can't kill an idea. and to the future. elon musk joins kamala harris and other world leaders at the first-ever global ai summit here in britain. but can ai creators be trusted to control their creations? >> we will have the first time, something that is smarter than the smartest human. ♪ ♪ welcome to the program, everyone. i'm christianne amanpour in london. on saturday morning, exactly four weeks ago, hamas launched the worst attack on israel since the 1973 yom kippur war. they brutally killed 1400 people, mostly civilians. israel's vowing to crush them, to never live nextdoor to this threat again, it has been unleashed ever since. around the clock air strikes combined with a ground incursion has led to the capture and killings of several key hamas leaders according to the idf, and has also killed more than 9,000 palestinians in gaza, according to the hamas authorities there. much of the world is in an uproar about it. and the mounting dead and injured have even caused the united states, israel's staunchest supporter to call for a humanitarian pause. meantime, the rafah border from gaza to egypt was finally opened this week. and i've been speaking exclusively to the foreign minister, a former ambassador to washington, about negotiations to the thousands of foreigners out and into egypt, and about fears of a wider war in the region. foreign minister, welcome to the program. >> thank you for having me. >> wounded palestinian, dual nationals, including a lot of americans, are coming out, and we understand this is because of discussions between egypt and hamas and israel and i guess, you know, qatar, u.s., so many people, what kind of a line do you have to hamas? >> well, we have existing lines of communications which have been longstanding which was necessitated by agreement between us and israel, to maintain a dialogue, and to play a role in creating calm and tranquility when violence has erupted. it has erupted on several occasions during these last years, 2014, and 2018, and on those occasions, we have maintained those contacts to be able to intervene, and to be able to reach agreements, between hamas and israel, on the point of de-escalation. so we are utilizing those cacks now, to be able to get the agreement on the exit of third party nationals. certainly there have been many individuals involved, but primarily it has been the united states and its ability to have these discussions and coordinate with the israelis, and qatar as well has played a very positive role. >> can i ask you a different question, but linked? many palestinians, those who were wounded are coming out, a leaked israeli intelligence ministry document has proposed the relocation of gaza's entire civilian population, first to the south of gaza, and then on into egypt, to the northern sinai. cnn says this is part of a plan, where tent cities could be constructed, and more permanent cities would be constructed at a later date. even though netanyahu has downplayed this, saying it is just preliminary, have you heard about this? have you talked to israel about this plan? >> hardly. i don't think we would, anyone would raise such a ludicrous proposition. if that was the case, maybe the united states would also contemplate providing the same access to its southern border that might be expected for us in sinai. states are sovereign. and they are well defined by their borders, well defined by their populations. and the issue of displacement in itself is a matter that is a violation of national humanitarian law, so i would think that nobody would undertake illegal activity. >> it is interesting you say legal, because obviously forcible transfer, if that is what it amounted to, is illegal under international law. but there does seem to have been an effort by the prime minister's office, even with european countries, the eu, to try to get, you know, palestinians relocated. they even mentioned countries like greece and spain. is this something that you are worried about, and you're trying to stop? we've even heard they want to potentially, elements of this government, forcibly remove palestinians from the occupied west bank to jordan. what do you think is the end game here? >> we are hopeful that there will not be any interventions from any external parties to the conflict. on the contrary, we want the conflict itself to end. we want a cease-fire. we see the scale of devastation, the loss of life, on the part of civilians, up to 9,000, half of them are almost children, have perished, during this conflict, it is up to the international community of the united nations to work for de-escalation, and not to in any way contemplate or encourage any form of widening of this conflict. i think we have to concentrate on that rather than speck clate on the risks. but the risks do exist. and we have to take them into account. by ending the conflict and concentrating on the long term resolution of the israeli-palestinian conflict, through the creation of the two-state solution and its implementation. >> do you actually think that there is still a possibility of that? i mean we know that there has been almost no attention paid to the two-state solution process by the united states, certainly not by the current israeli government, in fact, they have a completely different view of the future. do you think that still has any life left in it? >> well, the two-state solution remains the concern, the concern of the international community, with resolution of the conflict, it has been existing now for 30 years, and i think for a long period, the international community has been paying lip service to the concept. it says that we would like to see a resolution on the basis of a two-state solution, but it in effect does really mnothing to implement it. so there is a contradiction of discrepancy here, and the repetitiveness of the conflict, that its consequences, both of the humanitarian level, but also at the political level, it would warrant that we show a little bit more dedication and commitment. we have the resources, speaking about the collective resources, of the b 5 members of the security council, the institutions that exist in the security council, to be more effective in implementation of the concept of a two-state solution, rather than only aspiring to it as a potential outcome if all of the various components come miraculously together. >> and finally, you used to be egypt's ambassador to the united states. you have been a diplomat all over the world. now you're foreign minister of your country. as a human being, how do you feel about what is unfolding, october 7th, and subsequently, and what should americans and the rest of the world understand? >> this has been a very emotional, impactful, painful experience all around. the images since october 7th and subsequently have been quite painful to me on a personal level. at the same time, it has been a stark reminder that there's a degree of the double standards that still we are unable to address issues of principle in a consistent manner, and this is a danger when we address the development of our rule-based order, and to what extent there is a consistency in how we deal with the various developments and challenges that we face. >> foreign minister, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. and u.s. secretary of state blinken was dispatched to the region again for more diplomacy. still to come, britain's former top spy tells me that america needs to be on high alert for attacks. then, elon musk under fire for a rise in anti-semitism and hate speech on his platform. he takes part in the first global summit, to make surure a dodoes more gogood than haharm. the whole world knows james bond, but my next guest is the real deal. he was britain's top spy for five years, at mi-6, immersing himself to government secrets and gathering intel on all the world's hot spots. he told me that israel absolutely has the right to defend itself. and also what he sees as the unintended consequences. >> welcome to the program. >> thank you. >> here is what i'm interesting in. because you have written an op-ed in the financial times. israel's security chiefs know the goal of destroying hamas is probably beyond their reach. hamas has a political base, and extensive external support from iran. they say they will annihilate hamas. due think that is possible. >> you can kill a lot of hamas fighters. you can destroy a lot of hamas infrastructure. you can take out the tunnels, if you can find the full extent of them. but hamas does have a political base inside gaza, and to some extent in the west bank as well. and you can kill individuals, you can't kill an idea. they can't leave a vacuum, because if they do, then hamas will do perhaps something worse and might take their place in gaza, and so we've got to start thinking very soon about what comes next, and not expect it to be very straightforward because there will still be remnants of hamas and resentments against the israelis for the si. ian civilian deaths they've caused over the last few weeks. >> a final intelligence question, there are european experts, arab expert who believe that hamas has enough fuel and medicine and everything they need underground or whatever to be able to fight for three or four months. >> that might be the case. i don't have privileged information on that. but certainly hamas, they would have known, part of the purpose of the operation, was to pull the israelis in, so they would have been fully prepared for a long battle now on the, in the streets, in the tunnels, of gaza. so hamas will be well equipped. and we shouldn't be complacent about the risk of this spreading. so far, this has been managed. but we've seen problems on the west bank, we've seen attacks on military bases, in iraq and syria, where u.s. personnel are based, we're seeing an uptick of rocket fire across the israeli/lebanon border, i wouldn't be surprised if one of these groups in the region didn't think of targeting an american target at some point that. we've seen that before, american embassies american battleships. it is quite a possibility that they will try to escalate further, not just against what they call little satan, israel, but the great satan, the united states. >> so you not only were head of mi-6, foreign intelligence, but you were the british ambassador to the u.n. there is a lot of diplomacy going on, the secretary of state antony blinken is talking about how potentially a revitalized palestinian authority, the group that actually has a peace agreement of sorts and recognizes israel, and works, and it has been working with israel and security and all of those things. is that even possible? how is the palestinian authority, in a weakened state that it is, ride into gaza? >> with difficulty. when secretary blinken talks about revitalizing the palestinian authority, that's easier said than done. they have their own politics. they have their own leadership corridor. we know that mahmoud abbas, the head of the palestinian authority is aging, and he is not really got the capability to take on a major new challenge. but america can't replace him. israel can't replace him. a new leader has to emerge within the palestinian political process. we might need some international presence, but it has to be arab-led, to hold the reins, to provide security, to enable essential services to be delivered, to enable reconstruction in the gaza strip to start. >> prime minister netanyahu has been, and his government, have been framing what they're doing, first it was 9/11, then it was pearl harbor, i.e., world war ii. this is what he said recently. >> in 1944, the royal air force bombed the guess stappo headquarters in copenhagen. it is a perfectly legitimate target. but the british pilots missed. and instead of the gestapo headquarters, they hit a children's hospital nearby. and i think 84 children were burned to death. that is not a war crime. that is not something you blame britain for doing. that was a legitimate act of war with tragic consequences that accompanied such legitimate action. >> except that that has been deconstructed since, and first of all, there were no war crimes, until after world war ii, as you know, precisely because of that kind of thing, and this implies that they missed, and not only went into the area, as they said, to get the tart. do you have an issue with the world war ii rhetoric? >> well, this isn't like world war ii. it's very, very different. this is not like ukraine. this is a battle that israel is fighting for its own security. i think it is perfectly legitimate for those of us in europe and america and around the world to be a supporter of israel's security, and at the same time, be very sympathetic to the suffering of the palestinians especially those in gaza at the moment and the british government and the u.s., traditionally u.s. administrations have always supported the so-called two-state solution. we need to find a way back to that. and i don't think it's right that it takes a hamas atrocity of the sort that we saw on 7 october to wake us up to the reality that there is a lot of injustice in that part of the world. there are 15 million people live in that small space. two-thirds of them in the state of israel a third of them in the territories of the west bank and gaza. about half of those people are jews and half are arabs of different religions. and we've got to find a way where all those people can live with decent lifestyles, with a degree of personal freedom. we do need to recognize that you cannot have peace in that part of the middle east, and you cannot have a secure israel, unless there is some political process that satisfies palestinian aspirations. >> on that note, john, thank you very much indeed for joining us. >> thank you. when we come back, the u.s. vice president in london warns tech giants like elon musk, to keep their robots in check. is it possible my network could take my business to the next level? it is with comcast business. powering all your devices with gig-speed wifi. and you get fast downloads and uploads. pick it up! pick it up! oh we got this! because it's powered by the next generation 10g network. more speed for your business? it's not just possible. it's happening. get started for $59.99 a month for 12 months. plus, ask how to get an $800 prepaid card with a qualifying internet bundle. comcast business, powering possibilities. welcome back to the program. 80 years ago, it was where the enigma machine broke the code that helped beat the nazis. this week, it is actually here in england where they took on the task of taking on another frankenstein monster before it is too late, hosting the first-ever summit between the u.s., europe, and china, to tackle the consequences of technology far beyond our comprehension. depending on who you ask, artificial intelligence is either our savior or our downfall. this much is true. even its creators are afraid of what might happen if we make machines that are smarter than us. i visited the u.s. ambassador, jay hawking, official london resident, to talk about the summit, the vice president's visit and the biden administration's concerns about the evolving humanitarian crisis in gaza. ambassador, welcome to the program. >> thank you, thrilled to be here. >> can i ask you about ai, because here we are, another biden administration priority is ai and how to manage it. right now, big conference happening in london this week, the vice president was here. why is she here? why is the president so immersed in this issue? >> because you think it is one of our key priorities. as you know, our administration recently put out an executive order, and we are looking at what, especially the commerce department can do, and the vice president said it this week in her speech, there is much positive, there is much good that will come from ai, but there's also much bad, and everybody talks about the longer-range existential bad, which obviously is there, whether it is bio weapons, or cyber, or things like that. but the vice president focused on disinformation and misinformation, and how that affects not just democracies around the world, but how that affects individuals. hundreds of tech executives and scientists signed a one sentence letter, quote. mitigating the risk of extinction from ai should be a global priority. alongside other societal scale risks, such as pandemics and nuclear war. so you touched on sort of short-term versus existential. do you think sometimes the debate over ai gets lost in the existential and we forget about what is actually on the doorstep? >> i think that's what the vice president was trying to do this week, which is saying, we obviously have to do the long-term, and we are, you know, and one of the positives that i see coming out of it was a letter was signed by 28 of the countries that we would communicate and share research. that is all very important. now, i will also say, i don't think we should get lost in just the threats of ai, but we should also look at the positives of ai. and if you look at health care, if you look at education, there was recently, i think it came from one of the big hospitals here, a discussion about what it would mean in terms of cancer diagnosis, and in terms of everybody would have their own specific cancer treatment, based on their own immunity. >> do you think a meeting like this will set the stage for a proper rigorous global responsibility? because former president obama says the promise of social media was huge but we never really tackled the threats, which you can see right now. >> well, that's right, i compliment prime minister sunak and the british government as well as our government. ai doesn't stop at the borders. and we know that. so it has to be an international framework. that we're communicating and sharing information. >> can i ask you, these are very difficult times to be an ambassador anywhere, the biden administration, the president himself, has moved closer to the humanitarian side of the conflict, and he's now calling for a pause to allow humanitarian aid and even hostage negotiations. explain to us why he has made this change? >> yes, he pressed for a pause this week but this is something tony blinken our secretary of state has been talking about, pause and pauses, because we have made it very clear that we care deeply about, one, humanitarian aid, getting in to the release of the hostages, and three, israel obviously has a right to defend itself. this was a terrible, horrific terrorist attack, and what secretary blinken has also said is how they defend themselves is very, very important. and that means in accordance with humanitarian law and the rules of war. >> do you get that feeling, do you hear that, as ambassador abroad, the concern about the humanitarian? >> yes, and you know, i think it is building. we are trying very hard to get more trucks in. i think the secretary said there may be 100 by the end of the week. we've been working very closely with our allies. and frankly, with egypt in terms of the border crossing. there and as you know, injured palestinians and foreign nationals were allowed to cross this week, which is very important. so we are working