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CNNW Erin July 2, 2024



>> cnn inside gaza. a first-hand look at the fighting as gazans suffer, hamas leaders are still nowhere to be found. living a life of luxury 1,000 miles away. plus, exclusive cnn reporting on the mar-a-lago documents case. a long list of witnesses including a maid, plum eastern w wood maker on that list. and china ashgs super power with a stunning message for chinese women. quit your jobs, stay home, go have babies. let's go "out front." good evening. tonight, a first-hand look at hamas training camps. these are new pictures. we were embedded with israel's military as they made a way to the hamas training camp. it includes several buildings. cnn reported from gaza under the israel defense forces at the same times. cnn does retain full editorial control. they are now fighting hamas block-by-block, house-by-house closing in on the heart of hamas' intelligence and operational activities. according to israel, 80,000 people traveled south alone. they're agreeing to pause the military operations in northern gaza for four hours a day so people with leave. just moments ago, benjamin netanyahu made it clear that this is not a cease-fire. >> we have not agreed to cease-fire and the victory of iran's access of terror. there is not a cease-fire without the release of the israeli hostages. >> so all of this comes as another group in gaza that palestinian islamic jihad acknowledged that they are holding israeli hostages. the group leased a video of two hostages, a 77-year-old woman and a 14-year-old boy. they are ready to release them but didn't know when they would be released, whether it would actually happen. we're out front live in tel aviv. walk us through what you saw today inside gaza. >> they must submit footage for review. cnn had editorial control over our reporting. having said that, went in with the idea of staying in northern gaza. not get inting in more than a m. what we saw was farmland. it was essentially all torn up. the fields lined fall ow. there was not sign of life in any direction. we got closer to civilian buildup, where there were homes, apartment buildings and entire neighborhoods that had bee n destroyed. they had a mock israeli tent there where they were practicing fighting. and they put out the videos when they went in and destroyed that training site. we got to see what was left of it as we moved around for 90 minutes to two hours inside of gaza before it was time to come out after looking around there. there were a number of destroyed vehicles that were right on the gaza border there. when i talked to the tank commander, he said those are destroyed vehicles that have been pulled out for the israeli military to look at in a contract between israel and the families of those that lost loved ones. they'll look at the vehicles and try to find some remnants, remains of a body to try to give closure there. as something they see as a duty they have to do for the families that have lost loved ones not only in the fighting but on the attack on october 7th. >> thank you. civilians in gaza continue to suffer, many hamas leaders are nowhere to be found. officials say that hamas leaders are living in luxury abroad. this as gazans phase a humanitarian crisis. we're out front. >> israel's 122nd division in central gaza. this video was provided by the israel defense forces. they say their troops are now well inside gaza city where they found hamas command and control as well as weapons making facilities. in the heart of gaza city, we'll reach more and more hamas strong holds. the civilians continue to suffer as israel presses on with the offensive. tens of thousands fleeing the northern part of the strip in recent days according to the u.n. while the palestinian ministry of health says thousands have been killed or wounded in hamas-controlled gaza. tough talk coming and threatening the israeli army. they're drawning inowning in thf gaza, he said. this will cost the life of the hose tajs. but he's not inside gaza. like much of the leadership, he's in the safety of qatar meeting with iran's foreign minister, there a cynical situation israeli columnist tells me. >> it's very easy to tell the palestinian in the gaza straight. fine. make the jihad, it's a war against israel and we give you an order from outside of gaza. >> both israel and the united states claim hamas' leadership is wealthy and, quote, live in luxury abroad. cnn is not able to verify the claims, but it's a stark contrast to the deteriorating living conditions they have faced under a 16-year blockade as the standoff between hamas and israel intensified . that tushdrned into a full-scal war with all of the consequences. hamas' leadership making clear again from outside of gaza they're willing to sacrifice more civilians in gaza. we have to pay a price, he asks. yes. and we are ready to pay for it. and hamas' leaders in exile are calling on citizens in nations of the region to sacrifice as well. this is former hamas boss who is also not inside the gaza strip. i call firstly on the surrounding countries, jordan, syria, lebanon and egypt all of its sons and daughters, your duty is bigger because you are closer to palestine. one thing that hamas' leadership in exile is doing is traveling around the region, obviously trying to further the aagenda yachlt in fact, we saw tend of the report there, he was part of a hamas delegation that also included the head of hamas. he traveled to cairo and egypt today. all we know from that meeting is that they met with the head of egyptian intelligence and the suffering there continues. >> such an interesting report. thank you. >> out front now, retired general joseph potel. good to have you with us. let's begin with what we paerd f -- heard from fred. it is such a stark contrast with what we're seeing in terms of how gazans are leading every day. does it threaten the hold on the power? >> i think, first of all, great to be with you. i think gaza, i think it demonstrates the lack of credibility in some of the leaders. this is not unlike what we saw with the taliban and al qaeda. the taliban in particular, kept leadership in qatar and taliban and al qaeda all kept the senior leaders and the comfort of pakistan while the fighters were in afghanistan. and, of course, iran, you know, executes all of their operations through proxy forces located out there and gives orders from the safety of tehran. this is, i think, very common to these types of organizations. >> in terms of the organizations, you have such a unique perspective. you've been inside a hezbollah tunnel in northern israel. the we saw the video about the hamas training camp. that took him to in gaza. when you look at that, your experience, what stands out to you in that video? >>. >> first of all that, is not dissimilar to what we would do with our forces. creating multiforce structures to allow our troops to train. this is exactly what they're trying to do. i think what it dmemonstrates i the sophistication of the organizations. they're not stagnant. they learn. they're innovative. they make good uses of resource that's they have. and to me this is just highlights the importance of continuing to keep pressure not just on hamas and he the other terrorist organizations that we normally deal with, but really paying attention to this as a long-term problem in the region. >> that's certainly a question about how long that long-term could be. i also want to get your take on the hostages. for the first time today, the palestinian islamic jihad confirmed that it is holding some of the israel hostages, possibly as many as 40. how does that impact efforts to get more leased? >> it takes a problem that is hard and adds another layer of complexity on to having two or more groups who are holding hostages, each have separate demands t demands. they look at them differently. they look at them valuely. some see them as a strategic asset and others in a different lite. for negotiators working on this, to try to get a peaceful lease of the hostages, makes it that much more difficult. of course, for the military, the intelligence communities are looking at this and having different organizations doing different things here just complicates the overall collection mission around these hostages. >> that raises questions, too, of whether they need to work together, too, in those efforts as their holding the hostages. president biden said today the u.s. weapons storage facility in eastern syria that's use bid iran's islamic revolutionary guard corps because they strike us. they would strike again this we have to. we have new pentagon video of that strike yesterday. u.s. and coalition forces in the region have been targeted 46 times in the past three weeks. how concerned are you tonight about a widening war in the middle east and u.s. involvement in that? >> well, i would be very concerned as most americans should be. iranian backed militias only have to be right one time to cause a significant number of casualties here and then we're in a different part of the war. i'm glad we're striking back. i think it's important we direct the strikes at those that are orchestrating the strikes on us. our job is to remove the uncertainty with iran and with the iranian-backed groups that we will not put up with this. it's a very important message to send right now. i think it helps contain the conflict and make it very clear that those that would want ebter,ebt enter, that's not the right approach. >> great to be with you. >> out front next, cnn cexclusie reporting, the handling of classified documents may want a maid and a wood worker to testify. joe manson announcing he'll not run for re-election. is that because mansion is eyeing a run for the white house? and he sleeps in his office, unlike so many americans, he is living paycheck to paycheck. is the newew housese s speaker like h his constitituents thana colleaeagues? exclusively, jack smith could be casting a very wide net when it comes to calling witnesses in the mar-a-lago classified documents case. a plumber, maid, wood worker to name a few called to testify. the list of potential witnesses is also, we're learning, getting under trump's skin when he learned the maid was asked to speak to federal prosecutors. the sources trump went, ballistic. paula reid is out front tonight. what is smith hoping to learn from the witnesses? >> eric yaa, they represent the eyes and ears of mar-a-lago. these are ordinary people who showed up to work and may have come into contact with some of the nation's most sensitive secrets. prosecutors also expected to call intelligence officials, secret service agents, but we learned how far down the mar-a-lago payroll investigators have gotten. let's take, for example, the wood worker that you mentioned. this say man who is working on crown molding in trump's bedroom in february 2022. he believes he may have seen classified documents. it could have been a movie prop. he spoke with federal investigators multiple times. when people saw the indictment, they were shocked, many of them, to see boxes of classified documents in a ballroom, bedroom, bathroom, place this is he do not believe. and this group of witnesses, a maid, chauffeur, plumber, they can really talk about the environment at the resort and speak to just how vulnerable they were on a day-to-day basis. as you noted, the former president is frustrated how deep into the resort they have gotten. but before any of these folks can be called as a witness, there needs to be a trial. right now the judge overseeing this case, she is contemplating whether to push this back beyond the election and if former president trump is elected, then he could probably get the entire case dismissed. >> we'll be watching out to see how that plays out. right now, co-editor in chief of the just security legal block, brian, when you look at this how significant is thissoestimony b? >> it could be highly significant, especially if you try to match it up with the indictment. one of the most important pieces is that trump directed one of the aides to take the boxes from the storage facility, bring them to the private residence where he then picked up the documents he wanted and then returned only about half of them back to the storage facility. who would know about that? he went ballistic when he found out that maid that cleans the bedroom suite was asked to speak with the fbi. why would he go ballistic? probably because he's worried about something that's not good for him and that she knows about it. she would maybe identify if there were 64 boxes in his private residence, and if these -- it takes time, several days to go through them. >> these are really the eyes and ears hh -- paula also mentioned constraints in terms of the testimony and security. >> that's a great question. so they could have very important information. there is also like the eyes and ear that's they're witnessing everything. they may be accompanying the former president. you have to be very concerned. you want a judge that has national security matters that can ensure the evidence that is relevant that case comes in, but at the same time, does it not reveal important security information that could be damaging for how do these details work? what are the movements of the former president? how do they operate when trying to protect him? that is potentially relevant. we want to know where he was at which times. that is the delicate balance that has to be struck. >> the judge, he is a trump aporte appointed judge, she may push it past the election citing the president's busy schedule and also this need for the attorneys to go through all of the evidence here. what do you think the chances are that this does, in fact, get pushed past the election? >> i think there is a very good chance it does get pushed. the judge in this particular case has demonstrated extraordinary favor by the president. she got overturned by a u unanimous panel. they say this is beyond what he have done. you shouldn't have exercised jurisdiction. and then shown hostility towards the government that i haven't seen from a judge even like recently trying to say, when you set this deadline for when the case is going to be, we want to put you on notice, trump asked to suspend that case f he's asking to suspend it, it doesn't interfere with you moving ahead. she got upset for the government for suggesting that to her, just bringing her attention to it. that is very unusual. what does he want to have this pushed beyonded election? >> interesting to see if that impacts the other cases. thank you. >> so out front next, what do joe mansion and the rock have in common? here's your hint -- 2024. >> accident have a conservrvati bebent in his s philosophyhy. new tonight, joe mansion is not seeking re-election in 2024. major blow to democrats hoping to hold on to that seat in west virginia, a seat that trump won by 39 point in 2020. mansion is also hinting at a run for president. >> what i will be doing is traveling the country and speaking out to see if there's an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring americans together. we need to take back america and not let this divisive hatred further pull us apart. >> out front now, our number's whiz. harry, take us through the numbers. what sort of support does joe mansion have were he to launch a bid to the run to the white house? >> it is 10%. that is either really high or really not high. >> better than 9%. >> better than 9%. better than 0%. certainly not up in the frontrunners. but 10% could be a lot in a race in which we already have two other third party candidates involved, right? the two frontrunners, trump and joe biden are under 40%. a lot of folks don't like that. >> in your estimation, who fares better with the joe mansion in the race, joe biden or trump? >> i don't have to think hard about this. i think joe mansion is a democrat. he's been a democrat all his life. i think it will be very trouble some for the president if he were there. i think generally these third party candidates and independent candidates has bigger appeal to some republicans. i think they help trump because they lower the threshold that you need to win. trump's never got above 46 piers piers -- 46% of the vote. he needs a lower ceiling to win the presidency. and third party comments help him. that was true in 2016. so this wouldn't be good news. now we'll see what senator mansion does. i'm reminded that dick durbin called him the greatest tease in american politics. and i suspect we're going to see -- we're going to see why in the next few months. >> we may be hearing some lines repeated. you mentioned cornell west and rfk jr. and jill stein throwing her hat in the ring again. harry, remind us in, 2016, when she ran, what did that look like in terms of numbers? >> she only got 1% of the vote nationally in the key swing states. remember how tight that race was. when you look at those key great battleground states, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, the amount votes she got is more than the margin between hillary clinton and trump. so she, in many people's minds played a spoiler. when we look at such a tight race this time around, any extra addition to the equation throws it into some state of who the heck knows? and maybe make the difference. >> the other aspect of this is that joe mansion could be on a ticket that is a national ticket but not at the top of that ticket. there is an effort to get on the ballot that purr poertports if e a democrat and republican together this will be a noble alternative to a tired biden-trump election. but what they really believe is you could have, you know, take a republican, or take a democrat who is popular. maybe mansion is not atop that ticket. the argument is a republican at the top of the ticket with a mansion second would pull from trump. that is their argument. they have a lot of polls -- david axelrod can rebutt. but that is the argument that they're make. >> we're in this place, right. it's a year ouct. so many things could happen. maybe a fresh face in politics, dwayne "the rock" johnson, he is actually on the radar of both parties. take a listen to this moment. >> the beginning of the year, tend of the year, rather in, 2022, i got a visit from it the parties. asking me if i was going to run if i could run. >> wow. >> it's a big deal. and it came out of the blue. >> wow. >> it was one after the other. they brought up the poll. they brought up their deep dive research that would prove, should i ever decide to go down that road -- >> you'd be a real contender? >> yeah. >> david, what do you make of that? >> look, he's a really popular figure. knees popular culture. i think we have seen that people can make the jum p from popular culture to political success in america. he crosses a bunch of racial lines, you know, political lines and so on. but there is a lot of -- there's a lot between there and what it takes to actually run for president, become president. he says family considerations caused him not to do it. so we'll see. i think that say conversation for the future. no matter what the party says, i think harry will tell you, he should put down money that one of the major party candidates is going to win. >> when you look at that, i don't know that the rock is a no labels guy at this point. but it is fascinating to hear parties reaching out to somebody who checks a lot of boxes, but does that mean they're really fit and have the experience to run a country? >> i mean, i wonder -- look, by design, they wanded citizens to be servant, civil servants. i don't think there is any pedigree to being president other than getting a majority of the votes. i would say i don't know which party reached out to him. sounds like no labels query. but -- it's hard to imagine, like, ron -- the rnc -- but, you know. either way. the what it shows is we're in this fantasy b

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