house for $19 inside politics sunday with manu raju next on cnn criminal appeal there was a rigged trial. >> these are bad people. nobody's ever seen anything like it. >> trump's conviction injects uncertainty tie into the race don't get angry, don't get depressed, get even success is the best revenge. >> the former president faces potential prison time i ended tide of support. >> this is bigger than me. this is bigger than my presidency. >> how is this verdict reverberating nationwide? plus route reckless. reckless, dangerous. it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was greg, just because they don't like the verdict biden breaks his silence on the trial. >> can democrats capitalize on the conviction and one-on-one. former speaker kevin mccarthy joins us, lie in mixed h2a interview on the fallout from this week and the infighting plaguing the gop inside politics, the best reporting from inside the corridors power starts now good morning. thanks for joining us for inside politics sunday i'm on erasure which is five months to until election day. one of the major parties nominees is now a convicted felon, potentially facing prison time. but how much will that actually matter to swing voters in november? now one thing is clear, donald trump's base is all fired up in many gop lawmakers are falling in line. a trump racked up tens of millions of dollars in donations after that new york jury of 12 americans convicted him on all 34 felony counts in his hush money criminal trial. but one thing we do not know for sure this morning is whether it might influence undecided voters, especially on the margins in those key battleground states where the outcome could be razor thin now, new polling, taken shortly after the verdict came out, shows the biden-trump rematch actually remains neck and neck with no clear leader. and last night, trump was spotted in an ultimate fighting championship about in new jersey but he stayed off the campaign trail this weekend. although he did speak with fox news in an interview that this morning you decide to say, hey, house arrest or even jail. >> it couldn't face what that does. >> i'm okay with it. i one of my lawyers here today on television saying, oh no, you don't want to do that to the i don't get a bag for anything. you just the way it is. i don't know that the public would stand it i don't i'm not sure that the public would stand four with a house arrest for i think i think it'd be tough for the public to take it a certain point. there's a breaking point all right, let's break this all down with our great panel this morning. cnn's paula reid, susan glasser from the new yorker axis is hans nichols and tamar keith of npr. good morning, everybody. it's been busy, especially for you. you've been working nonstop, so it's great for you to be here to break down what's happening in this trial? trump in, that same interview was asked about whether or not he would take this to the supreme court directly, didn't quite answer about that, but this is all the political calendar the legal calendar is all converging cnn debate is on june 27th then there's a trump sentencing on july 11 that is just four days before the republican national convention. you talked to them legal team all the time. paola, what is your sense of how they're playing two pursue this appeal and whether the sentencing date i'll try to ask to move it. >> so it's interesting. i'm seeing a shift in the past few days mean throughout the course of this trial, certainly the 2024 race was a factor, but you never heard todd blanche mentioned it in court? yes, he mentioned it and litigation about moving in the trial. and of course, in the gag order litigation. but inside that courtroom, the 2024 race was not a factor. now, going forward through the appeals and sentencing, it is the factor because some of his political advisers believed that having this sentencing just a few days before the convention is ideal to help continue to frame him as a martyr, but his legal team is going it'd be bogged down, dealing with the classified documents case and a big hearing on that in late june. so it's unclear right now if they're going to move to try to postpone that july 11 sentencing is real quickly on that. if the appeals process plays out, do we expect that could get settled before the election? >> i've nets a tight timeline given the process in new york, i don't think it will be settled before the november election. again, this is the only criminal trial he's going to face before the november election. but there are some legitimate questions to be appealed here. do i think the entire case will be overturned? that's a long shot, but there are absolutely issues to raise one big questions, of course, is what this means for voters come november, there was a flash poll taken, right after the verdict. >> there's a lot more polling. we'll see what that actually means. this one pull from a reuters ipsos about how people would vote 14% of republicans say they wouldn't vote for trump with the conviction, there were 58% of independents, of course let's get going to be the key number to watch come november, there was a shift though, among republicans pretrial versus post-trial, 24% before the trial. so they would now have over dropping his convicted. that's down for just 14% now. so clearly there's been a shift among republicans falling in line, but ultimately, where the swing voters fall you know manner it's it's a familiar pattern now, after eight years in which republicans asked in a generic sense, is this unthinkable? they say absolutely yes, this is unthinkable. we can never do it. how could we have a president in the united states who does this? then trump does exactly the unthinkable thing and they find ways, at least millions of them do so to rationalize and justify. so i'm not surprised that those numbers have gone down the question is, even if there's one or two or 3% of republicans for whom the label of convicted felon is absolutely unacceptable. remember, retirements such a close election here that it really matters only in a few key battleground states it's not going to be 17% of republicans who abandoned donald trump. now, after everything that we've already seen, the question i have is whether there's enough who simply can't stomach the idea of having a convicted felon as the president of the united states in the question has been also about how the white house president biden was dealing is we've seen a shift and that's they'd been quiet. biden said virtually nothing about this criminal trial, then they've campaigns and a bunch of surrogates out to new york, including robert de niro to attack trump. and then there was the president making statements on friday after the verdict came out saying it was reckless to criticize such a verdict. but there's a real debate within the democratic party about how far korda go, whether to embraces what are the campaign on the fact that they are running against a convicted felon. just a good debate among some key people in the democratic party, doug jones, a former senator, telling political, i don't think there's anything to lose and a lot to gain because i'm convinced as a swath of people out there who are going to be very troubled at this point and haven't really completely founded wondering about it all of a sudden this is a game changer suggesting that perhaps they should embrace it. that's what democratic strategists james carville also told the new york times so you cover the windows terminal? >> i do what is the biden campaign thinking about how to embrace this or what are they just going to let the chips fall where they may yeah. i mean, i think that there is a divide among democrats about how hard to lean into this. >> the way the biden campaign sees it, is that this is one point in a larger case that they don't think that they can just make their message convicted felon. >> that's not enough. >> and so they they need to make it part of this larger question of democracy. >> and trump's position on abortion and some of these other issues that they are trying to drive leading into that first debate. they don't think that they can just sit back and say, oh, yeah this is going to come because no, it's firing up the base obviously. but the question is those those those like zombie nikki haley, voters who voted for her in pennsylvania, even though she wasn't running any look, if they win, some of them biden loses. the one of the things that people will say should he have been talking about these criminal trials earlier or at all? >> look, i suspect if biden loses the monday morning quarterbacking will be just you know, it'll be everything. right. and there will be a variety of decision points and we can can, we can gain that out later. i think tanno, two things can be true one, the president isn't going to totally lean into this. and i suspect we'll eventually here from the campaign or hear more from the campaign, the two words that we're all discussing, which is convicted felon, how much will they lean into that? but the other part that could be true is that the president can continue to do what he did on friday, which is talk about trump's reaction. he's not actually getting into the weeds of the trial. he's not actually making a judgment on the case. he's talking about how the president is reacting i think one way to look at this is how biden is thinking about it in terms of when they talk about the case, they talk about oh, this is really about democracy in influence. this wasn't just a hush money case, and that's the main point that you want. you're going to hear from the biden campaign is that this isn't hush money. this is about democracy, this is about still feeling an election. this is about what they want to make 2024 about, not just this case, and they tie it into the broader narrative and it can they reach out to some of those disaffected voters who are just tuned out of politics, who could decide the election that's one of the things that's been a dynamic that's been playing out as they've been looking at. this is a neat cone of the new york times reports at the polls have shown donald trump with an edge for a straight months, but there's one big flashing warning signs suggesting that his advantage might not be as stable as it looks that warning sign his narrowly built on gains among voters who are not paying close attention to politics who don't fall traditional news and who don't regularly vote. so will they be convinced by this or will they be doing things like what biden is doing? on tuesdays, announcing executive actions on the border, they're trying to focus on some of those other issues. how will those voters? obviously it's hard to cast won. say, one fell swoop, say how these all people who vote, but what is the right strategy for the biden campaign to get those votes? >> well, i think this is the question in many ways, this election, how do you break through to people who have tuned out by the way, across the political spectrum in this country. i think it's almost media consumption. you could argue that is the defining kind of demographic question. the people who are just getting their news from social media at this point have very different political bove use it turns out, then the rest of america, but i think i'm watching whether and how the idea of a conviction does break through. there certainly anecdotal evidence to suggest that people obviously we're not watching this on tv. it wasn't on tv, but that this idea of the conviction did break through. but just one important point it seems to me is that it's not just, well, how's biden doing? how's the trump people doing reacting to this like the escalation and the radicalization that we've seen this week. it is a historic moment to have a former president in the united states convicted and then the response which has been something different, a full-out attack on the legal system itself that's different than what we've seen even in 2016 and 2020 from trump and his supporters in paul before we get a break. now, as we get into the sentencing discussion trump's been attacking one merge on the judge relentlessly, does that factor in do they get some are john's decision? >> look, my law license is a little desk de but it is not a good idea. attack, judge, who is about to sentence you i think juan merchan understands who he is dealing with. i don't think personal attacks are going to factor in a lack of remorse of violations of the gag order. his overall conduct throughout this trial that will likely factor in, but i don't think juan merchan takes things too personally and understands the learner calculus or absence. one thing you advise your client not to do attacked the judge will say. >> all right, next, it might surprise you to learn how some of the country he's most vulnerable republicans are talking about the trump conviction plus former speaker kevin mccarthy joins me live for an exclusive interview. >> how does he see what's happening this party, right? 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just seeing is that there are though these vulnerable republicans, some of them are not saying a word about it. what they're able to come back to session next week. but there are some who are not afraid to align themselves with donald trump or align themselves with their messaging, including some vulnerable new york republicans who will determine their fate, will determine whether or not the republican state in the majority, a handful of them, they're right there. mike lawler, anthony, just d'esposito liquid alotta had various levels of criticism about the verdict that's that's i guess that's kind of interesting, right? if you'd like, you think a convicted felon at the top of the ticket, if you're in a swing district, you'd run away from it. but these members my most those reported most republicans are on the record where they are in donald trump, the republicans that represent trump districts have had to face these questions. these are biden distribution, excuse me, my mistake. biden districts. i misspoke into by districts to me. i think it's an interesting question what they do. i think it's also what's going to happen in the senate where you have tester and brown who both represent states that trump clearly one and they been pretty silent as well. and i suspect this is your urgent task when they arrived when they're back, i suspect there's going to be a capital that reported that we all know that who has the microphone and you have a camera and it will play around the whole and we'll put those and we'll put those those centers on the record because that to me is it's more interesting simply because republicans have dealt with this really since the beginning of the trump era. i mean, i suspect when former speaker mccarthy's here trump would say something are more likely he would tweet something and republicans would have to respond and they have a muscle memory at this point, it's not that difficult for them most of them, which is to say all of them have just decide to say that it's donald trump. i'm with them. yeah. >> you mentioned those two senators, brown and tested. we do statements that they gave allowed to m the aftermath of this this verdict we know saying they respect the judicial process that we're certainly not embracing it. it does show you the line that they are walking these vulnerable members. that'll grads in these red states. they want to make it about a cantilevers candidate issue. they don't want to talk about trump, even if they may turn off trump's verdict may turn off some swing voters. >> yeah, they they they want to talk about how they are a perfect match for their state and how they are, they're going to run. they're going to run their race their hi time. >> they've gotten their buzz cut, whatever his here, that it's called. >> but no, they are they are focused on on their race and not on trump because talking about trump might motivate their