country hundred about it on the free internet. of course, china's internet heavily censored. >> it will ripley, thanks so much appreciate it. the news can use the source of kaitlan collins starts now cma straight to the source tonight, he will not be intimidated. a fiery attorney general's slamming what he says are unprecedented entered attacks that up we republican smears and lies about the department of justice and donald trump, former fbi director james comey, will join me live and a dramatic election. your action on the border, president biden, imposing sweeping new restrictions they take effect at midnight tonight. but some democrats say he's taking a paige out of donald trump's immigration playbook and believe it or not, it's actually primary night here in america, we are awaiting calls at any time now on critical races i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source for someone who doesn't really blues there, cool, that often, if at all, it was what as angry as we have seen, merrick garland, the attorney general, coming face-to-face with many of the same republicans who have spread conspiracy theories. and frankly, it's lot out lies about donald trump's conviction and what they say is this grand conspiracy proceed by president biden and the department of justice to get him there was of course, zero evidence that president biden had anything to do with donald trump's new york case, which was brought by a local prosecutor over whom garland himself has no control the attorney general today forcefully pushed back on characterizations of the fbi's search of mar-a-lago in 2022, saying it wasn't some green light to use lethal force or some ridiculous plot by president biden to assassinate his predecessor as donald trump has claimed extremely dangerous false. so its are being spread about the fbi's law enforcement operations, heinous threats of violence being directed at the justice department's career civil servants i will not be intimidated. and the justice department will not be intimidated garland warning has republican critics at the baseless attacks are putting law enforcement and harm's way. >> yet here is donald trump. today's still pushing some of those claims crooked joe biden's doj in their illegal and unconstitutional rate of mar-a-lago authorize the fbi to use deadly lethal force. >> can you believe that? >> no, you can't actually believe that because it's not true. the attorney general noted today, as we have reported here, that language in a search warrant was standard operating procedure focused actually on limiting the use of lethal force and what to do in that scenario. it is the exact same language that was also in the search warrant for president biden's home but trump's allies seem to have turned a deaf ear on all of those facts digging in even more justice is no longer blind in america today is driven by politics. >> example number one. it's president trump you had no problem dispatching matthew colangelo's, whose matthew clashes false? >> i did not dispatch matthew colangelo's matric potential pops up and alvin bragg's office to go get trump for the first time in american history. we do have a presidential administration is working to put its opponent in jail. this is entirely your work, including approving and unprecedented search of a former president's home he went on like that for roughly five hours on capitol hill today. but here tonight, straight to the source of those is one of the few people who knows what it's like to be in that seat that carlin within today, the former fbi director and the author of the new crime thriller westport, james comey and director comey, it's great to have you it's interesting to watch garland's hearing today and how he was pushing back. you've been critical in the past of his ability to communicate quickly with the american people about, about what exactly it is that the department of justice is doing in light of these republican attacks. i wonder how you think he did today? >> i think it was great. it was great to see the attorney general stand up for the integrity of the institution that he leads i let it was great that the fbi put out a very quick statement after trump issued that outrageous lie about the use of deadly force, so-called in the search warrant in mar-a-lago, which was remarkable because we don't often see the fbi put statements out like that. >> yeah. it has to be out there because the lie soaks into the national bloodstream. people believe when a former president says things as crazy as they may be, it's really important for those who know better to speak up quickly before that becomes sort of baked into our national conversation. >> what do you think's behind that change in how the fbi operated? i mean, you obviously were intimately familiar with it. you lead the department what do you make of what's different from how it was then to issuing statements like this, pushing back on donald trump's claims i think they've seen the damage that these lies can do. i would guess. i don't know for sure, but i would guess their reaction to some of the lies over the last few years was who would believe that. but millions of people will believe that. and so it's important, given that your institution depends upon public trust and confidence that you counter that lie, you don't want to be in rapid reaction, political spin type room. but you need to supply facts to the american people. >> what do you garland's demeanor today is not often how we see him. that's it was quite forceful for him at least. >> does it tell us something in your view about the level of alarm that these kinds of attacks are having, not just on the fbi or the justice department main justice, but, but kind of on the justice system overall in the united states the thing we have in common, despite are diverse disagreements about important policy issues in this country, is the rule of law. >> if the american people don't believe that there is justice, that the institutions are carrying about facts and the law were lost if a president can incite a mob to sack the capital and millions of people just say yeah, no big deal. were lost. and so i think the attorney general feels a sense of urgency to speak to that, to make sure people understand the rule of law is real and it is essential to this country given today's hearing was supposed to focus i mean, it's hard to it feels like a replay of last night we were talking with dr. fauci about a hearing that was extensively supposed to be on what we don't know what we've learned about covid-19. >> it turned into a lot of partisan attacks on dr. fauci. obviously, it seems like that's what we saw today. >> what this was supposed to be about was garland requesting president biden to assert executive privilege over audio tapes of his interview with his special counsel, robert hur, given garland was the one who pushed for that. >> do you believe that the attorney general made the right call? >> i don't know enough to have an informed thought on that. i mean, they have the transcript for having six. and so if you want to know what joe biden said at any moment during that interview, you can read it. i guess the concern at the fbi in particular is if we start turning over tapes of interviews, that'll chill future interviews that doesn't strike me as a unreasonable argument. but i'm not an expert in it when the her report came out in february, we had your former deputy on this show, andrew mccabe, and he told me he believed that there were nauseated similarities as he described it between how that report characterized president biden while while not charging him, and with your actions in 2016 with respect to hillary clinton and her for email investigation do you see those similarities hard for me to save and maybe i'm too close to it. what we tried to do in 2016 was explain why secretaries clinton's conduct didn't rise to the level of a crime. we had to characterize it in order to have our words make sense. i saw hur's report or taken a little bit of a swing beyond that characterization, that seemed to go much farther than anything we did. >> you think it went further than you describing her actions as careless right before the election sure. >> i do. and again, maybe people see it differently than i, but in in early july of 2016 in order to explain why this didn't rise to the level of intentional misconduct, we had to say what it was. and so what we said, which it was is that it was extremely careless, but we didn't go out of our way to describe the demeanor of the subject of the investigation, to characterize the person in the way that the special counsel did in that report. so i see it as very different and you think robert hur went too far? >> it sounds like it's felt to me like he took some swings that he really didn't need to take in order to characterize the evidence and explain why there wasn't sufficient evidence to bring a case donald trump, since i've last seen you on cnn, has now become the first former president to become a convicted felon you predicted before the verdict came down as the jury was still deliberating as the case is still being presented, that that he could potentially be convicted do you believe it's likely that the judge will sentence him to jail in this situation. >> i don't know. i would ordinarily say it's unlikely in a white-collar offense of this sort, but this is a defendant who's begging for a jail term by taking a flame thrower or not just to the judge, but to the entire process and the jury a judge will take that very seriously into consideration in deciding whether to deter this person and to send a message more broadly, he needs to spend some time behind bars. >> you think, judge, more sean should take everything he said where he has called judge merchan a tyrant he likened him to the devil every day before he walked into that courtroom, he said he was corrupt, baselessly. do you think the judge will take that into consideration when he does sentence him in a few weeks. >> i do. as well as him having to fine that the defendant had acted in contempt of the court's orders on multiple occasions. all of that will be part of the picture that the judge looks at the decide whether a message needs to be sent that involves jail as a former fbi director, what's it like to see one of the major nominees of one of our parties, the presumptive nominee at this point, be a convicted felon if you put it in a novel and i'm here because i just wrote a novel, your editor would strike it out and say that's just crazy that would never happen we're living in a really strange time. >> it must be a weird time to be a conspiracy theorists and flip on fox news. and you hear these people screaming at the attorney general about weaponizing. and the next story is about the department prosecuting the president's son for heaven's sakes. so we live in a strange time, but it's one where people have to understand what's at stake. donald trump cannot return to that oval office. >> yeah. you write fiction now, the latest book that you've written that we mentioned at the top is westport. i wonder given what yeah. i mean, what you lived through that was maybe stranger than fiction. i remember the de that you were fired. how does that compare writing fiction to the actual reality that you lived in? >> let's easier in a lot of ways because i can do it in my sweatpants on a laptop, on my back porch. and i don't have to be in dc dealing with some of the characters that the attorney general had to deal with or director ray has to deal with. so it's freeing in a way and i haven't written any dc-based plots yet. it's feels too icky to me, but maybe i'll get to it at some point let me ask you about something else. >> another investigation involving trump. this is the case with the classified documents and right now, the special counsel in that case, jack smith, is again asking for a gag order when it comes to the law enforcement officials who carried out that search at mar-a-lago when he refused? mr. turnover classified documents and the concern primarily is for their safety. the judge cannon here denied the first one. there are now trying again, do you believe that she should approve that gag order? >> i think she should i haven't read the terms of the proposed order, but if it's narrowly tailored to try and mitigate the threat that's created by donald trump lying about an effort by the fbi to allegedly assassinate him. that's crazy. and dangerous stuff that will resonate and disturbed minds. and there are a lot of disturbed minds out there. so i get at why the justice department, through its special counsel and the fbi, would want to try and protect the people who are doing the case, but is a registered republican for most of your life, what is it like donald trump obviously says a lot of things that aren't true. there's a dedicated fact checker because of that. but is a registered republican for most of your life, what is it like to see? public ins on capitol hill echo that and repeat that. and as we've seen on this show, defendant well, they're they're caught in the last days of a culture which i gather the unwinding of a cult is always very, very messy and angry because these people are doing with cognitive dissonance. that's off the charts, right? they know that their speech we can behalf of someone who's a really bad guy. they know their echoing his lies that must cause them a lot of pain. but they were acting to it by amping up their anger and their lives. it will pass away. but we are faced with a very difficult time with the institutions. are threatened. we must remember that's what's on the ballot in november what will you do if donald trump is re-elected get ready to publish my next book next spring. >> i was, i was hoping you'd never want to have me on next spring because donald trump will be in his bathrobe down in mar-a-lago. and joe biden will be in his second term. but if donald trump is still president, you'll probably want me on again. and we'll be talking i can again next may what are you going to write about domestic terrorism, white identity, extremism and it will not be old old-fashioned. come next may unfortunately and what's your concern about what that would look like in the united states in a second trump term well, what donald trump has done is lifted the control rods that we as a country have pressed down into the massage minus racist stew that's always been in our basement. we control the culturally, we controlled it with law. he has slowly over the last 78 years lifted the control rods that were cultural so that it was okay for people to they all kinds of really bad things that is damaging to a culture. but it also gives license to people to engage in horrific acts, both threatening and carrying out acts of violence. so there's a real cost to that. we've become numb to it a little bit. all of us, we can't remember the damage that those control rods coming out of the stew due to our country. >> do you believe that donald trump will come after you personally if he's reelected maybe he spent four years coming after me. i think all ended up with was a $400 tax refund, which is great, i guess i overpaid my taxes. i don't worry about me. i have the resources and the friends and i know how things work. i can do defend myself. i really worry about the people who have less of that than i do the people making the cases, the career civil servants who are prosecutors and judges who are the bedrock of our rule of law. they are the people who will be most at threat former fbi director james comey, the new book is westport, and apparently we have another one to potentially look forward to. thank you for your time tonight thanks for having me, kaitlan up next wisconsin is now joining four other states charging trump, allies and former campaign employees and the fake electors scheme, who has now been indicted. and why now? 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