>> but for how long sparks flying and hunter biden's trump and make it from the waist down crashes his car into the lobby of a local jail and any moment now a new verdict in the amanda knox case for lawyers looking to overturn a 16-year-old conviction all right 6:00 a.m. here in washington. a live look at the white house on this wednesday morning. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. the message from the white house this morning, the border is closed right now, most asylum seekers crossing illegally from mexico into the us are supposed to be turned back after president biden took executive action simple truth is, there is a worldwide migrant. >> chuck crushes. >> and if the united states doesn't secure our border, there's no limit to the number of people may try to come here. >> so today i'm moving past republican obstruction and using the executive authorities available to me as president to do what i can on my own to address the border the pushback was immediate progressive democrats calling it a betrayal while republicans claim it's a political ploy this is a public relations executive order, and it's meaningless meaningless. >> he could he could stop the millions of people coming into our country with one order and one signature. it's all there for him. i did it we should note that the aclu is filing suit to block the president's action. >> they were previously successful blocking a similar action that was issued by former president trump are panels here. molly ball, senior political correspondent for the wall street journals, cnn, legal analyst elliot williams, former federal prosecutor, and paddy soil is doyel. she's former presidential campaign manager for hillary clinton and matt gorman, former senior adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign. welcome all. thank you so much for being here. this morning molly ball, big picture at the president is doing this precisely because he wants these headlines for political reasons, the border is shut, it is closed but obviously this is something that republicans still feel like they have high, higher ground on. how does this ultimately work for the president or not they didn't go to church as i talked to you, don't expect the president to actually win on this issue. >> but the idea is that something is better than nothing they'd rather have something to point to to say he's doing something. then to have to sort of continue to ignore it or blame it on republicans in our own wall street journal polling, we've asked people what do you believe is a better explanation for what's going on in the border, is it that the president undid a bunch of trump's? executive actions and has allowed it to get out of control? or is it that republicans refuse to go along with these negotiated bipartisan border bill and the majority of people said the former, the majority of people blame the president for what's happening. don't blame republicans for not having come to the table or from having walked away from the table. on the border and that had been the argument before up to now, i think you do. here are some democrats and some on the left saying how does the president draw a distinction between him and trump if he's doing essentially the same things. and some of the progressives who are criticizing him, not just on the policy that they don't like, but politically are saying this now makes it harder for him to make that case. since trump's platform on immigration is such a central part of his campaign and was so contentious while he was president, right? >> this whole idea of republicans walking away, quote, unquote, really revolves around there's nothing more american than app mom, apple pie and failing to pass immigration reform happens literally every couple of years when i worked up in congress 2007, 2008, failures both times than i was at ice. oddly enough on the working on the border in 2013 and they failed again and congress can't seem to get their act together with passing legislation. what ends up happening then is that presidents trump did it biden. trump did it for different reasons. biden did it use these executive actions to try to patch the holes and that's why the aclu was suing the president has limited authority to step in when there's existing law and try to change it with just a signature, right. >> so this has divided democrats and i kinda wanna give you guys a preview of a little bit of a taste of how that's playing out. let's watch this as a series of democrats, progressive and moderate weighing in on the president's actions it is extremely disappointing that this white house would choose to double down on the previous administration's harmful and flawed immigration policies. it's not perfect, but i am supportive of the action that he took today. >> he knows it probably the courts will reject it as they did when president trump did. and that really throws the, the, the issue back to congress. >> the asylum is a very important part of american history, but now the system is being abused. i think it was the right thing to do. >> paddy soil. soil. you've run a presidential campaign. you hear what those democrats are saying. they're the moderates are basically saying like, yeah, i'm on board with this, but progressives are obviously some of them are calling it a betrayal. >> yeah. >> look, i don't think the president had a choice in all honesty again, that you trump came out early this year and said no, no, we're not going to do this bill. i'm not going to give biden the political win here i'm going to use this as a juggernaut. >> i'm this campaign, i'm going to win on this issue. and i'm sorry, mayors and governors of states that are being affected really high-stress situations it's for them. you know, they have called out and said we can't handle this anymore. trump said too bad, you're going to have to wait until after the election i i really honestly don't think by didn't have a choice is elliott said this is really complicated and really difficult to wrangle president's on both sides of the aisle for decades have tried to put together a comprehensive immigration reform and have failed miserably at it because it's complicated, it's got security implications, got economic implications, and myself included really high emotional implications as a daughter of mexican immigrants i don't think biden had a choice he had to do something to stop the bleeding on this issue matt gorman, i do want to show what, you know, obviously, these policies are very this is a very similar policy to what donald trump put in place, right biden clearly is aware of that, and he preemptively defendant himself against that by explaining how he he believes he's different from trump on this issue. >> watch this i will never demonize immigrants. >> i'll never refer to immigrants as poisoning the blood of a country further, i've never separate children from their families at the border i want to ban people from this country because of the religious beliefs i will not use the us military to go into neighborhoods all across the country for millions of people out of their homes so obviously, all of the contrasts that he sees with himself and donald trump. >> but the bottom line, politics of this are he's still taking this action for a reason. >> i mean, look, show someone she overton window this all has shifted right when we talked immigration, if we do this for a long time for the last decade or two, it was always if you wanted border enforcement, you wanted boards purity you had to do something. >> legal status, citizenship. that is not the guise of george w bush it was, was one or the one for the other. that is not the case anymore. >> look, i was down at the border last year with tim scott like i saw this firsthand. and i think also you see the politics just radically change on this issues and animating issue, not just for folks in the border states, but all across the country she begins, you're getting migrants really pop up. a lot of different places and look i think the biden administration sees that they need to do something on this. they needed move to answer these charges. right? >> it shows also the politics shifted right. >> day one, you saw biden reverse emergent declaration that trump had an office also title 42. now he's you're starting to see a view bring in the other direction because look, we've talked about abortion, i think rightly so was when i was animating issues of single issue voters, immigration is now rapidly becoming that on the other side, it's gonna be many respects a battle of which issue kind of dukes it out with the economy looming above all. >> yeah, really, really tough. all right. >> come on up next here. prosecutors painting hunter biden as a man driven by addiction in his federal gun trial, plus verdict lacz for amanda knox, knew courtroom drama connected to that infamous murder trial and alec baldwin's next chapter, a new 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welcome back. testimony in hunter biden's federal gun trial will resume this morning after yesterday's opening statements, the defense arguing the president's son did not knowingly lie about his drug abuse when he purchased the firearm in 2018 prosecutors using hunter biden's own words against him, playing back for the jury long portions of the audio book of his memoir in which he narrates his own fall into addiction i possessed a new superpower, the ability to find crack and anytown at anytime, no matter how and familiar the terrain, it was easy all right. panels back elliot williams, they're relying a lot on in the legal arguments on hunter biden's own words. >> quite frankly, we can play a little bit more of that actually, because this comes from his audio book. the book was written in 2019. obviously, these events are in at 20:18. and here's how hunter himself describes the timeline. >> if i could find some new treatments, some new approach, some new lifeline i thought i could still call my way back out during the nearly four years, of active addiction that preceded district of california, which included a half dozen rehab attempts that's what i told myself after each failure. >> so that of course is something the prosecution wanted out there. the defense is basically saying, well, this happened right after one of those stints in rehab and he thought he was clean. how does that work? >> the prosecution's only challenge here really is not going too far and not appearing to vilify or demonize someone who is addicted to or using drugs because as far as prosecution's go, these possession statutes and i prosecuted them to not for drug addiction, but usually for someone having a felony conviction beforehand are quite easy to prove. you just have to establish number one, the possession, not even the purchase of the gun, the possession of the gun. and number two, that the person was addicted to or using drugs at some point. now, defenses meant a little less severe though, felony conviction that's written down. it is a little fuzzy and but but it's there. i mean, you have the defendant's own voice and it isn't a huge leap to saying that at the time that the firearm was purchased, this person was using drugs. it's really just a question of not going too far and getting in the jurors heads that you are attacking or putting this person down i mean, there's a great basis for him to plead guilty at this point to just take the lower sentence, knock six or even 12 months off of the time he would have gotten given that if he does go through with trial and gets convicted, ultimately could be much higher sentence very interesting, matt, i want to talk with the politics of this for a second because nbc news reported a pretty heated confrontation that played out at the courthouse yesterday between melissa cohen, biden, who is hunter biden's wife, and a man named garrett ziglar, who is a former trump aide. >> so hunter biden's wife confronts garrett ziegler outside the trial. she points her finger at him and says, you have no right to be here you nazi pos. obviously using the profane version of that ziglar, then was interviewed, told nbc news, it sad, i've been sitting here the whole time having approached anyone for the record, i'm not a nazi. i'm a believer in the us constitution. i haven't said one thing to them. now, this is a guy, garrett sigler, who after trump leaves the white house, has really made a career out of assembling information and disseminating it about hunter biden. they blame him for many of the most salacious and nasty things that came out into the open from the hunter biden laptop and everything else. but i was i was pretty surprised to see that his wife it really underscores just how tense this all is. >> there's a story, i believe it's in political recently talking about the toluse is putting on the president as well, right? i think that is something that is really percolating behind the scenes, attends to the family because me look, i'm not a lawyer, but ellie, how much is he looking at in terms of a penalty if he is found guilty, conviction as you were saying before, a bunch of months, but not a few years. and i'm being a little vague here because it's going to be sort of a bell curve kind of. but you don't. so pleading would be i think six to 12 months. yeah. get a little more than that. >> if he ends up going, there was a plea deal, right. >> like where it kind of got shot down, whatever. but like i think that is really the tension behind this for the biden family, we look but hundreds of grown man, like you can handle this like whatever. but obviously for the loved ones, it's tough and you put this in the shadow of a presidential campaign biden is what? 81 right now. he's not, he's not a spring chicken. so these things are tougher as you get older. and i think that is a real, real thing at play here. for all the family involved? yeah. >> all right. coming up next here, we expect the 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