donald trump and try to control the narrative because trump himself always controlled the narrative. >> now if you talked to any of his senior advisers, they are making no plans for him to go to present his lawyers believe they have a good case for him not to go to prison. they think is age, the fact that he doesn't have any kind of criminal record, make that case and they are insisting that he will not go to prison. however, donald trump is making his own personal phone calls privately saying that he thinks he could very well be behind bars and that he is okay with it. i will note that almost anyone you talked to, who knows donald trump does not think you would actually be okay with going to prison, but that is what he is telling people. >> and you also have some reporting on this vetting process in the search for trump's running mate yeah, things are really starting to heat up and they have in the last several weeks, several of those potential vice president that i'm sure can until vice presidential candidate to be at the top of the ticket. >> now it's unclear who exactly got them, but as cnn has continued to report, we know several names that have been told to us that are at the top for the list that includes doug burgum, marco rubio, jd vance, as well as elise stefanik and tim scott. >> this just goes to show you where this process is. >> i will say that if you talk to anyone around donald trump, they say that, yes. the is did go out. >> however, donald trump will ultimately decide it won't be a vetting process that picks the vice presidential candidate. all right. kristen holmes, thanks so much for your reporting and this just in at least one of those high profile names floated as a contender to be donald trump's vice president denies that he's being vetted. >> let's get right to cnn's manu raju on capitol hill. manu. but we talking about here. >> yeah, marco rubio of florida republican, somebody of course, we ran against donald trump in 2016 and a pretty vicious campaign, but things have changed over the years and now rubio is very much aligned with donald trump, but they speaking to a group of reporters just moments ago, he was asked about whether or not he is actually being vetted or has been caused taken by the campaign and the indicated at the moment, he is not have you have even reach out to the trump campaign as part of the vetting process i haven't talked to trump. >> no information the aspirin documents for you? >> i haven't talked to him about vice president. i talked to you guys about vice president are not damaged so the question is, if that will change, if there's been in discussions with any intermediaries, rubio very much making clear their jake, though there has not been much back-and-forth with the trump campaign at the moment. >> but we'll see if things change as we get closer to the republican convention. >> we should also note they're currently from the same state, so that would be problematic, i guess trump would have to move back to new york or rubio would have to move to georgia? i don't know. monitor raju. thanks so much. appreciate it as trump comes to terms with his guilty verdict, he and a significantly large group i've allies are plotting revenge. the new york times lays it all out in a piece titled the gop pushed for post-verdict payback fight fire with fire. the plan according to the reporters at prosecutorial blitz, republicans who have accused democrats of using the law to go after a political opponents, what they call lawfare are now saying they should respond in kind, and charlie savage joins us now he's one of the new york times reporters, biden store. so charlie, a large number of trump allies want elected republicans to take retaliatory action right now, even before the election, what specifically are they pushing for? >> the idea here is that republican district attorneys and prosecutors and states around the country should be looking for opportunities to bring charges against democrats especially high level of democrats, to fight fire with fire, the premise being that all of the indictments against trump, including that one which has now been converted into felony convictions are simply a conspiracy by joe biden in the white house to invent cases out of thin air. and so they should be doing the same thing as opposed to cases that were based on evidence we just reported earlier on the senator menendez on being tried in new york. hunter biden being tried in delaware. there's an indictment against democratic congressman cuellar in texas how do they respond to that? the fact that democrats are obviously being prosecuted that those facts are inconvenient for the conspiracy theory that the biden administration has weaponized the justice department for its own political ends and so they tend to ignore those cases. >> steve bannon in the former chief strategist at trump told you that now was the moment for obscure republican prosecutors around the country to try to make a name for themselves by prosecuting democrats. he said, quote, there are dozens of ambitious backbencher state attorneys general and district attorneys who need to seize the day and own this moment in history is this idea really feasible district attorneys around the country are going to have a harder time going after national political figures. they only have state law to work with. they need to have jurisdiction, which means the thing needs to have happened and then their space. you could see perhaps a red very republican, conservative prosecutor and a purple states like georgia that has us senators who are democrats trying to find some kind of state tax crime against those senators. but it's not like joe biden or hillary clinton or barak obama is running around rural alabama and doing things that then could be a source of a crime. so i think this may be more heat than substance unless and until trump is re-elected, in which case he gains control of the us justice department. and then all bets are off from what you've learned in your reporting, what sort of revenge? >> and might be enacted if trump is re-elected to the white house, what would his justice department, a theoretically do well, what one of the things that we would be a repeat of a previous playbook is to investigate the investigators some of the people we quoted in an article are already calling for that. >> the note just as the trump administration and attorney general, bill barr created the special counsel, john durham investigation was spent four years trying to find a basis to bring criminal charges against high level obama administration officials as revenge for the russia investigation, but was unable to find enough, sufficient evidence to do so i think they want to go after anyone who had anything to do with the trump cases. and so that would be one starting place in addition, of course, they trump himself, keeps saying he's going to appoint a real special prosecutor to go after biden and his son in the whole so-called biden crime family. again, that's a little hard to square with the fact that 100 is currently on trial by a special counsel and a special counsel looked at biden's mishandling of classified documents and concluded there was insufficient evidence to bring charges over that matter, but so bring assigning a real special counsel seems to mean get someone who will bring charges regardless. your piece says, quote, the intensity of anger and open desire for using the criminal justice system against democrats after the verdict surpasses anything seen before in mr. trump's tumultuous years and national politics, what is different now is the range of republicans who are saying retaliation is necessary and who are no longer cloaking their intent with euphemisms, unquote, was there any republican in particular who's reaction surprised you? >> but you were just talking about marco rubio. he put out a tweet about fighting fire with fire in this context that can only mean one thing. i think that more broadly what you're getting there, what we're getting at there is it used to be only the most extreme maga republicans who would play with this idea. let's just use who's our control of the justice department to achieve political ends, to go after our adversaries as an into itself and especially since this verdict, we're seeing this sort of mainstreaming of this rhetoric. and this notion that if if, if democrats aren't equally persecuted with politicized investigations and prosecutions. then this will just get out of hand and there needs to be mutually assured destruction. so democrats will stand down again, the premise of all this is the cases against trump were not based on evidence and fact they were just invented for medical reasons. from that premise comes the notion, well, we could do the same thing but in the real world you would have to find an actual evidence of a crime to do something. >> charlie savage. thanks so much coming up more on how republicans are working on ways to turn their anger over donald trump's criminal convictions into action. what might that look like plus or dramatic story of one of the heroes who helped save lives and save democracy when the us change the course of the world along with the brits and the canadians on d-day the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president one day to moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate thursday, june 2079, live on cnn and streaming on max organic soil from a miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. >> good soil and you get good results. >> look at that. the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli, i think some of them were 67 pounds. red licorice are black licorice i see as long as it's from licorice dot call a curation of delicious faith, ship frehse to you or a loved one? 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that's really the question. it's terrible, terrible path that they're leading us to add. it's very possible that it's going to have to happen to them you know, trump, you served under trump in the white house. where do you see him taking this should he be elected in november? >> i think well it's not just president trump. i think republicans across the board are upset with what does the term lawfare is out there. i think we're going to hear that more and more during the campaign. i think republicans are upset that it does feel like he was targeted with by alvin bragg break ran on targeting donald. i don't know that that's actually true. i believe i know that the letitia james, the attorney general, new york, she definitely did but people have said that. is i think if we go back and check out the video tape, i think we can prove that bragg regardless. yes, they're upset. they're upset with this and look, we're seeing this across the board. you also america, folks, republicans think trump was targeted we've had republicans today. the thing hunter biden on this particular charge was targeted we're now starting to use the legal forums as political forums. and i suspect that if president trump re-elected doesn't pursue it, that members of the party in the house and senate but as well, there's, there seems to be this, this devolution when it comes is very similar when i was thinking about this to the nuclear option, when harry reid imposed, we don't need majority. we don't need closure votes on you don't need 60 people to close. we are now with the supreme court and these things just manifest yes. >> itself and pick up speed and roll down the hill. >> so megan, take a listen to the speaker of the house, mike johnson asked about all this on fox earlier today are you weaponizing the house the same way? >> you say democrats were weaponizing the doj to get what they wanted. are you just doing it in a bigger platform? entire presented no, there is a very clear distinction democrats and the far-left have pushed this pendulum too far. >> it's going to begin to swing back can we have to do our job here in congress to assist with that, to hold these people accountable and to ensure that the law is being adhered to. that's the effort they go see play out here in the coming weeks. >> so good question from the okamoto because i know there are democrats who feel like the house oversight committee, et cetera. is politicizing their responsibilities? >> yeah. i do think they're politicizing it, but they're also not getting what they want at the end of the de, democrats as we've seen for the past couple of months, are really the ones in power. they mike johnson needed them to save his job, but also on alvin bragg running trump was found guilty by a jury of his peers, of 12 people. so that's great that he might have run on that, but he was also found guilty by 12 different people. so it's kind of rich of him to say that do you have concerns at all about it? >> let's assume that that republicans do go down this road and start going for the sake of argument, let's say that again, this is just for the sake of argument that donald trump did commit those misdemeanors, but they should not have been felonies. okay. that's and that and that the district attorney making them into felonies was lawfare in this theory. >> do you have concerns about republicans doing the same? >> two democrats isn't that just i i i personally do have concerns that this is as i said earlier, it is going to devolve that we're going to see this on both the left and the right i mean, unfortunately, on both the left and the right, we have we have elected officials that sometimes care more about how much time they get on television, or how much money that they can raise through small-dollar donors because of their salacious. they're there hyperbolic emails. yes and less about governing the country. >> and this is one form of that. >> what do you think? do you have any concern about it? >> no, i have a lot of concern and former president trump is re-elected. i mean, he has already said that he will have revenge and he will do the things he doesn't have respect for the rule of law. it's a huge you have any concern about your party may doing some of the same like the alvin bragg case was a it was a novel theory the way it was applied. and even people who do like trump aren't necessarily fans of what was done. do you have any concerns about that? no, i don't. i also think we have a president who has a ton of respect for the rule of law just the way he's handling the hunter case right now shows you that he's trying not to politicize that he's been very, very clear about. he is a father and being supportive. so i just i just think it's different in the contrast. >> i just we've got wisconsin, we've got arizona, we've gotten nevada, we've got georgia, we've got all these states, battleground states that elected to wait 3.5, three years to file charges are talking about the fake electors scheme. >> absolutely. now, is there there there probably. but why would you wait three years? why would you wait to the two election season? and in every case it's a battleground state and it's a democratic prosecutor. but i respectfully disagree that democrats are already taking to be continued. your both great. thank you for being here. i appreciate it. we do have some breaking news. it's a busy afternoon, a breaking news on the lea law enforcement sources are telling cnn that the suspect charged in new york's gilgo beach serial killings will now be charged with additional murders. cnn's jean casarez with me on this breaking, you've seen what do we know about these new charges? while we were just able to confirm that it is expected that tomorrow in long island that rex heuermann, who has already been charged with four murders will be charged now with two more alleged serial killer murders. first of all, we're learning the name of jessica taylor now, jessica taylor, her partial remains were found in the year 2003 in a marshy area and manners ville, it's sort of a forest. the area and it is a month ago that law enforcement was searching that area, but it was 2003. they were initially found other remains were found in 2011, and then also valerie mac, whose remains were found in the year 2000 in that same area, additional hello remains in 2011. now these two women were sex workers. we do not know how rex heuermann was linked to them through forensics. we do know that with the previous victims, it was sex worker adds burner phones from him, cell phone tower, ping when both the sex worker and he were in the massapequa area and then the disappearance of the victim. so we know that was the timeline that the previous victims we don't know, but here's what stands out, jake. number one this shows that he allegedly began killing victims much earlier clear because the other four were deceased and it was believed that they were deceased in 2007, 2009, and 2010, right. >> in that area. so this is the early 2000s, so it shows a more expansive time period. secondly, another thing that is very important here is that there were body parts that were found and so the possibility is that these victims were dismembered, if not animals can carry those remains even to distant areas. but was the modus operandi of this alleged serial killer different early on than what it was in the later years. and law enforc