his political opponents. also tonight, the alleged gilgo beach serial killer accused of having haunted even more victims years before the others. >> the new murder charges factor to be handed down. and a forgotten hero of d-day 80 years since the storming of warm and de, a black army medic is forgotten no more. his son is here to share his remarkable story. tonight on laura coates live all right, not one but two of the major legal cases around donald trump are now in a kind of legal quicksand and they're going nowhere fast, including the one that brought us this infamous mug shot. the one down in fulton county. now the chance of a trial happening there this year let alone before he number election, it basically evaporated today. a georgia appeals court put the election interference case on hold indefinitely until it rules on the appeal to disqualify the da fani willis and let's be honest, that is going to take months and we are what, 153 or so days away from the election bureaucracy moves pretty slowly. the mar-a-lago classified documents case that's also stalled and appears to be in some sort of pretrial hearing, purgatory and limbo. just today, judge aileen cannon came with a new hearing casual for different motions that could delay the case some more minute. this case hasn't even have a trial date yet now, trump and his allies have railed against all of these cases collectively. but lately their anger has been focused on the one prosecutor who had a trial and secured a conviction. i'm talking about the manhattan da, alvin bragg. and in a preview of what they say is in store should trump win, his allies, steve bannon told axios, of course bragg should be and will be jailed for what, how, what, and when. well, that's i guess the details. and it's not just the vaknin trump allies on capitol hill say that they're ready to retaliate thanks, have consequences. they going to have consequences as they should convicted, or wrong. man well, juror is disagreed. >> donald trump has talked are attributions since well, ever since is indictments came out, but tonight on fox news he said, people who think kill, use the justice system to prosecute his enemies are wrong. but then he followed that up with this statement look when this election is over, based on what they've done, i would have every right to go after them and it's easy because it's joe biden and you see all the criminality well, joining us now, former homeland security adviser to vice president mike pence olivia troy, if i'm a republican congressman, joe walsh, i'm glad the both of you are here. i'm just gonna go back that statement. i would have every right to go after them you were in the trump administration. you were frankly an outspoken critic what do you make of that statement? do you feel concern? absolutely. i think that we should take that very seriously. i think one thing donald trump does is tell you exactly what he's gonna do out loud. he is the king of projection. i would say. >> and he tells us all what his plans will be when he tells you that he's going to do something or you said something to that effect? >> you should take that very seriously and look at my concerned i'm concerned for myself. i'm concerned for my family. i'm concerned for many of us who have spoken the truth about the danger that he is. and i'm i'm concerned for these judges and everyone else who have really just been doing their jobs i mean, there was the concerns you faced when you were getting threats. i mean, it's been years now living that you've been combating this whole issue. and now this idea of the perspective is he's relaying this a perspective, maybe even a prosecution for what an idea of that concern has that exponentially increased it for you? >> it has. and i think what is really disturbing here as he goes on fox news and he says, oh no, we've now become a banana republic. know trump. >> that's what you want us to be. >> that's the direction that we would go in. should you come back into office because you will be holding prosecution's you'll be holding people in jail because you're vindictive and you're angry get them just for following the rule of law, just for following the judicial process i mean, if you can if you committed a crime you should have due process and you should be held accountable. >> lori, we can't mince words and this isn't the first time trump has said something like this. this is fascism if i get elected and i am running the government, i'm going after my enemies i'm going to use the powers of government to go after my enemies. he's said this a number of times. this is fascism the american people need to wake up to this i remember what it was like a pearl-clutching moment to think about somebody having an enemies list, write a political enemies less. and the idea that being so stunning to democracy. and remember when john dean raised it and talked about this use of it, and even what irs audits and beyond. now we're talking about using the justice system in a way that he is saying is happening to him. >> but i want to turn to the issue of classified documents, as well as but one other issue and you, olivia, of course you're paying very close attention because you've been somebody who served in national security for a long time. >> this is one of those cases. i think people are very unsettled about that. what happened to the document, who has been has seen these documents and beyond. and this is being slow walked in a particular methodical fashion. do you have concerns about this case in particular, not happening before the election? >> i do because look, this is a case where it deals with matters of serious national security. >> these are people's lives. these are people sons, daughters, people who are deployed in the field. these are members of the military, members of the intelligence community that i served in and when you look at that and you think this person could be possibly the commander in chief again, that's why this matters, because it wasn't just that he took the documents and see he obstructed the entire process after it. right? it was the obstruction. when you do something wrong, you're like, oh, my bad, my bad. i did not mean to take this. i don't even know what i'm doing with those. you try to be at least appear to be remorseful about the situation laura, here's the bigger, broader picture. >> trump's bad for us the trump's the luckiest sob in the world. think about it, three-and-a-half years. he tried to overthrow an american election. he will not be put on trial for that before this election. he tried, he used the powers of his office to try to force georgia to overturn their results. he will not face trial for that before this election. and as olivia said, he stole and then obstructed the retrieval of classified documents he's not going to be put on trial for that before this selection. the only thing he's on trial for is hush money to a porn star. he had sex with 15 years ago. the american people deserve better than that. >> well, they found falsified business records in that case alone that hadn't been had a connection to the election, but i hear your larger point i've always been sort of flabbergasted by the idea of doubling down to keep the documents. i think about it as a mom. right? if my children had something in the cart at target and i walked out and they say, excuse me, you didn't pave that, wouldn't be like, well, it's my now it's in my car and i would get it back. right. this is not a true story. my kids are not take things from try again, i'm just using that as example. but he doubled down on very important documents while it continues to do so. >> but then there are those who are supporting him, even through all this and the gop vice presidential, vip stakes continues to this very day on this list of people were hearing from cnn tonight. >> you've got governor doug burgum. we've got senators, marco rubio and jd vance, tim scott congresswoman elise stefanik, congress when byron donalds and also dr. ben carson, they've all apparently received some bedding materials from the trump campaign you served in the vice president's office and of course, your reaction to this? we saw how vice president pence was treated, particularly in the end are you surprised so many people are raising their hands now you know, i think political craven, nas, and opportunistic people that, that's what they're gonna do. >> and i think that they think they go into this and i think especially in trump's circles, they go into an and said, it'll be different for me. it'll be different than it was for mike pence. well, guess what? mike pence was extremely loyal to trump, i would say even to his detriment. i mean, i know his characters edge man anyway. yeah. and then at the end, his most loyal soldier, what does he do? >> he completely under the bus and puts him and his family and all these other people at risk. and doesn't care at all about it, right? and so i think i think it's pathetic to see some of these people angling. i think some of those people whose pictures you just thought there could be credible voices they could be credible voices and creating a different path for the republican party in a different future for it, we don't know who he'll pick, but he'll pick somebody who will say the 2020 election was stolen and every one of these indictments is unfair and donald trump's a great victim. that's what he's looking for. >> well, the likely challenge, of course, one of the familiar and popular narratives is about the mental fitness of the person who is an office. i just want to ask you really quickly about this because president biden is on a high-profile trip overseas is the 80th commemoration of the farming of normandy. but of course back here there's the wall street journal public's piece titled behind closed doors, biden show signs of slipping and they spoke with more than apparently 45 republicans, joe on this point and democrats over a course of, i think several months who were in meetings with biden and beyond and also included officials and, you worked in many ways for the trump white house. this is part of what the concern is. olivia, and i want here for you as well, joe no administration wants this kind of covers the white house is pushed back. of course, saying that congressional republicans, foreign leaders, and nonpartisan national security experts have made clear in their own words that president biden is a savvy and an effective leader who has a deep record of legislative accomplishment. now in 2024, house republicans are making false claims as a political tactic that flatly contradict previous statements made by themselves and their colleagues. let me ask you both with liquid respond is this a tactic that will win biden has one obstacle, laura, he has to show the american people he's not too old and he's up to the job. >> he has to do that don't don't lie and insult the voters and say, i haven't slowed down a little bit. ease 81-years-old acknowledged it and sam better than the other yeah, i guess and i would say, well, you know what? yes. fight in his older but he's saying and he will be surrounding himself with people who are saying who care about the rule of law of our country, who actually understand and respect national security and understand foreign diplomacy and what's at risk. i mean, look at the other guy. he's old, by the way, and he slowed down down easy stuff and he's been saying crazy stuff even while sitting in the oval office. so when i look at the two of them, there's only one choice here. and when you think about what does trump cabinet look, let's look at the people that are going to surround him. all right. look at the lunacy of that. that's what i look i've needs to own it. look at all he's done. >> yeah, that's a campaign slogan older but saner. there's the t-shirt olivia troy coin. did joe walsh thank you both so much. there are a major legal questions in florida and also in georgia's. and as we've mentioned after trump's big legal wins in both places. so why is the judge in the classified documents case scrambling up the schedule and delaying it yet again, my next guest says a judge judge cannon knows exactly what she's doing. and we'll talk about in just a moment the increase in wildfires is exponential unpredictable uncontrollable with overwhelming consequences, the need to do something is urgent finally, we have schreiber sunday at night on cnn work play link relief work play blanket really. >> the only three and one extended release formula for dry eyes blink. >> you'd call them caramels or caramels, whatever you call them, qarrah metals.com makes 26 mouthwatering flavors that are the freshest and softest caramels ever produced, try them for yourself or someone you love, go today to caramels.com and see for yourself you. have an excellent warren warranty blurring she okay. got it. go. >> you must have american home shield that you know, i can tell you a appliances in home systems are protected, covered repairs and replacements taking care of one, she never lie he cookie dough american homes yield, don't worry, be warranty. >> if you spit blood when you brush, it could be the start of a domino effect new periodontics have gum repair, breath freshener, clinically proven to help reverse the four signs of early gum disease a new toothpaste from periodontics, the dom experts with armor all a little bit of this protects you from a lot of that armor all west work more clean when you're hot, nothing feels better than the gentle cooling breeze of a ceiling fan, right? 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once again, throwing a wrench in the schedule will here to help try to answer that question, retired california superior court judge ladoris cordell judge. thank you so much for being here. i i've been wondering and waiting to talk to you about this. is there any legitimate judicial purpose for judge cannon to be slow walking the case and the way that she is well, thank you for having me back again i'm laura subtlety is not in judge cannon's toolbox. quite the opposite. she is blatantly following the trump playbook, which is delay do everything no matter how legally ridiculous to stop trump from going to trial in this classified documents case, and to keep him from being held accountable. so her latest delay the trial ploy is to hope hold a hearing this time on the constitutionality of jack smith's appointment as special counsel ridiculous. >> that's already been taking care of, ruled on by other courts, but no, she loves to hold a hearing. and in addition, she's a want one. i drag it out an additional hour and a half by having three outside individuals. they're not witnesses, they're not parties to this case. to participate in the hearing, to give her so she can hear their expertise in this whole area may judge on that point. >> i do wonder for some people, but listen, they may say, hold on, that's that specific part sounds like the amicus briefs that is supreme court. might entertain. how is this different than say these friend of court briefs? when people are not parties to the action, but they have some vested interests and they want to share their thoughts in a way that might be helpful. why and how is this instance different yeah. >> i mean, in this instance, the judge herself is reaching out and saying, oh, come in and be a part of this hearing, not allowing the lawyers to first come in, make their for arguments, and then present if they want to at the hearing, these some individuals or some more expertise in in the issue instead, she's she's just kinda know i'll just open it up and we'll just drag this out some more. but most importantly, laura judge cannon has not made any rulings on any substantive issues when she could have. >> and by that happening, this means she can't be reversed or taken up on appeal because you can't appeal anything until the judge has made a substantive ruling. so that means she can then slow walk everything without any repercussions. this woman, this judge, really knows how to manipulate the judicial system and she's doing it very, very effectively. >> although blatantly and right, right in front of us in plain sight. and she's getting away with it. >> well, the special counsel, jack smith, have any recourse well, again what recourse if she hasn't made a ruling. so she'll listen to these issues and at low, i think i want to have another hearing or i want to add something more and still not making a ruling, just like the gag order, jet jack smith's request for a gag order. >> right. >> and so oh, what does she do? well, we're going to have to hold a hearing and we'll have to see about where i go on that and by the way, that hearing, let's hear other stuff too. let's hear about the prosecution of the defense wants to interrogate federal witnesses who were maybe a part of the search. i'm it just goes on and on and remember, early on, she asked them to propose jury instructions on an issue that's not even relevant to the case and the trial, there's no trial date in this case. >> i want to remind everyone that i have very limited time, judge, unfortunately, but i do want to ask you quickly since you mentioned gag orders, there is still one pending in the manhattan case under judge merchan, there is a request that's been made for that to be to go away. now that the conviction is as taken place, the appeal will obviously be pending. >> would you modify or remove the gag order at this junction if you were judge merchan okay. very quickly. judge. must sean has jurisdiction over trump, not only through the sentencing, but even afterwards. if he plays his truck on probation. in my view, the judge should not do away with should not lift