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many more all coming in right here to cnn news central and historic showdown. now, just one week away, the stage is set. president biden and former president trump will have their first debate of the 20 24 race next thursday right here on cnn. and we just learned some new information on how the debate is going to go down after having a coin flip to determine the order of closing statements and podium placements. the trump campaign chose to go last for closing statements, meaning that trump will get the final word. this came after the biden campaign won the coin toss and selected the right podium position. but before both candidates take the debate stage next week, we're learning some new details about how they're both preparing. we have cnn's mj lee at the white house following this for us. so mj president biden is expected to arrive at camp david tonight. what do we know about how he'll be preparing there? >> yeah. briana, we expect president biden to be at camp david for a stretch of days where he is going to be really hunkered down with a small group of senior aides to pensively focus on debate prep. but of course, that process has already started beginning with these binders that will hold a list of questions and topics that could potentially come up at that debate stage. and all of the answers that the president could potentially give. and back in 2020, the president was known to have given really detailed feedback on all of the answers that he might offer on the debate age. >> and then as we get closer to debate night, we expect that the biden team is going to do full run-throughs these mock debates. >> and we of course know that the president's lawyer, bob bauer, did play the role of donald trump last time around, i were still waiting on word on exactly who is going going to be playing that role again, it could once again be bob bauer, but the broader strategy here for the biden team is looking for every opportunity to draw a contrast with donald trump on every issue like reproductive rights, which is something of course the white house and campaign talk about a lot draw that contrast and also trying to paint donald trump is having been politically divisive threat to democracy. and we know that the campaign is hoping that at the end of the night, the audience will have been donald trump, as chaotic and divisive and seeing president, president biden as sort of the alternative steadier version of that. now, we know that one campaign official has said, you know, president biden has been punchier recently in his remarks going after donald trump. and they are hoping that that is the version of president biden that is going to be appearing on the debate stage next week all right? >> we'll be looking to see if that's the case. mj lee live force from the white house. thank you. and let's bring in cnn's alayna treene. now how is trump preparing for this? >> well, i'll tell you one thing. he's not doing and it's mocked debates even though we heard that just from mj right now that president joe biden is doing that, donald trump is not. now remember in the past he has done mock debates. he's had rudy giuliani hey, chris christie stand-in for his opponents. but donald trump's team, this turnaround is saying he doesn't need as much preparation that i'm going to rallies and doing media interviews is his forum of preparing however, of course, he needs to prepare. and when i talked to his team, they say, of course we need to do our homework. they just don't want to say that publicly. so what i'm told well, does that he's had more than a dozen what they're dubbing policy discussions with senators, potential vice presidential candidates, policy experts, and some of those conversations have centered on his discussion around his handling of the january 6 capitol attack. we know he met with center work, marco rubio, key vice presidential contender last week. he's also talked about the economy and accession with jd vance earlier this month at mar-a-lago, there's also been discussions about how to frame his recent conviction in his new york hush money trial. so all things where donald trump's team recognizes that he really needs to sharpen his message and see how they want to frame that to the american people. and it's not just policy as well that they're discussing. there also talking about his rhetoric. we know that in past debates he's become very aggressive, wouldn't let biden get a word in and his numbers seem to fall after that. and so there's discussion around there about reining in some of that aggressive behavior as well. >> and a mic catch in the middle of your without a stop, i will notice alayna treene. thank you so much. it's really interesting to see how obviously they're preparing, but very differently in characteristically array say for both of them. thank you, boris let's get some analysis now from debate expert and professor at southern illinois university carbondale, todd graham todd, thanks so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us what do you make of the very different approaches to debate prep from these candidates this, was not a surprise that donald trump is not going through official debate prep because he's always sort of been that way both in 2016, and 2020 in fact it might desk point features advantage to not try something different. because the only thing lead that he got out of debate prep in 2020 was totally so that didn't work out. his first debate was terrible. so i think him just kinda doing what makes him feel comfortable as good. but if i were coaching them, i would be more on the biden team of actually practicing, talking about policy issues. what will trump say, et cetera. so i think i give the advantage in preparation to biden one thing you have to remember, it's neither so one of them have debated in this cycle. so it's been four years since either one of debated and every time we see a debater who hasn't a presidential candidate, who hasn't debated for years, they usually start that first debate quite badly. so i'm looking for some rough spots at the beginning of the day yeah, there there may be some rust and there's also a different dynamic at play because last time around in the 2020 debates, the candidates class, they talked over each other. >> this time, the mics are gonna be muted for candidates when it's not their turn to speak, there's also not going to be an audience how is that dynamic? do you think going to play out i think those rules were made and designed because of the way donald trump debates. >> we haven't had to have those rooms before because frankly, no other debaters has been outside of the norm of what's considered presidential debates. but because trump's interruptions, et cetera. that first debate in 2020 with ten biden dealing back-and-forth is so chaotic. it really gave him a false impression fact, one of donald trump's top aides said more than fitting covid the worst thing that happened to him was that first debate against biden when he just yelled at him for an hour and a half. now, so these rules are designed to prevent that interrupting. so with the microphone muted, they won't be able to speak where they can speak, et cetera. so one thing to look out for just because your microphone is muted, doesn't mean you can't talk. so it's possible and i've seen this in other debate forums that i've watched. it's possible for your opponents be talking over you, even though the audience can't hear them it can still distract you. and so if trump decides to talk over biden, it will make biden look like he's stumbling over his speech because we won't hear trump. we will simply see biden stomach. so that's one potential problem, but i love their no audience. i could go into that detail if you'd like. >> sure. go for it alright. >> here it is. i've written some cops are seen in about how i can't stand debate audiences because they're just shearing and whooping that all the wrong times and it makes you feel like you make a good argument when you probably don't. here's why. i think no audience disadvantages donald trump. he is only used to getting friendly reviews and he's only used to speaking at rallies. those are people who like to applaud what he has to say. and donald trump can be funny at times, and he plays off the artists with no audience in their, the emperor's better got some clothes on because he environment going to have to be very good on their policy answers because there's no audience in there to either cheer trump on, on an irrelevant answer, or to stop the moderators from being more aggressive. one thing you might note is audiences have been able to shush moderators and blew them out of saying certain questions and asking things if they get upset. well, now they won't donald trump or jill biden i can doesn't answer the question though reporters will simply say, hey, you didn't answer the question. we'd like you to keep trying and you can keep doing that with no audience. so i think no. audience plays better into seeing what their policy positions really are. i think will help the overall informativeness of the debate yeah, there's a lot there to watch out for a quick question. so there was a coin flip today and biden's team one, they chose the president's podium position over deciding the order of closing arguments. so biden will be standing on the right side of the tv screen. what's behind that decision wouldn't i'm guessing. you might have wanted your candidate to have the last word, no no, not necessarily what i don't understand is why they picked a particular podium. i not done any research on this. i don't know if the right side or left side is more persuasive, et cetera. but what i do know is in presidential debates very few people watch until the very end. so the opening statements, if there were some that there aren't more important than the closing statements, very few people stick around to the closing and the closings are always pretty generic, both for me, et cetera. and i've watched the last 70 presidential debates primaries and not, and i think the closings are fairly worthless. so now there's no problem the closing you will still want to tune in for the very end of this cnn debate, just seven days away, moderated by dana bash and jake tapper, june 27th, right here on cnn. todd graham, it fascinating to talk to you. look forward to having you on again yeah and the best up is always found at the end of the debate. so please tune it. >> good point, good thinking. thanks so much still ahead or following a pair of breaking stories involving former president trump's legal cases. the first involves his civil fraud case. trump's legal team now asking the judge who oversaw that case to recuse himself will explain why. and then there's news involving the classified documents case, the new york times reporting that two federal judges urged judge aileen cannon to decline that case. we have detailed still to 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arthur and garan engaged in prohibited communications with a real estate lawyer about the case before issuing his decision. >> let's get to cnn's kara scannell. she broke this story and joins us now alongside a former federal prosecutor, renato mariotti, qarrah. what do learning so trump's lawyers have filed this motion with dozen goren asking him to recuse himself from the case. and as you say, this all date to some conversations that the judge allegedly had with the new york real estate lawyer a few weeks before he issued his decision. this is all based on a report by nbc who spoke with the attorney this new york real estate lawyer, adam bailey, who said that he had conversations with the judge in the courthouse before the decision was issued now, the spokesman for the court at the time told nbc that there were no communications about this case between the judge and this lawyer, so they've denied that there were any communications that took place, but trump's lawyers are saying this attorney had told nbc that this had happened and that he had conversations with the judge and the judges are not supposed to have conversations about a case without all the attorneys and everyone present. so there taking this nbc story and the attorneys statements there and saying that that is reason why the job but she now recuse himself. they're saying if the judge won't recuse themselves, they want him to allow them to hold a hearing to explore some evidence in this, to understand what had actually happened between before a different judge. now, judging goren has not yet weighed in on this matter. we've not yet heard back from a spokesman for the court about this. if there's any additional the update to what they had previously said, denying that there was any communications. but this is the latest move by trump's team to try to move the judge off the case. because even though the case and the judgment is on appeal, this judge is still overseeing a monitor who is in place to look over the trump organization finances. and now for the next several years boris briana or carroll, let's bring in renato to talk about this. ronaldo. it sounds bad, but then as you get into the details, you realize that this particular lawyer actually approached the judge, so it was the lawyer, not the judge initiating this conversation. did not mention trump by name in this conversation, although the lawyer says we weren't talking about the mets, but it also seems that the lawyer gave him his $0.02 on why like a large judgment would actually be bad for business. and clearly, the judge didn't take that advice so is there really a lot of standing here for what trump's lawyers are saying we're not oh, can you hear us? is he absorbing? he's observing taking a moment it was black and in fairness. >> all right. we're going to, we're going to try to reestablish that and we'll talk a little bit about it, but it is really interesting as you were going to get him just bear with us as we sort of a chat about this, but it is interesting. i'll renato, can you hear us i can. okay. great. did you hear my question at all i did not. >> all right. oh, okay. i'm just going to ask you this does this does this do trump's lawyers have standing because when you dig into this, you find out the lawyer actually initiated the conversation. >> trump wasn't mentioned by name and the lawyer appeared to give him the judge advice that he doesn't seem to have taken yeah. >> i think that's an interesting question it's certainly it certainly suggests that he may not. that'll really i would say depend on the specifics of the situation. >> yeah. let's look at what was actually said in the nbc interview. it reads, quote bailey said he explained to the judge that a fraud statute at issue in the case was not intended to be used to shut down a major company especially in a case without clear victims. he said such a ruling would hurt new york's economy. that was very similar to the arguments that we heard 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