straight from the source tonight, we're learning new details about how biden and trump are prepping will go behind closed doors, but former white house insiders, the pod save america crew on what to expect when you're expecting a debate for the ages and it was one of the largest breaches of classified material in the united states history. >> tonight, julian assange, after five years and a high security prison in london is cutting deal to avoid any us prison time. were also digging into one of the most expensive house races that we have ever seen. it's also dividing the democratic party a member of the so-called squad and a fight for his political life. >> do all bowman's primary challenger is here with me tonight i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source tonight. we're just three days away from a debate. unlike anything thing that we have ever seen, what you'll watch thursday night right here on cnn will be unique in american politics. right now, president biden is clustered in the cone of silence known as camp david. the new york times reports that a movie theater and an airplane hangar there have been turned into a makeshift debate stage with lights and all the president has been preparing for five days now, more than a dozen staffers and toe all too aware of the rust that often plagues incumbent presidents in their first debate. in a moment, we've got some insiders who know all about that phenomenon. just ask them what happened in denver in october 2012? meanwhile, the supreme court has just thrown a potential wrinkle in the mix for 2024. the high court is adding two more days to its calendar this thursday and this friday. in addition to the already scheduled decision day on wednesday, that means there's a real possibility that the decision on donald trump's immunity claims could come just hours before he and biden both take the stage. as for his prep, trump is also shaking up his usual usual schedule. normally, he's never in south florida this time a year when it's hot and slow and most of his friends are bedminster. but that's where he and his team find themselves tonight, a more secluded place. as he says that podcast or the best way to prepare preparing by taking questions from you and others if you think about it, we had a great meeting just now and philadelphia with the at the shop you saw that with all the wonderful people. >> so, but i'm preparing by dealing with you. your tougher that all or told them biden's team is preparing to encounter potentially and highlight on potentially they are a very disciplined donald trump on the debate stage of course, that would stand in stark contrast to what we saw four years ago, or even what we're seeing on the campaign trail now how should i handle him? should i be tough and nasty? or should i be should i be she said, should i be toughened? asd and just say you're the worst president in history or should i be nice and calm? and let him speak biden's team believes that trump's campaign is more restrained while trump himself is crowdsourcing his debate strategy, which is at least a shift from what he was just saying. maybe i'm better off losing the debate. i'll make sure he says, i'll lose the debate on purpose. maybe i'll do something like that now it's important to remember. >> it was just a month ago that trump was posting on social media calling biden the worst debater that he'd ever faced. and also telling his crowds this i really think he has to debate. >> he might as well get it over with. probably should do it early so that he can he's not gonna get any better. you can walk can find his way off the stage, can put two sentences together. >> okay. but now he's arguing this one. >> i'm not underestimating him. i'm not underestimating him. i assume he's going to be somebody that will be a worthy debater. i say he'll come out all jacked up if you're confused to try being one of trump's surrogates, trying to set expectations. on national television the truth of the matter is, is that joe biden is not the man he was four years ago or eight years ago. >> everybody knows this. and so what they're trying to do is lie dissemble, and cover up for the fact that joe biden cannot go on the campaign trail like donald trump is doing right now. he has to be in camp david for 78 days to prepare himself to be in a 90 minute debate with donald trump. that does not bode well for a man who says he wants four more years, we have to look at the guise run for office more than a dozen times. he's run for president four times. he's been campaigning since president nixon was in office. this guy has got the ability and we've seen it. we've seen him in debate four years ago. we've seen him in the state. of the state of the union this year, that when he needs to, he can step up my leaves sources tonight on this or former obama white house staffers and also the host of pod save america, tommy ventura, john fav row and john love it. they're also the authors of the new book democracy or else how to save america and ten easy steps we'll see how easy it is. we'll talk about that in a moment, but i mean, it's for this debate prep. we're told that tonight president biden is having lasagna and preparing. i don't know. it's an interesting real choice, but, but what, what does this look like to prep a precedent for debate well, it didn't go so well for us. >> and in 2012 with the first debate, but state, but usually what you're trying to do is like not give the president too much information and you're trying to just give him a few goals that he wants to achieve out on the debate stage. and so there's a few contrasts you want them to hit usually, there's some zingers that are written, but i think without an audience, singers aren't as effective this time around so you're trying to an end a lot of mock debates two so usually i'll have someone playing the opponent in this case, donald trump. and you'll just go a couple of rounds and have like full debate, debate prep sessions that just look like an entire debate someone plays the moderator and then for the town hall debate, you'll have different staffers in questions. and so it looks exactly like a real debate yeah. they went through a fair number of shelter dogs to find the right one to play trump were on television really i mean, it is it is a good question of how to prepare to debate donald trump because it's, it's not just, you know, when you are preparing obama to debate mitt romney, it's focusing on the policy and those details. >> trump is kind of the the zynga or person who, when hillary clinton was saying something about being president, he said well viewer, if i was president, you'd be in jail moments like that, that stand out from the debate. >> how do you counter that? >> i think i think like what kind of donald trump shows up, i think is one of the biggest questions because he's out there in front of his biggest weirdness fans and he's like, should i be nice or should i be mean and they want him to be mean and he wants to give them what they want. but you know, his campaign is hoping that that donald trump doesn't make it a show about how extreme and dangerous donald trump is. and the format which a lot of people are saying, oh, you know, it's going, they're going to shut off trump's mike hahaha. we're going to shut up trump's mike. it might be conducive to like keeping that kind of trump and check. the only i think the other side of it is five minutes into a debate. donald trump's going to forget any kind of prep and then he's gonna go all instinct and that he's going to these not gonna be able to stop himself, but he often plays to the crowd. he's in front of. i mean, he often is very different when he's in a more muted setting. if he doesn't have that audience, there the assumption is it'll hurt trump, but that so could be a benefit and i how does the biden campaign prepare for something like that? if trump is more restrained? yeah. i mean, i think you have to prepare for the worst, which is donald trump saying absolutely vicious personal things about your son, your family, your finances, right? >> like you live fire drill where you as a staffer have to say to the present united states, all the worst things you can imagine donald trump will say and then you also have to prepare for a more measured steady trump and how you sort of perry that, but also try to bring out from him all the things that people like the least, you want to bring out, donald trump, the twitter feed, and not let him pretend to be statesmen for 90 minutes. >> yeah. you mentioned that moment with obama and romney from that baden obviously it was in 2012, just to remind people, this is a moment from that first debate in denver is the program so critical, it's worth borrowing money from china to pay for it. and if not, i'll get rid of it. obamacare's on my list. i apologize, mr. president i use that term with all respect. i like good okay. good. so i'll get rid of that. >> and you see a major difference between the two of you on social security i suspect that on social security, we've got a somewhat similar position i mean, i imagine that last day. >> was that your idea is i said pause, stutter a little bit. >> yeah. now, but you don't the other reported this is incumbent presidents. they're kind of insulated there on your force. one during the oval office, they don't face a lot of one-on-one combat like when you walk in the room. yeah. this solute you, they're not used to be thank challenge, but also they are naturally defensive about their record because they've been president four years. they think they've accomplished a lot. and so when you're challenged about that you go on the defense, you start being defensive and i think that for biden, he just has to be careful, like is not about defending his record. donald trump wants to go in there and wants to make it a referendum on biden, whether he is disappointed donald trump, whether he's crazy, donald trump, he wants to make it a referendum. biden no matter which donald trump shows up, he wants to make the election a choice, and he wants to paint a picture for people about what life is going to be like under four more years of joe biden versus former years of donald trump. so there's one thing that joe biden has to do in that debate. it's to make sure people leave the debate thinking joe biden to someone who cares about the american people and donald trump is someone who cares about himself. so every answer, so it has to funnel into that larger. >> and what about age? i mean, obviously both of these candidates are up there and we're going to watch both of them on stage for 90 minutes only with 2-breaks none other teams can come and talk to them or giving them advice or pump them up halfway through yes. >> they're both quite old i don't know if you're done the mouth of the numbers are 78, 81 yes by nothing question about his age. >> i think voters are, as we've seen from polling, more concerned about joe biden's age in his readiness to be president. i personally am not concerned about his ability to do the job. i do wish he were 20 years younger so that we weren't having this conversation. so i think he's got to step up their and show the joe biden that we saw the state of union who is punchy, was giving and taking and like just seen ready to do it. >> yeah. can we talk about the book? because it's actually incredibly timely democracy or al tawam to save america and ten easy steps, i think people are wondering if it's really that easy to do that. but you talked a lot about the cynicism that so many people feel they're going to feel that when they see these two, these two candidates that a majority of americans don't actually want to be voting for. but, but obviously we'll be dealing with. >> so one of the reasons we wanted to write the book is in part because we know that people are really cynical about politics. and i have a lot of very good reasons to be cynical about politics. but one of the things that we've learned in eight years of doing this show is how rewarding it can be when you step outside of your phone, you've stopped just seeing what's going on on your screen and you gotta get out there and talk to people, meet people, knock on doors. volunteer may calls because you remember that campaigns ultimately, it's not really about joe biden and donald trump yes, they are they they are what the narratives are about there, what the tv coverage is about there, who we vote for, but ultimately, the stakes are about what happens to us. and we have a lot of set, we have a lot of say in what happens in this system. and reminding people of their agency when there's so much media and noise and cynicism to get people to feel otherwise is a valuable project and it is especially important when people maybe wish the candidates couldn't remember the bay of pigs were alive for it and what does that look like when, you know, when you talk to to voters though, i mean, this is kind of what you all do. you're on the road a lot, you're interacting with people who i imagined come to you with a lot of questions of how do i get involved? what does this really look like? it is there even any chance to make a difference if you're just a regular person? yeah. i mean, there's gonna be a lot of nervous democrats watching the debate on thursday. so you ever certain rating, right? yeah. >> republicans two and thing is like we can't control how joe biden doesn't the debate. we can control the outcome of the election because the last election was only one by 40,000 votes across three states. and the electoral college. so it was really close and the upside of a closely divided electorate is that everything you do has a bigger impact. so what we always tell people whether you are volunteering for presidential election, a state election, a local election in your community, like the impact you have as one person can make all the difference because when winning elections are decided by a couple of hundred votes, couple of thousand votes, like every door you knock matters, every text you send matters and not only is it is it impactful, but it gives you the sense of agency that you're actually, you can control what other people do by persuading them to get out and vote because elections matter and they have a big impact on people's lives. >> yeah. and you'll talk to a lot of notable figures for this book is stacey abrams, alexandria ocasio-cortez, just a few on advice and what to look for. i mean, if someone they're looking at these candidates and a lot of people i think urine for younger candidates, different kind of candidates were watching this primary race in new york right now, that's one of those too expensive ever. i mean, what kind of candidates do, do people often ask you about? >> i mean, i think great candidates are people who are authentic to themselves and have a story that informs who they are our and their values and what they're fighting for, and to have a policy proposal that that that goes along with it, right. like someone like aoc, someone like stacey abrams, they just bleed authenticity like you believe them when they talk, they seem like real people. aoc was bartending not long ago before she was a member of congress. i think people that seem connected to the community he's a represent, those are the strongest candidates. >> yeah. what's your last piece of advice for anyone who's, who's watching this and interested in. maybe it's going to be thinking about this on thursday night i would say by the book, that'd be the first thing. and then also like don't give me a hard time about the shelter dog thing. like i didn't really mean it. i like shelter dogs. that was sort of antagonistic towards shelter dogs and i don't wanna go down for that there are so many more important things. >> shelter dogs on this book, pitch, love it but it is. >> here's, here's all say about the book is that where do i look? >> very funny. it's actually surprisingly funny. we worked really hard on it and all the prof, proceeds from the book, the province on the book go to vote save america, which is an organization that is helping to do everything we can to protect democracy on the ground and other groups that are doing good work. so we're not even, we're not even this isn't even a profit motive for us for the love of the game. >> maybe i'm for the dogs, for the dog. yeah. like i'll just get off my about it. i'll do donation to the shelter dogs, some things that adoption center or something, i hope biden wins. oh, i just hope you when jail. that note. thank you all for being here. dot during john fabra geld. love it great to have you coming up. donald jones says his vice presidential pick is likely going to be at thursday's debate. it might be one of these guys there was no we're going to allow a con artist to take over the conservative movement and donald trump is a con artists, just think that it's important that you're judged by the company you keep i wouldn't do business with him. >> no, i wouldn't i'm never trump guy. >> i never liked him all former critics of trump, all now vying to be his vice president. >> and also after a five-year stint in a high high-security prison in london for his alleged role. one of the largest us government breaches of classified material, dueling assigned just now i'll set to walk free. we have the details ahead thursday night. >> my from midland. the most anticipated moment of this election. fight is on america because that's where we are a nation of possibility, trump. >> we had the best economy, we had the best border, we had the best of everything, and now we get to do it all over again. >> we're gonna do but even better, two very different visions for america. one unprecedented night moderated by jake tapper and dana bash the cnn presidential debate thursday night at nine live on cnn and streaming and backs 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specifically? well, i think we have to just look at the fact that president trump can win this race regardless of who is vice president is, what is it specifically? why should you pick you basically? >> well, i think that's that's dropped. president trump. president trump understands the criteria that he wants. he's going to make that choice at the tiny makes so do you think that your best position to serve on his ticket? >> i think that question is up to president trump what we decided when we decide is watching right now, what's your argument to him, i guess, for why you would be a good choice. >> well, that could be if that's a conversation being president trump and myself let's bring in former white house communications director alyssa farah griffin, republican strategist david pulley and former senior adviser to president obama, david axelrod. david, you're laughing while watching that yeah. >> well, i think he's mastered the one quality that trump will appreciate, which is deference whatever the president says. i mean, but i understand it is a difficult is unseemly to sit there and say, here are my great qualities. this is why i would be the best person. now, you may have handled it a little less awkwardly, but i don't i don't question his instinct to not want to be a shameless self-promoter. there are plenty of those out there. we know that alyssa, i mean, you obviously worked for the last vice president to trump. what did you make a of burgos pitcher or maybe not my money starting to lean toward burgum and listen, he's in many ways like mike pencil, the higher that worst, he's somebody who's not going to come crossways with trump. >> he is somebody who's steady, hidden can go out, raise money, he can help down ballot ticket candidates on tickets and i think that the former president genuinely likes him from an electoral stand, poor eye standpoint. i think marco rubio is the scariest for the biden harris team that's somebody who could make inroads with latinos, that somebody who i think for sort of trump's skeptical republicans, they trust him, they know him, and that could bring them back into the fold j.d. >> vance, my fear there are my analysis there is i think he could outshine trump. i think he's somebody who has a big persona and there could be real skepticism of having him in the west wing yeah i mean, if he joined the ticket, j.d. >> vance, at least obviously he's quite young. use 39-years-old. he has a lot of road to go. and so i think you would pence even set up a pack what he was inside the white house, and that was a whole thing. you know what happier story in the news cycle well, look, i think we're at a different place and we were on certainly two months ago with the president and the choice that he can make when you look at the seven battleground states, he's leading on average in real clerical ticks in some cases comfortably i've out of seven, and the other two he's tied in. and virginia is now in play so minnesota and even new mexico. and when you talk about the cash advantage or disadvantage that we formally faced a marco rubio might have been a cleaner pick two months ago, but right now, if you looked at the combined authorized committees, the trump team has 2359 willing at their disposal compared to 212 for joe biden and the democrats. so the politics or in trump's favor right now. and so as a cash advantage, so i think he gets to actually make the pick of whom he'd be comfortable with rather than who politically are financially my get them there. yeah. which is what burden was arguing and but obviously it's going to fundraising thursday night is gonna be a huge night for both of these candidates when you you're watching this, david, is there room is it going to change the race substantially what we see on thursday night potential it's a really good question. i mean, if if if one candidate completely craters and in the case of biden, that would be performing poorly, reinforcing concerns about his age in the case of trump is if he had a repeat of what happened four years ago in that first debate, i think that would be bad for him. i'm sure in some ways his team is happy to have mics muted and no audience because maybe that will enforce some control. the question about biden is whether you can control events. the question about trump is whether he can control himself but if they each do what they need to do. and now they're trying to raise the expectations for biden, but there's spent years setting them and to the point where if he comes and goes under his own power, he is cleared the bar. >> that's a great point because it trump has been two years, years, four years saying that biden can't put two sentences together. he has changed his tack in the last several days. is bucaram. he told me yesterday, they'd kinda set the standards so lobes essentially inhale and what illicit when you're looking at that. now, trump is saying on truth, social that binds to do a drug tests before the debate i remember it's like in 2020 when you were saying biden was going to be wearing an earpiece. i mean, he uses these things as a distraction technique from the actual debate itself, correct. >> and it's to have a way to argue on the other side, it was rigged. that's the same reason you have his spokespeople going after the moderators and criticizing them. but it also remind folks in 2020, donald trump lied about his coat the tests, those of us in the white house working very closely with him, did not know that he tested positive just days before an appeared on the debate stage. so it's rich now that he's saying joe biden has something to hide and isn't being forthright with the american public. but listen, i think it's high stakes for both of them. i think donald trump has to prove the competency and the ability to get through it and be steady and not go crazy, not lean into the rage retribution, and for biden the issue of age that is baked in, he needs to show he can do it. >> but the question is, this race has basically a yes. they're biden's some fluctuations, but the race has been actually pretty stable for a very long time. one of the questions is, can one of them blast? through that and create some movement? and i'm not at all sure your tomato to probably the best known candidates for president. we've ever had two incumbents running against each or one at former and coming people know them i think it's tough to move the needle, but you have to pass the test. >> i'm not sure trump feels he needs to move the needle right? right now. i think i think thursday night is incredibly important for the president because if he starts off on the wrong foot heading into the fall, i don't know that he can recover. >> i would say if the president surprises on the highest side, that is a problem for trump. i've had that would concern me if i were trumping one question is if trump realizes is in the midst of this debate that gc is actually doing pretty well. does he become more aggressive? that's what happened in the second debate last. >> well, in this could very well be one of the biggest stages that they have until the next debates, not until the end of september. if it happens, it happens if it happens, no one knows early voting will be underway and so it is a moment for both of them to see them side-by-side in a way that no one has had for years, right? in the biden team i think with smart to agree to this earlier to be and to push for an earlier one because they're wanting to create the real general election rush right now. they don't want to wait until three months out when we know most voters actually make up their minds. so drawing out that contract that's reminding people why they vote, did not vote for donald trump in 2020. but it could cut both ways. i've been with donald trump and seen him performed for 90 minutes and able to stay on roughly on message, not say crazy things largely has no have his rap his head wrapped around policy. there's a world in which we see that i think this format does benefit him. he doesn't have an audience that makes him want to be bombastic and loud. >> but we'll see, yeah. i mean, his rallies are 90 minutes on day. >> if he shows up with the rally speech, though, and he's speaking about immigrants poisoning the blood and the greatest hits. >> no, that's not work if provoked. >> how does he respond at some point, does he just kinda just something trip his wire and the convictions january there's a lot that's why they've been running an ad for week-and-a-half featuring his the felony conviction. >> i think they want to get in your head. >> we will see if they do on thursday night, alyssa farah griffin, david boolean, ski, and david ox or i. thank you all in the lead up to that debate, i should note house speaker mike johnson is going to join me live here on the boris two our knife. you don't want to miss that. that's gonna be at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. but first up next 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his party. >> he's in vocal and his opposition to how israel's conducting its war in gaza. >> he was one of the first to call for a ceasefire. had to apologize and walk back statements saying it was propaganda about the rape and sexual assault that happened on october 7. and he also made this accusation about his opponent over the weekend not giga stand silent touch dollars kills babies women, and children supports asam a challenger that he's referencing. there is george latimer, a former state lawmaker now serving is a county executive and the district. both candidates have big names backing them. bowman for his part, has been endorsed by big progressives like senator bernie sanders, congresswoman and alexandra ocasio cortez. lot of moral another hand endorsed by hillary clinton, and another new york congressman monday or jones. my source tonight is george latimer and i do want to note we've also extended an invite for congress and bove and here on the source that's still stands, but, but it's great to have you here, mr. latimer and first off, i do want to get your reaction to that accusation that was loved there that you are supporting a genocide in gaza. >> caitlin, i think this is part of the rhetoric that the incumbent and those who support him believe those of us. and i think i'm in the mainstream of the democratic party, the house members of the democratic party, hakeem jeffries, that what we see as a path to peace includes hamas giving up hostages as part of any arrangement to cease violence and then also provide humanitarian aid. only until recently, did the incumbent talk about the releasing of hostages. so because we want to see people who were kidnapped, released, and we're not pair to have the ceasefire immediately. he calls that support of genocide. i think the majority of the american people don't see it that way. it is a volatile situation. their innocence dying. hamas is just as guilty of a bad behavior because i believe they put their civilians in the line of fire on purpose. to try to create this environment. so i think there's much both sides have to discuss. >> you said the majority of americans don't believe it's a genocide, do you not believe is genocide either? i do not believe is genocide, even though the international court of justice said it is plausible that international court of justice may have their opinions based on their politics and their ideologies when i'm watching is respond to a horrific act, no different than the way we responded tonight, 11 or perhaps pearl harbor should we continue to see that type of violence happened? no, i'd like to see the violence cease, but it ceases when hamas agrees to give up the hostages or the remains of the hostages on that basis, then you can plausibly expect it to be a stopping of the violence. and then humanitarian agency, you support a ceasefire, but only if the hostages are released, let me ask about this race. those specifically because we talk a lot more money has been spent here than any house primary race ever in the united states. and that's remarkable given of course, what this you've said this race focuses on local issues that matter to westchester into the bronx. but listen to what senator bernie sanders said when he was here on saturday is one of the oldest sort of boiling a modern history of america. it really is because this whole action is not about june ball versus saliva this is but whether or not the class box will control de-anonymized, say i mean, given aipac has spent almost $15 million backing you in this race, do you worry that voters will see it? how bernie sanders does? >> well, i don't think they do because i'm the person that's been on the ground talking to voters in the district would vote orders in the district talk about are the bread and butter needs. they talk about the affordability of the leinz to talk about jobs and transportation, and climate change senator sanders has long railed against oligarchs and the structure of government. here's the important thing, caitlin, in terms of dollars and cents, my opponent has made much of the support that i have over 50% of my financial support comes from people in the district. those people may be affiliated with a pack or they may be involved in other jewish causes, but they're donating because of his radical point of view regarding israel. that's why they're donating. it's important to note that 90% of his money comes from outside the district, from places in california and other parts of the country tree, where people who aren't living in the district wants to see a congressman like kim represent well, you were criticized for saying that he had a constituency in dearborn, michigan which has a largely a large arab population. people were saying that those were racist comments do stand by what you initially said. well, let me let me get the quote right. >> what i said at the time was he has raised money from, places like san francisco and dearborn, michigan. that's accurate fact, because what he did is create a joint fundraising organization with representative to leave who is based in dearborn, michigan. so it's not the city of dearborn. it's that representative taleb's from there. she's been raising money. i think she transferred a half $1 million in part to him so the question is, when someone looks at where's the money coming from? who are the sources that are driving your policy? the incumbent is getting his money from outside the district from a host of these different sources that aren't even do a little salt that way, given obviously dearborn is so prominent and i think it's larger, but i think what you had is my opponent wanted to misrepresent what i said once you've misrepresented to make it sound like i'm picking on a municipality with an ethnicity as opposed to his commitment to join fundraise with representative telly? that's what i actually said. the spin and that's where we deal with so many times in these campaigns that one side wants to spin something as specific way. i know the quote that i said, it's on tape, so you stand try that that comment. >> when you look at this race. i mean, if he loses jamaal bowman, he would be the first member of the squad who is not returned to office by by his constituents. what does that say about your party and what democratic voters want to see if that happened. >> i think what it says is that jamaal bowman got out of step with the district. he stopped working the needs of the district. he stopped caring about every one of the municipalities and the resonance there because there's a certain amount of national image that he seems to care more about, that he's out there as a spokesperson for a point of view rather than representing people who have legitimate needs in the bronx. >> i don't think it's a referendum on progressive politics of your party. >> well, let me just say this, caitlin, i know this is probably below the level of interests for most of your viewers when i've done and running westchester county is extremely progressive. we've done a host of things. we passed a clinic access law for county government. we've passed access to council for indigent people, a host of things like that, that markers as the most progressive county in new york state. the positioning of this race as a progressive against an establishment conservative is inaccurate. it works because the demographics appear to be that, but not on the ground of what he's willing to raise money on wealthy people are you? i'm, i'm prepared raise taxes. i'm prepared to raise taxes when we have a budget that shows where the tax money is going to go for it, then it makes sense that's what i've done is a local official. i don't go into a budgetary process. is a county executive or state legislation raise taxes. i'm here to try to find the resources we need to do the programs we need. and i think most people feel that way, certainly in the district, they don't want to just see is raise taxes. they want to see his solve problems. if i can show you that what i'm doing is protecting social security protecting medicare for the long term, then that makes sense. but just to generically say, i just want to raise taxes. i think that's an ideological statement, not a practical statement. >> mr. latimer, your racist more night. we'll be watching very closely. thank you for joining token. >> been great to have you also up next we have breaking news tonight on the wikileaks founder julian assange ward of a guilty plea, allowing him to walk free, will tell you the condition the final episode of violent. they're deadly by lynch and aliche masters can impacts are worsening. >> is it too late to undo decades of climate change? violin, earth, would we have schreiber sunday at nine on cnn three body serie a city client uses city's financial expertise to help drive its growth and keep its supply chain moving. some more pet parents can get everything they need, right when they need it 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huge step down. andrew mccabe from the 18th charges, the potential hundred and 75 year prison sentence that he was facing what do you make of the terms that prosecutors have come to with julian assange yeah. >> you're right, caitlin, it's a big it's a far cry from the charges that were brought against him, but i think it's the right call at this point in this saga and don't get me wrong. >> i think that the process, the charges and the indictment of the prosecution of julian assange is entirely appropriate julian assange was indicted by a grand jury in the eastern district of virginia grand jury, who listened to the entire investigation and determined there is probable cause. some believe he committed a crime. >> it's easy to see how they concluded that because the facts here are not in dispute. >> he did. what? losses you cannot do. elicited that information. he published that information, gave it to people who aren't entitled to receive it but at this point, we are many, many, many years into this prosecution. >> and i think the fact that continuing to try to extradite him to bring him here to hear those charges to face those charges board really raises significant questions concerns about what sort of precedent that result might have on legitimate journalistic activity. well, i mean, it's notable to hear you say that obviously his team argued that he should be protected by the same walls, internalised, or that he was releasing sensitive information. but in the public lake's interest in so he's been alternatively, celebrated and buy some and reviled by others until it is striking for me to hear you, given your former position is the deputy fbi director to say you think this is the right call? >> i do think it's the right call and don't get don't get me wrong. i think julian assange did the wrong thing. julian assange hurt the united states government he put the lives of our troops in danger. he put the lives particularly of iraqi citizens who had helped are our effort in the war in iraq in danger. so scott did a lot of bad things. but what he did, some of what he did was very similar to the way that journalists conduct their business. of course, in other ways, very different, right? there wasn't any of those conversations prior to publication that journalists typically have when they're going to reveal classified and sensitive information to find out what reach out to the government kennedy involved to find, let them seek comment and then have a conversation, give the government and opportunity to say, hey, please don't do this because these people might die as a result. so very big differences there. but the fact is that going forward with this prosecution would run the risk of putting all of those processes and those protections up for grabs and that could set a very dangerous precedent going forward and have a chilling effect on the journalistic news gathering process and how that impacts the first amendment. >> yeah, andrew mackay, 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it's been eight months since you and i spoke at your home. we talked about what this meant. you watched the coverage every night of the first hostage agreement how you're worried about your dad getting his medicine. i imagine that's only amplified this many months thinking, now, we don't think about the medicine. we think about his life. you think if even alive, still alive, because you didn't get his medicines, we know that and we know nothing about him for 200 days. so well, in square one, when this happened, did you could you ever imagined that you'd be here in june and still not have seen your dad i was sure it will end when they're first hostages were released we're sure a deal. another de will come in a month weeks not nine miles, and we don't see a deal coming. so i i i can't believe it's forming still october 7 it's still october 7 for you i'm always spoken. your dad, mr. son's bar mitzvah. >> yeah which is obviously associated joys time. >> grandparents should be there, but that he he couldn't be there for it for obvious reasons yeah, it's it's it's it's we have we have certain grandchildren. >> it it is the only boy. so it's the only bar permits for of his grandchildren. so but for now, we don't worry about these things. laurie four, if if he's alive he's job hope that is alive. i have to i have to otherwise i couldn't go anywhere. and couldn't do anything when you hear the prime minister say that he's open to maybe having some of the hostages released, but not all. is that acceptable to you? it's not acceptable that people will stay there, but we need to do everything to bring some of them home. as soon as possible. and i really don't believe that hamas will we'll do any deal from the two dna. so i think it's tried to be realistic, but he can it can speculate death. not to us netanyahu. >> yeah. what do you do you feel like he's doing everything he can help. what's your view of how number of political perspective. but this is your dad yeah. >> do you feel like they're doing everything they can to get your dad and bring them home. >> i'm i feel that doing now a lot, but i'm sure now that they missed opportunities to bring them home and i'm sure the word is missing opportunities because i think that even the mediators now it's looked like they taken a step back instead of pushing two when the deal is on the table it's looked at external step back and again speak about humanitarian aid and not about a deal what's it like for you to come here? you're in the united states, you and i spoke when when i was in tel aviv and to see what we saw over the weekend that the anti-semitic protests blocking jewish people from being able to go in and worship and those protests that turned violent in los angeles i really hope that the american people will understand that they're in back in their backyard what happened in israel? i've been in the united states and britain everywhere because they don't want to stop with us so i hope between make everybody awake if you could say one thing, do your data right now, what would it be waiting for him at home? you have to come back hopefully the next time you're back, we are talking about him coming back. thank you for coming back and joining me tonight. thank you. and we'll continue to bring attention to his story. >> thank you very
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