>> thank you. thank you so much for joining us. >> sienna news night with abby. phillip starts now the president who says he build back better, is being advised to keep whatever is minds off of what's behind. >> that's tonight on newsnight good evening i'm abby phillip in new york and tonight, joe biden and donald trump, they are 72 hours away from when they're due on that stage and atlanta with jake tapper and dana bash. this week's cnn's debate, maybe the moment that defines this entire campaign, it is the earliest such debate in modern history. three and tonight sources are telling cnn that the president has now been told by his advisors to shy away from talking too much about what he's done for the bulk of the last three years washington post suggested republicans may have to find something else to criticize me for. now that inflation is coming down maybe low losartan and peace me because it's coming down. >> i don't know i love that one anyway, notice juror you'll also see a clear change of tactic in donald trump. he is now consistently warning that joe would that the joe biden that shows up on thursday is going to look a lot livelier and the mentally in decline. joe biden, that he's i've been talking about for the better part of a year. but there is a reason unfounded and fact-free. we should add that trump is citing over and over again this brings us to the legend of jacked up joe as a doctor. >> you know, what sort of cocktail could they put together for him in this debate? i think there probably trying to find just the right mix of stuff that can it can wake him up and make him a little bit more alert and a little bit more with it. >> if you wanted to get at somebody like 81-year-old joe biden hopped up before an appearance like the debate next thursday. what would you give him? what could you give him? >> i think it is conceivable and probably more likely than not that at some point they're giving the president some sort of a stimulant i don't know if it was red bull bought. >> i don't know if it was caffeine pills whatever it was. i would expect fully that in ten days we will see the re-emergence of jacked up joe i would think about something along the lines of an add drug adderall, ritalin, any amphetamine derivative which in short terms, if you give this to somebody in short-term, it will make them more animated. his heart rate was up, his eyes were bulging, his speech was fast, his behavior was weird kinda like a kid who had coffee for the first time, then you have a doddering, dishonest machine. politician propped up by drugs and propped up by an old-fashioned organization is obviously he's being helped some way because most of the time it looks like he's falling asleep and all of a sudden he walked up there and did a poor job. but he was all jacked up joining me tonight. scott jennings bacardi sellers and anna navarro scott, god forbid. joe biden have a cup of coffee. he might be jacked up on something. i mean, it is also the ultimate and sort of changing the goalposts here yeah this has been like a running joke on the right since it's the state of the union when the president came out and was super aggressive and yelling and so on and so forth. so i don't know i'm not qualified to tell you what he's going to drink or not drink before he takes the debate stage at 9:00. if it were me i'd probably have a diet coke, you know somebody is going to have a diet coke and i'm not sure it's going to be by the way, i mean, you talked about how this was the state of the union. they didn't do this, but i was looking back. they were doing this. donald trump was doing this back in 2020. at that debate, he was claiming the joe biden had taken drugs i mean, i don't know. >> i don't know what i don't know what to say about that it sounds like they're worried is what i'm trying to oh, i look here's a reality. >> joe biden it's been in or running for public office for over 50 years he's probably there's no person on planet earth alive. that's participated in more political debates of some kind. and joe biden, he's the most experienced debater on the planet. trump's been in a few, but not nearly as many as biden. he is a president, which means he's dealing with issues every day is getting briefings from advised everyday. he'll be ready. i mean, i have no doubt he is going to be ready on thursday night that there is what we call moving the goalposts okay. what did i say it was false. nothing. nothing that you said. but what i'm saying is the moving of the goalposts when everybody would anybody says that that's just contradictory to the talking points my republican friends have been saying for the past year or two because they've called joe biden everything. they've said he's infirmed. they said he has tennis balls on his walker. they say he has to go two bid at 4:00 after he eats his denise. i mean, this is what they've called this man. and now all of a sudden there are here saying that he is god's gift to debating, like you he was a part of the debate club at harvard like this they are moving the goalposts, but right now let's he was part of the debate club and the roman senate. i'm i get along maybe only point at harvard norris, the romans. now moving the goal post and what happens is most americans say that if joe biden comes out then performs, if he just clears the low bar that they have been joe biden will win the debate listen. >> i have heard in the last few months, i have heard trump and trump world first say that he's decrepit, that he can't stand for 90 minutes, that he's not gonna make it through the debate, that he's lost, that he can't find his space. >> i mean, all these things, then that he's backed up on, god knows what, they don't know. i mean, donald trump has gone so far as to talk about cocaine they that he is the best debater. he wipe the floor with paul, ryan and today the latest was to say that the moderators were rigged. what does donald trump do every time? he sets the stage so that if he doesn't do well, so that if he loses, he can blame it on something. and this is if there's something predictable about donald trump, it is that joe biden as being who joe biden is. discipline studios, getting ready doing mock debate. donald trump is being with donald trump always is crazy so, okay a character that i did not expect to show up this week is dan. >> dan quayle, former vice president, but he has some advice for joe biden. he says, if i were advising biden, i tried to make fun of trump, tried to ridicule him that'll get mad yeah, i think for i think for both of them trying to needle the other one on something that they know. >> will get under their skin or that they'll get emotional about that then gets you thinking about everything. but your game plan. so i think both of them actually are going to come armed with one or two things that they know is gonna go cut a deep cut right to the core of what would make what cuts trump right to the core is to call him a loser that he can stand. and what cuts joe biden is hunter biden? >> yeah. and i think they need to prepare joe biden for that. joan is to come prepared for that because let's remember what donald trump did with hillary clinton. he showed up with women who had had relationships or alleged relationships with there is nowhere this man won't go. and i hope that that i hope that if he tries there and goes there, joe biden swats him like a fly, reminds him that he two lost a brother too. for diction, that his family has been touched by this to as many american families have, and to take his son's mouth, some name out of his mouth. >> so the reporting from cnn tonight is that biden's advisers are saying to him, don't focus on bragging about your accomplishments, focus on trump's character, are focused on on the legal peril that he's in. good advice, bad advice. now that's great advice. i think that a lot of times joe biden gets caught up in the nostalgia of yesteryear, and he does that quite a bit in the last three years though. that's not a no, but i mean, but i think that there is a slippery that's a slippery slope and i think that a lot of people in this election want to hear in both of these candidates have to do a better job when articulating what the future would look like. one is at one and donald trump is 70. 78. and so they, they sometimes become a prisoner of their age and they have to be willing to lay out ideals for the future. i was really surprised to hear that dan quayle had good advice for somebody because that actually was good advice what? what's l what he knows, what it's like to receiving, what i would say, what i would tell joe biden is say, look, you have to needle donald trump. it's okay to call him a convicted felon to look at him directly in the face and say that convicted felon and then you make a joke and say, was it 33, 333430? how many felonies wasn't then you have to pivot to the future. yeah. but doesn't have to actually sell his current presidency. the one that he is, there's no question that he's going to look like he's going to have to answer questions from jake tapper, from dana bash. she's going to have to answer questions about inflation. he's going to have to answer questions about the afghanistan withdrawal. he's going to have to answer questions about gaza and yes, you have to be able to be responsive. constable for your record. but there are so many people out here. the people who you can move want to hear about what the vision for this future. minute debate. i don't understand why people think is going to be just one thing or another. of course, he's got a brag about the things he's done. he's gotten a lot of very significant accomplishments. the most remember but in a very difficult congress, but he also has to look forward and say, this is why i need four more years. i think i'm a coil because everything that joe biden has done in his presidency up to this moment has delivered him roughly a 38% approval rating. so if he spends all night long talking about how he got to this moment time, that would be a lot. so i agree. i think i think looking forward, what could you do for the next four years, but really for this reason, people don't think he's up to being president for not yet been described some plausible future that you could actually be part those talking points were good two weeks ago because what we just saw from the proxy games, curry, i mean, i think you're fine. we are agreeing. i'm just rejecting, his premise because we agree on it. like three to the fact is he does have a 38% approval rating, but latest polls we've seen the fox news poll, donald joe biden is not winning this election. he's winning in michigan. he's winning wisconsin. and so even with that approval rating, he still has winning this race, right? right now, is walk into this debate. you think that joe biden is currently clearly winning this race. if nobody said clearly varies right over there areas literally same feet away from you want to take a tour of the map well, i'll take quite a a close race which is why does the bay is so very, very important tight since, since we conjured up harry enten, our senior data reporter is here. >> harry, tell us about the great unknowns about this debate on thursday. i wish i was over at that table for more fun than being alone at this wall. >> but anyway, all right, the great debate on knowns, we got four of them and we'll kind of go through them quickly or how rusty will these candidates be? we're dealing with record all candidates and neither from debated during the primary season. that is the first time that that has ever happened where neither candidate debated during the primary season, usually at least one, if not two, has done going into a general election debate. so how rusty will they become thursday? we're just going to have to wait and see. all right. how about some other great unknowns heading into this debate, this trump name of vp, he's kinda teased a little bit because if he does, it might be the only thing that we talk about post debate up all of a sudden you have a complete ticket on the republican side, it could cover up for a potential gaff that he in fact mike make maybe if he feels like the debate is going well, he won't actually say anything. all right, that's two unknowns. how about a third unknown? >> which donald trump shows up at the debate on thursday night, or we didn't get that first debate, donald trump from 2020, where he's trying constantly trying to interrupt folks or are we potentially going to get a calmer trump a comma trump two, maybe throw by north whose sole prepping for trump to try and interrupt them at every turn. >> but all of a sudden we got to trump that is dare i say a little bit more presidential. of course, presidential and trump, not necessarily two things that i always go together in a sentence. finally, one other thing i'll note what will be the impact of the fact that this is the earliest debate on record by far, this is happening three months before any prior general election debate. it could make for a maximum effect, right? oftentimes we have these debates and then you see a debate a week later, a vice presidential debate, which basically keeps the sort of bump a candidate. my cap at a minimum. maybe we could have a maximum effect on this one especially considering there are no other debates anytime soon. so this is going to basically take up a chunk of the new cycle, not just this week, not just next week, bug going into july. so a lot of unknowns going in, but it should make for a fun run. hi, kinda like you have a fun panel over there. >> yes, so much to marinate on in which he just gave us. thank you, harry. >> so actually okay. i'm going to just say the thing i thought was maybe one of the most intriguing scenarios is a vp selection on debate day i i don't know what ties this. yeah. i don't know anything. i would bet against it just because traditionally you want to do a whole big rollout of this thing and have it spool out over a few days but obviously there's going to be some of the top contenders in atlanta, as we understand it. and so i guess anything is possible, but it strikes me that if you thought you were winning and you thought you were in a good spot, and what you were doing that night, why would you step on that with some other less and he's going to have these people sucking up to him and competing to be the winner of the apprentice for as long as he possibly can, he rather enjoys it. >> yeah. i don't know how exciting saying that i've chosen i'm being carson can be on a thursday night in atlanta, but i don't think that's going to go over that. >> well, but, you know, if your winning, then it's god's point of view winning the debate. if you won the debate, if you won the night, then why would you do something like that? i think allowed doug burgum in and ben carson to continue to suck up for another one, burgum at up. what did i say? burnham berg what is it? >> doug burgum. >> and what did he say? >> he said, i don't know my thank barnea boy. i don't know all right. >> guys. >> thank you all so much for joining us for that jackpot up next for us, we've got protests erupting nationwide. >> it's the second year here anniversary of roe versus wade being overturned and we've got ashley judd with us about why this anniversary is very personal for her plus the judge and donald trump's documents case gets irritated with jack smith's prosecutors as she seemed skeptical of slopping trump with another gag order. and nancy pelosi he gives her first reaction to the conviction of her husband's attacker including a message to trump's son. and his supporters who thanks they are. well, you know what they are. they're going to be losers in just a few months thursday night live from atlanta. the most anticipated moment of this election biden. >> that's wrong on america isn't future, is that we are a nation of possibility hello trump. we had the best economy we had the best border, we had the best of everything. and now we get to do it all over again. we're gonna do it even better two very different visions for america one unprecedented night moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate thursday night at nine live on cnn and streaming on max. when you're home needs work, where do you go? 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