>> kayleigh: hello, everyone, this is "outnumbered," i'm kayleigh mcenany here with my co- cohost emily compagno. also joining us is martha maccallum, rachel campos duffy and former pennsylvania congressman, patrick murphy. we begin with tonight's battle royal of opposing ideologies, i can hardly wait, it is red state versus blue state showdown featuring florida governor ron desantis and california governor gavin newsom. they are facing off live 9 p.m. eastern on fox news. sean hannity will be moderating the 90-minute debate. some say could be a preview of the 2028 race. the two governors are not running against each other, but been taking shots at each other for months. expect fireworks in their first face-to-face meeting. the "wall street journal" is breaking down key numbers in their respective states, and they are eye-opening. check these out, homelessness cries, california currently leads with staggering 171,000 homeless residents, compare to florida, where there are just under 26,000. now let's move over to this stat. more than 1 million californians, 1 million, have left the state since 2019 and florida gained 737,000 new residents during the same period. florida holds an 11-point lead over california when it comes to fourth grade math test scores despite golden state spending 45% more on k-12 education per year. those are facts. martha, this debate is intriguing on so many level. battle of ideology, more to come on "wall street journal." what are you expecting? >> >> i'm looking forward to seeing this, politically and uch waing the debate style, desantis has really done well in the past several presidential debates, but he's on stage with a group of people. i remember doing a debate with him in florida when he was running for governor against the agriculture andrew putnam. he did well and it was a game changer. i'm curious to see in this one-on-one and every candidate wants this opportunity to not be going against people who you have varying degrees of differences on your same side. he is getting a mini-presidential debate. it will be eye-opening, sean upon do a great job drawing them out. we are struggling over who we are in this country. who are we on education? when you look at numbers you just mentioned, what is clear, california has and taxpayers there and federally have poured money into all of these efforts. they spend more on education, new york in the same boat, results are terrible. florida has a very vibrant and robust program. they are doing better, it is battle of ideas. we talk about issues, immigration, business formation very interesting, california versus florida. i talk to a lot of businessmen and women and they don't want to start a company in california. they want to start a company in places like florida or texas and you see that happening all the time, because tax advantages are there, opportunity is there, they will not get in your way, let you run your business, regulation is lower. we have to look at formation of new businesses. do people wake up and say, i want to start a company and employ people. i look forward to hearing these two on these issues. i will be curious where the economy is concerned. fabulous night to watch. >> kayleigh: absolutely, new business 2.7 million compared to 2.3 million in california. these are facts and statistics, style matters in debate. gavin newsom good on his feet, smooth with his words. you can have the fact pattern, you have to have delivery, that matters, emily. >> emily: that is true, and i think here many feel that governor newsom has a shine to him. but many feel it is sort of a greasy political stain. he can come off poorly. desantis can come off grounded and measured in a leadership way, others see that as paling, there is performance element that will matter. i say that with resignation, staggering facts here are so crucial for viewers to understand, it doesn't matter, it is filth. that is one out of eight resident in florida versus one out of 18 in california. the population surges in florida, it declines in california and yet unemployment rate in california is among highest in tcountry. the list goes on in every facet where california has plummeted in performance and value and florida is thriving. the "wall street journal," they illustrate the scorecard between florida and california say i'll bet you in my own words, newsom will ignore this, deflect and focus on trump and abortion and what will be telling to that degree is the response, the media coverage of that. the end of the day, those things might matter to many americans, whole litany matters more. it is up to getting the facts out and the sheen through to have desantis shine bright. >> kayleigh: patrick, as democrat on the couch, talk about newsom here and incentive. newsom, no victory to republicans,s does it feel like a red wave? it does, it is my grievance with my party, we are getting crushed on narrative. it seems like someone seeing himself as messenger for the puter and pair that with reuters and democrats have no biden backup plan for 2024 despite age concerns and pair that with the poll axios laid out, 67% of democratic and democratic leaning voters want someone other than biden. if newsom does well tonight, there will be clamoring for him to be the nominee. what are his incentives here? >> patrick: he's been a messenge and five years this might be a preview of what 2020 might look like. he's there to fight the good fight. take a step back -- >> kayleigh: does the good fight include being the nominee? >> patrick: not for this election. former president trump will be the candidate for the republican party. that is just what it is going to be, no way the folks on the republican side are going to make up enough ground, when we talk about january, february, months from primary votes. >> kayleigh: rachel, there is a scenario that often doesn't happen, conventions nominate nominees. you could see a scenario where there are fumbles by biden, a convention could change that. >> rachel: no question about that. i think ron desantis, when he was on the stage with the republican primaries, where their positions are similar, personality mattered and that is not a strong suit for ron desantis. he is kind of wooden and used consultant-tested answers that are rerehearsed. where he's shined when he goes to war with democrats and one-on-one and with the media. in this debate, with governor newsom, this is going to be interesting. there is data and facts that he has on his side. this is, as you said, martha, battle of what is america? do we want to be florida or california? a lot of people are looking at florida thinking that looks good. challenge for desantis is the strong suit for governor newsom, he is super charismatic, good-looking and slimy and willing to lie with no impunity. i don't generally like in the moment fact checking, ron desantis will have to do that and maybe get backup from sean on that, fascinating debate. >> kayleigh: big props to gavin newsom for being willing to come on. >> rachel: shows how confident he is. >> kayleigh: i think florida is better, that is my bias. watch tonight's debate between governor ron desantis and governor gavin newsom at 9:00 p.m., sean hannity moderating. and advocacy groups supposed to champion women is deafening as hamas continue terrorist barbaric attack against women and children. veryone, our m issin is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. 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progressive feminists of the world, where are you? one important group is not rushing to condemn hamas terrorists, un women, bills itself as global champion for gender equality, when it comes to jewish women no outrage. the group's deputy executive director when pressed on their silence. >> is there a reason you can't specifically call out hamas and the mounting evidence over seven weeks that israeli investigators have collected? >> indeed, un women always support impartial, independent investigation into serious allegations of sexual violence and within the un family, led by office of the high commissioner of human rights in this context and within the un system, it is the independent international commission of inquiry, which for us has the mandate to investigate investigations. >> emily: that is ironic, same body condemned israel more times than any other country in the globe combined and added insult to injury kicking off annual campaign for elimination of violence against women just last week. >> if it weren't so serious, i have to laugh when i listen to this woman from the un, i'm sorry, what is she saying? she is working so hard to not say anything, reminds me of the language we hear from the vice president, a lot of words that sound like they were created by a corporate spokesperson that mean nothing. a lot of people have witnessed this film that was shot by hamas. they wanted the world to see what they were doing. i saw this video, many people have, one of the most horrible parts of it is this young woman who has blood all over her and she's pushed into the back of a car and people climb in there with iphones and they are sticking the phone in there. it doesn't take imagination to figure out what is happening in this situation. cheryl sandburg is right, i'm so tired, either you stand for humanity or you don't. it doesn't matter and we've seen this so many times before with christianity and conservative women. some people don't matter in the equation of places like the un, i'm not sure what they stand for. if they can't come out and stand for this, they can say they are concerned about women and children, innocent women and children who are palestinian. say it, say what is going on. don't talk approximate gender crimes, talk about what is going on. >> emily: the vacum, kayleigh, you served as white house pres secretary, why is it so difficult to condemn this massive violence against women? why are they silent when all it takes to one sentence? >> kayleigh: yeah, she is saske and she says we have a reason, don't give me that bs, all the times you didn't need an investigation like when raham took 200 girls in iran, you were clear, you had shock and outrage women were being whipped amidthe taliban takeover. you said nudity and abuse have been documented by journalists and you didn't need an independent investigation, only when jewish women were being raped. no more of this, we will start cutting funding from the united nations, president biden gave 12 billion to united nations, one fifth of their budget, no more, not a single penny should go to this depraved organization that facilitates terrorism by not condemning it. >> patrick: rape as weapon of war is crime against humanity, we need to be clear, when you use rape or sexual violence by anybody, it is wrong. we cannot half step this and we need to be clear as america with our friends across the world they need to speak up. i love the fact this is nation approach against illegal and horrific actions of raping women, innocent civilians on october 7 and since. >> emily: where is our vice president? 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>> no. >> what do you mean? >> if somebody is going to try to blackmail me with advertising, with money, go -- yourself. go -- yourself. is that clear? i hope it is. hi, bob, if you're in the audience. >> let me ask you then -- >> that is how i feel, don't advertise. >> interesting to watch elon musk interviews. i mean, kayleigh, he is breaking the mold and saying if twitter fails or x fails, the company fails, it is on these people, i'm okay with that. >> kayleigh: yeah, that is elon musk, he had a broader mission when he took over twitter, to create a true free speech platform. a major newspaper, one of the biggest and oldest is pushed off the site, his mission was not money. iger's words about not positive for us mimics words in politico, story about president biden and his team and their use of x and there was a quote from rob f flaraty, we look at x as increasingly hostile place. value was for communicating with elites and reporters and high information people, place politics could move into culture and goes on, the article was about viewing twitter or x as a sewer. this language about a sewer, not positive, comes as twitter or x is unaccountable to a white house which came into office issuing demands for twitter to take down posts which question vaccine. this is bigger than one advertiser, this is questioning platform that is free speech, platform saying we're not going to regulate or shape elections in the way they did with the hunter biden story. >> rachel, what did you think about that? reminds me of musk's comments when he bought twitter. he said, it is not about the money, i don't care if it makes money temperature is in deep financial trouble and they are losing subscribers to x, as well. is the model working? is he creating that town square open area for free speech he envisioned? >> i go on twitter, now x, i can see things i know i wouldn't have seen before elon musk was in. elon musk frustration in that video, to me, he knows bob iger doesn't really care about -- he's not outraged by nazism, what he hates is free speech and elon musk in charge of that site or platform because it enables free speech. media matters is a big part of this, sort of like the beginning of cancel culture and have to understand how it works and it affects our company, too. they follow and have people they are assigned to, they will follow you or you and probably me and find things i say that are racy and try to get you fired. this is a model that has been very effective because they get advertisers to leave companies and so this is what he's fighting against. i didn't see this outrage when "wall street journal" did the story on instagram on pedophilia and this is ideological and they want control of the censorship industrial complex and elon musk is a threat to that. >> patrick: i disagree. this is question for you -- >> rachel: that is why we're here. >> patrick: i know, this is not freedom of speech, this is about free market, besides disney and apple and others, when elon took over, he took away safeguards there is more hate speech and antisemitism out there and we can't cheer when he gets rid of those thingings and people are saying, it is not a safe space anymore. and ev