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that will do it for me on this addition of alex witt reports, who is enjoying some well- deserved time off . thank you for watching. we will see you again tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. eastern. next, the beat: weekend peer hello, i'm ari melber covering the first conviction of a former president in american history. thursday, may 30, 2024 , is now etched in all of our collective experiences. the day a jury found donald trump guilty. the date a man who spent his life outrunning lawsuits from fellow citizens, civil cases from government officials, regulatory probes, federal probes, congressional inquiries, a record-breaking two impeachments and one presidential term, historic rico charge in an unprecedented two federal indictments, the defendant outran or punted accountability and all of those cases over many years which involved all kinds of evidence of wrongdoing found he could not outrun a jury of his peers. after two days and nine hours of deliberation as they unanimously found him guilty on all counts, as you know by now. a former president convicted of felony crimes for the first time in our nation's history. the news broke. we will be revisiting that tonight and going forward with some special guests the new information, but this is a time, if there ever was a time, to slow down in our fast-paced lives and the way our media, including television and internet media rushes forward to the next thing and the next thing in the next iteration of the thing and the implication of the thing -- this is a time to absorb what we just went through. it was not so long ago, may 30, etched into legal precedent, into law books that will be read and studied for many decades to come, into history books that will try to understand why this took so long, in some sense, and why it happened. and then what will be happening after it, which is our collective future. and it will certainly be written about and studied and whatever mechanisms they use, video, hologram, tiktok, you name it, but in the decades ahead in the political tomes about this new chapter in a long-running question that out dates democracies, but is at the core of any rule of law democracy, which is this clash between power, who gets it, how we handed out, and accountability, which is always tested more on how we deal with the powerful rather than everybody else. so i say that as a bit of an opening. i hope it's not too grandiose, but a big picture thought. and right now we are going to turn to something we prepared for you to begin tonight and begin the special, and that is how we all went through this from when it first started to break on that day i mentioned thursday, may 30. >> we have a verdict in the criminal trial of donald trump! we are looking at counts one, guilty peer count two, guilty. count three, guilty. >> breaking news. donald trump found guilty on at least five, five of the 34 charges so far. >> that just stopped me in my tracks. there is an eruption -- >> guilty on one through five. one through 12 -- >> trump is not above the law. >> is accountability and exactly what america needs right now. we need for accountability to be had by all those that break the law. >> those jurors were chosen by both sides. >> count 20, guilty peer count 21, guilty peer count 22, guilty peer >> i think we can feel proud that the system of justice and the rule of law within liberal democracy has survived. >> count 33 and 34, guilty. >> found guilty on all 34 felony counts. >> the breaking news. donald trump guilty and the so- called hush money criminal trial. >> in the historic conviction of former president donald trump . >> the first former president of the united states convicted on criminal charges. >> it took a jury a little less than 10 i was to find mr. trump guilty on our 34 counts. >> the test for us now as a country is whether or not this former president and his allies will have succeeded in trying to undermine the rule of law so that people reject this as legitimate function of the rule of law in our country. >> that is the rule of law. 34 felony counts. the defendant turned convict looked worn down, even more morose than usual and we watched him in the courtroom and he definitely looked like it registered for him, even if he is a well-known performer when he exited the courtroom. in lower manhattan there was a mixed mood as the news began to spread. leasing people gathered there and in relatively small crowds throughout the process? supporters were reacting with disbelief of the defendant and this was celebrating. more people with the signs of lock them up. jumpsuits and other types of props came out as this news broke. the rule of law did hold. that's more significant than any commentary or complaints about it but the defendant stands convicted of these felony counts by a jury of his peers. the verdict, front page news all over the world. we might forget sometimes how many people around the world of following this sometimes closer than some of our fellow citizens. elgin, brazil, canada, netherlands, spain, the uk much as some of those assorted headlines i'm showing you. front pages galore. trump found guilty was how the paper record in washington put it at the wall street journal owned by fox news's as news corp., trump convicted. no way to spin the basic fact. the l.a. times, trump guilty on all counts. in miami, a city where the former president now resides, florida, guilty. ex-president donald trump convicted on art of 34 counts and hush money case. the new yorker, known to come with a quick, thoughtful cartoonish spin showing the possibility of this president and his cartoon hands, potentially handcuffed, although sentencing will wait for july pick in new york where the tabloids have long danced with this figure, you can see guilty and guilty in two and the new york post, one of the only papers going further, in the wall street journal, to take a different spin rather than beginning with the facts. they began with a take that they view the rule of law and a jury of his peers in the process having played out as, quote, injustice but donald trump's hometown paper, the small queens daily eagle went with an old-school way to put it. queens man convicted. that queens man is just that. a man. a person. a citizen. he has rights as a convict just as he had rights as a defendant and is expected to appeal. they say they will do that. as for the president who replaced donald trump, he is also speaking out. he rarely does on this topic but now that there is a verdict, he spoke about it for the first time. >> and i just want to say a few words about what happened yesterday in new york city. the american principle that no one is above the law was reaffirmed. >> reaffirmed and reaffirmed against something that some of the optimism politicians did not acknowledge as much. that of these four different indictments i mentioned, three have been effectively punted, delayed and whittled down to not get to the public or to a jury by the election. it shouldn't matter if sometimes there are some delays, the election doesn't matter when the crimes in question involved a coup to overthrow the government, rico charge for a related crime to overthrow the election, and in this case, which at one point wasn't clear whether it would go first or not or go it all, a crime for the original electoral college election of donald trump, which is not classified as part of a campaign conspiracy. return to the presidential historian and the vanity fair -- we can't always do justice to history but we can slow down a bit and feel something has happened. how do you take this? >> i was at the university of delaware and jordan klepper was there, a comedian, he came on stage and people were sitting there and everyone had advanced notice. but it was like punches. one and two, three, four. because the was advanced notice, everybody leaned forward in the country to find out what would happen and it's devastating. president trump now is this rare ivory tower of the only president charged with 34 felony counts as he has to roll into a debate and into the milwaukee convention. and he can frame it anyway he wants. it's a terrible embarrassment because nobody that get hits with felonies that feels good with it. i thought for a minute, even though he was moping out of court, i thought history will show that he kind of pulls himself together and showed this iota of dignity and then here today he has probably breaking the gag order. mocking people. jurors now have to be fearful. so it's, again, the authoritarian tech x of trump to intimidate anybody and everybody that doesn't agree with his will. that's going to look like in history that this is the time, the beginning of the end of donald trump and the sense of this isn't two impeachments. the are peers and 24 americans that say if we can't trust her jury system in this country, we can't get behind that, then there is no american democracy. i think biden should say a few things but just let trump kind of felt on this. >> molly, i want to show how it's playing out the purpose different ways people absorb things that we have the 34th street subway station there. that is 34 but matches the counts guilty. there are new yorkers, this is again where the jury occurred, chalking it up. i think it speaks to the clarity. legally we can say that there are different levels but 34. this is one of those meetings where you can see why donald trump is being prosecuted because he committed crimes or the maga response. go back to cave paintings. but memes here. this is one echoing game of thrones and then the gold sneaker he was touting earlier this year , does now equipped with an ankle bracelet. and the dad jokes are there as well. 34 counts. >> look. this is a person who has evaded accountability his entire life. and what i thought biden did which was quite smart was that right now we have a moment in american history where one party believes in democracy and another party really has embraced an autocrat. and so what biden did, which i think was a good move, was he said the law is the law for everyone. this was a jury of his peers this was a case brought by a.d.a. we saw his witnesses. we saw the lawyer do everything that is supposed to happen in a courthouse. and in the end, they found donald trump guilty. and trump's lawyer, todd blanche, did have a client who directed him to do a lot of things, which may not have helped. trump always thinks that candidate trump helps defendant trump. i think, yet again, we've seen that candidate trump is not helpful for defendant trump. but trump has really mash these things together. the legal system, his quest for power, his quest to stay in office, and i thought biden did a good job of just getting in there and getting out. >> we also have this image here of folks embracing, excited about this because for some people this is a big moment yesterday. that was outside and of course you have the j days memory. >> and you realize that people were watching each time trump's almost busted on something and it doesn't happen and doesn't happen. i think expectations were kind of low like it could be a hung jury. so when this came over, it really hit people in a very profound way. i know there is a consensus because the republicans have coalesced around trump, by and large. all of them, quickly, because he is their nominee but it's going to look like a mccarthyism gone mad. this is a guy, trump, who started trump university and to suddenly put him as a public virtue or that he is the face of integrity and that he is being mistreated by the justice system is absurd. he has been just pushing and pushing for this moment to happen over and over in his career the strange part people will wonder is how did he get away with it for so long? >> he did not get away with this. that's why at the end of the day we are talking about whether they request jail and how he deals with that and that hangs over him and he will have to keep thinking about that. anything that got close to the convention come he's try to delay every case as much as possible so he is the one that brought it colliding with a campaign season, as much as anyone else pick so it really is a time as you mentioned, and you mentioned mccarthyism, autocratic challenges, other challenges we've had. ask anyone from a marginalized community and ask minorities and women about how the legal system works and how it is to up date itself with mores in modern equality so it's not the first time we've seen this but it is beating back his effort to exempt himself. douglas and molly, thank you for kicking us off on a special. i want to tell folks what's coming up. as you may have seen on your screen, bob woodward is a special guest tonight. he is not done many interviews recently. he's not one to speak out much during open new story or trial but he is our special guest here tonight. the watergate icon and he will talk about the first president to have this level of legal problems and the conviction that nixon never got because of this pardon. that's coming up at next my breakdown on how new york d.a. alvin bragg one and b trump were so many others failed. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. smile! you found it. the feeling of finding psoriasis can't filter out the real you. so go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only sotyktu, a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up. or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don't take if you're allergic to sotyktu; serious reactions can occur. sotyktu can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections, cancers including lymphoma, muscle problems, and changes in certain labs have occurred. tell your doctor if you have an infection, liver or kidney problems, high triglycerides, or had a vaccine or plan to. sotyktu is a tyk2 inhibitor. tyk2 is part of the jak family. it's not known if sotyktu has the same risks as jak inhibitors. find what plaque psoriasis has been hiding. there's only one sotyktu, so ask for it by name. so clearly you. sotyktu. welcome back. we have the legendary pulitzer prize-winning watergate writer bob woodward coming up but before we turn to him that something i haven't had time to do since this conviction came down even with our many coverage of hours and the team and that is just a slightly deeper look at how we got here in this case versus all the others. there was nothing inevitable about this. federal prosecutors in the southern district it involves a with part of this case pick the prosecuted cohen and declined to file any trump charges from that case. the first manhattan d.a. probe these charges for years and did not make a move one way or the other. didn't make a declination. that's where you say it's over and did not charge. just left office leaving a pending pick those criticism that understandably. d.a. bragg had to come into that gray area. he took over. indictment was at that time considered unlikely. indeed, -- this and follow news and you may remember a lot of people said given january 6 in the classified documents case and the energy around those things as this was heating up, there wasn't necessarily a view that this 2015 related campaign crime should go first or at all. and then when the d.a. did bring charges there were many who downplayed them. >> at least in my judgment of all the cases, this is the weakest one substantively. >> this is a very weak case. >> this is the wrong case at the wrong time. >> as a matter of law, these charges are the weakest. >> chances of unanimous conviction are like, 10 to 15%? >> i think your analysis is spot on. at this point i think the odds of a hung jury are high. >> i think the case is in many ways steel at this juncture. >> this trial legally is very weak and the facts a very weak. >> i don't think there is anybody in america who thinks this is a seriously strong case. >> alvin bragg is now sweating even more than usual. he is pathetically weak case against former president trump has totally imploded. >> were talking about a case that the feds across the street, my former office, the famously aggressive southern district of new york review two years ago and said we pass. >> the new york city, manhattan case involving bragg and the hush payments is the weakest criminal case of ever seen in 60 years of practicing criminal law. >> the case was actually strong enough to win against all prior precedent because no one's ever gone this far against a former president, and it was constructed in a way to move, to get to a jury unlike the other cases. now it's worth hearing all these views, if you do journalism you will talk to both sides and more, so you will get differing views but i'm showing that to remind you there were a lot of people including legal experts who all but dismissing this as a weak case going nowhere. now the only case to hit a jury, and not only that as you now know, to convict defended trump. bragg was not deterred. he spoke through his actions. he moved forward and avoided the press. he kept his cards close to the best when he did his rare interviews, including when we spoke to him. >> less than two weeks before the presidential election, michael cohen wired $130,000 to stormy daniels' lawyer. that payment was to hide damaging information from the voting public. the scheme violated new york election law. >> investigation is ongoing. this is one chapter. i caution people against reading ahead. >> the work continues. the work never stopped. >> i did my job. we did our job. many voices out there that the only voice that matters is the voice of the jury and the jury has spoken. >> back to check. true here in our system when there are criminal prosecutions, it is only the jury that matters, not the criticism, although were free to debate in public, and not even the d.a., although this d.a. has proven himself quite effective. the only one to win against defendant trump. that is a look at how we got here. coming up in the special edition of the beat, we look at the larger history being made. the legendary journalist bob woodward, my special guest, next year it only takes a minute. look at that! the heavy duty cloths are extra thick for amazing trap and lock. even for his hair. wow! and for dust i love my heavy duty duster. the fluffy fibers trap dust on contact up high and all around without having to lift a thing. i'm so hooked! you'll love swiffer or your money back! but st. jude has gotten us through it. st. jude is hope for every child diagnosed with cancer dangerous ladders. gutter muck. because the research is being shared all over the world. yuck. no wonder you hate cleaning your gutters. good thing there's leaffilter. our patented filter technology keeps leaves and debris out of your gutters forever. guaranteed. call 833- leaffilter to get started. and get the permanent gutter solution that ends clogs for good. they took the time to answer all of our questions. they really put us at ease. end clogged gutters for good. call 833.leaf.filter, or visit leaffilter.com today. this conviction of donald trump on all 34 felony counts is history. it's the breaking news that everybody who witnesses this together and you did not watch it live through television or internet, moments later you look back on it and start discussing it. it's one of those moments. we thought we would be remiss to not actually, beyond all the other things we as covered you tonight, actually see on more than one channe

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