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tonight. i have this new podcast, it is called rachel maddow presents ultra, season two of ultra. episode two of that is out today. it starts with a really cheery little episode, i guess. a really cheery little thumbnail sketch of a doomsday weapon designed to kill everyone on earth. so, you know, how is that for ats? episode two of ultra is out today wherever you get your podcasts. thank you. all right, that is going to do for us tonight. now it is time for the last word with the great lawrence o'donnell. >> episode two to look forward to because of, like you, i spent today engrossed in anthony fauci's book. i spent the weekend. i have to do an event with him at the 92nd street y on thursday night, which i am sure by the time you are halfway through your first comments, was sold out for thursday night. and rachel, the book is so rich, as you know that was the tip of the iceberg discussion. you can do, i could do an hour with him just about what he went through at the beginning of the mystery of the hiv-aids investigation. those chapters where they don't know what they are dealing with . it brings us all back to that time and all the work that he did long before he ended up, once again, saving so many lives during the covid-19 pandemic. >> and even if you just go to the pandemic park, epidemic by epidemic, even what he tells you about the guy, which i had completely forgotten about, i'm sorry, but i had. that is a mind blowing stuff in terms of the way that that was handled and mishandled in the way that people in government dealt with that. that absolutely will curl your hair. within just the details, even about the start of covid, the falling call that he got on new year's day, 2020, from the reporter asking him about something that went on in central china. the footage that they have, the images that they had about the prefab thousand dead hospital that was popping up in a place where there weren't even supposedly 800 infections and what that meant. and then, course, the interactions with trump. the cameos from people like steven mnuchin, who walked her through the covid response, fundamentally misunderstand what is going on and screwing it up. it is just, it is living history because he is still going through it, the way they are targeting him. it is going to be a definitive record for the american public health in the 21st and 20th centuries. >> will do more than an hour, hour and a half on this. i am going to begin where it all began in bensonhurst, and brooklyn. his story growing up, just to his elementary school through high school. that is a book. that is a book in itself. >> you have to tell the story about the doctor. i mean, i won't step on your intro for the y but when he is born. literally the night he was born and was the doctor who delivers him is wearing when he brings baby anthony fauci into the world. you can't make it up. it is freaking fantastic >> it is incredible. the book is just a great book, even if it had no controversy in its work it is just a wonderful, wonderful book. just an astonishing life. at any point you can just stop that book and say okay, that is an amazing life. and he is 40 at that point we could go on and on, rachel. really, i just have to say that was just an invaluable hour that you just delivered to us. >> ray, i'm looking forward to the highlights, thank you. >> thank you, rachel. joe biden, the president who some seem to think are too old to be president, flew across the atlantic ocean four times in a week. first to france to attend the ceremonies commemorating the day, and then back to washington and then back across the atlantic to italy for the all-important g7 meeting. and then, the longest leg of his flight schedule was from europe back across the atlantic , this time all the way across the country to los angeles. where on saturday night, where would have been prohibitively jetlagged to even speak, president biden made an appearance with his mood important friend in politics, president barack obama, right at the stakes in this presidential election. >> institutions matter. and this president, what he did on january the sixth, you hear what he is saying now? if he doesn't win, there will be a bloodbath. it is outrageous what he is talking about. >> and if donald trump does win the electoral college, he has promised to pardon some immediate releases from prison for all of the people who violently attacked the capital for donald trump on january 6th, 2020 one. to overturn the presidential election. the greatest single crime ever committed against democracy in american history, now has the full and open public support of one of our presidential candidates, who just happens to also be a criminal defendant accused of being the lead conspirator or in that crime against american democracy, leading up to and on january 6th. on saturday night, president biden heightened the stakes in the election by pointing out something we all should have seen as obvious. before president biden said, that if donald trump wins the electoral college again, he will be in a position to immediately appoint at least two extreme republican members of the supreme court, will be able to extend the life of the trump court for another 40 years. >> these threats to abortion rights, to women's rights, even to birth control and ivf are not in our liberal imaginations anymore. they are very real, and these decisions, these very personal, intimate decisions are now being made by nine unelected judges, one of whom flies his flag upside down. the other one, one of the others drives around in a $267,000 gift on vacations. and i think we are all wondering what can we do about this? >> colectomy again, and i tell you why. the next president is likely to have two new supreme court nominees, two more. he has already appointed the two that have been very negative in terms of the rights of individuals. the idea that if he is re- elected he is going to appoint two more flying flags upside down is really, i really mean it. >> could this be the scariest part of all of it? >> i think it is one of the scariest parts. look, the supreme court has never been as out of guilt or as it is today. i mean, never. i took constitutional law for nine years. this guy knows more about it than most. look, the fact of the matter is that this is never been a court that has been this far out of step. and, by the way, when we said, after the decision of roe v wade , the dobbs decision, you had clarence thomas talk about the fact that there are going to be other things we should reconsider including, in vitro fertilization. including contraception. including all these things. and -- by the way. by the way, gay writes. not on my watch . not on my watch. >> here is the opponent of the two judge deal. joe biden was just talking about. clarence thomas is 75 years old. he doesn't look especially healthy. he doesn't look like he likes his job. he has already been identified as the most corrupt supreme court justice in history, given that new supreme court justice in history has actually been accused of a crime. clarence thomas violates ethical standards and financial disclosure rules at an unprecedented level that makes him the supreme court justice who has financially exploited his position as a supreme court justice more than any other justice in history and no one else is even close. how much money would it take to get 75-year-old clarence thomas to resign from the supreme court so that donald trump could replace them with 43-year- old judge eileen mercedes canna, who could serve 40 years on the united states supreme court after she dismisses the charges against donald trump in the criminal case that jack smith has brought against donald trump for violations of the espionage act, which judge a cannon would absolutely do. as soon as possible if donald trump won the electoral college. donald trump wouldn't even have to ask her to do that. clarence thomas won't just hit a brand-new motorhome for resigning from the supreme court. will give him a private jet. whatever it takes. clarence thomas will live the life of an ultra rich man for the rest of his life, life he has always wanted to live point the rich man's life. and then there is 74-year-old samuel alito. who would be convinced with some financial inducement to lead the supreme court so that he, too, could be replaced by a 40-year-old republican right wing extremist who would extend the trump court rule another 40 years. yes, your vote means possibly 40 more years control of the supreme court. samuel alito's wife would then be free after her husband left the court to yell anything she wants at her neighbors. but she might then be rich enough to live in a gated community that would lock her off from any exposure to anyone other than extremist trump republicans who share misses alito's views of life, including her publicly expressed other hatred of gay pride flags. that is a very easy to judge deal for donald trump and rich republicans to execute. at the event on saturday, president obama said this. >> the power of the supreme court is determined by appointments. it is determined by elections. and so, you know, what we are seeing now is a byproduct of, in 2016, there were a whole bunch of folks who, for whatever reason set up. said we are not enthusiastic enough. we are not feeling inspired enough. why bother? and hopefully we have learned our lesson because these elections matter in very concrete ways. we are now seeing how much it matters when it comes to the supreme court. >> not inspired enough. one of the conditions that the biden- harris campaign knows that they are facing is some degree of what president obama was just talking about. some degree of voter apathy which actually exists. because joe biden has brought sanity back to the presidency. some voters don't apparently remember how bad it was under the trump presidency. because of the enormity of the biden presidency, some of those voters have had not much reason to pay much attention to the actual compliments of the biden presidency. president obama on the campaign trail, this is what those voters will be hearing from him. >> i have talked about this before. i have talked about this before. and it is best, the presidency is a relay race. you take the baton and you run the race and so we get where it started. but we knew at the time that even though 20 million people were getting health insurance who didn't have it before. there were still some people who were having trouble affording it because we couldn't find all the subsidies that a lot of people needed. joe comes in, boosts some of the subsidies. that means millions more people are able to access healthcare that is affordable and they can have some security. on climate change, we find clean energy at record levels when we first came into office, joe and i together. we move forward in terms of making sure that fuel efficiency standards on cars have changed. we get the paris accords done. but that is not enough to deal with the size and scope of the challenges that we face. joe comes in, makes historic investments in clean energy. [ applause ] so the, i take great pride in what the biden administration's accomplished. and it is a reminder that we don't have to just vote against something in this election. we have so many to worry about, and there is a whole agenda that we should be concerned about. but we can take pride in affirming the extraordinary work that joe has done. and we want to make sure that we don't hold back and pass it on to the next. because rather than have a president who wants to reverse the progress that has been made. leading off our discussion tonight, andrew weissman, former chief of the eastern district of new york. legal analyst and co-author of the new york times best selling book, the trump indictments. thank you very much for joining us. this is a discussion of, about the stakes in the presidential election. this is what matters, and, most coverage of elections, unfortunately, focuses on other things. optics and poles and things like that. but these, this is what we actually know. what the two candidates wanted to do. what their records show they want to. with the joe biden on saturday night, started talking about the two justices, i had thought already, highly likely they should get clearance thomases regulation -- resignation were trump term for obvious reasons, including there is no limit to how many motorhomes he can get if he hands over his supreme court seek to donald trump. but then there is the alito seat. so in his mid-70s, some who we now know once a trump-y and judge to replace him whenever that day comes. john roberts is 69 years old. if judges are looking for the moment where they can get a reliable extremely conservative to right wing judge of whether, the trump years would be that time. and those kinds of appointments could extend the trump court and trump court control of another 40 years. >> yes and that leaves the side anything that happens just because of that look. >> let's assume nothing else. assume only that. and that is a tremendous amount of bad outcomes. >> right, exactly. sonia mayor, knock on wood, the longest life, that she is the same age as justice roberts. there is no question that if you have lived in the last four years, you know that the supreme court is on the ballot. you have seen a right that women have go away. and they had it for 50 years. and you have justice thomas talking about it, as you noted. and that is the beginning, not the end. under a new trump administration , it is really no holds barred. the other thing i would .2 there is not to think about what could happen, but really focus on what is happening right now. you and i talked about this just a few days ago, which is that six months ago, the court was asked to take up the issue of is a president, and from criminal prosecution? a question that no one even thought you could dare ask. and that, the result of that is to give this former president immunity. that is something that this conservative trump and supreme court has enacted and basically saying there will be no accountability for his conduct on january 26th. but they have completely whitewashed that in terms of having criminal accountability. in new york, we have seen what happens when you have criminal accountability. trump loses. there is a reason he does not want to have a trial in the supreme court is, by its inaction, aiding and abetting exactly that. >> angier, what do you mean, in your experience, what are the stakes at the justice department itself in this presidential election? >> so i have had my disagreements with merrick garland in terms of things that he has done or things that he hasn't done. but the one thing that we know about merrick garland's heat is the complete antithesis of bill barr in terms of understanding the rule of law and the independence of the department of justice. from the white house. and people need to understand, that is a norm. it is not set in stone, in law. and that independence justice is what separates us from and autocracy. you had judge sessions, the reason he was canned is because even though you might disagree with every single thing he stands for, politically, he understood that it was inappropriate to take orders from the white house. you couldn't does not prosecute republicans and prosecute democrats who commit crimes. that that is not what the justice department is about. and yet, this is what you are hearing from donald trump, steve bannon, steve miller, and a whole series of politicians, which is that fundamentally antithetical of what it means to be in this country. we will be a completely different country under a trump 2.0 administration, because what will happen to the department of justice and the courts. >> andrew weissman, thank you very much for joining us on this discussion tonight. >> you're welcome. coming up, what are the stakes of the election, the united states of no abortions. the texas abortion ban claims to have an exception, when the life of them mother, when our next yes's life was in danger. in texas refused to save her life, or the life of the healthy twin she was carrying at that time. we will hear what lauren bob told a senate hearing about that when she joins us. that is next. see ya. 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