a racial slur as he got out of the suv to follow trayvon martin. it is important, because the federal government is investigating this as a possible hate crime. and the audio in question could be a major piece of evidence. the fbi is certainly treating it that way. they're doing their open analysis of the -- own analysis of the tape. a warning about the language. if you want to send the kids out of the room, now would be a good time. okay? so about the phrase. some believe they hear zimmerman saying f'ing coons and others hear f'ing cold. listen. >> i don't want to say what it sounds like this time but a lot of people are saying it sounds like, but let's play it a few times so that the viewer can have a hear for themselves. >> f'ing coons. >> you can stop it. it does sound less like that racial slur last time i acknowledged the possibility it could have been that slur. from listening in this room, this is the state of the art room it doesn't sound like that slur anymore. >> but today yet another interpretation. this time, f'ing punks. here's the newest enhanced viewer done by tom owen of owen forensics. >> f'ing punks. >> all right. so what do you think it's not easy to know, well, once again tom owen he thinks he was saying punks and zimmerman's lawyers claim he told them that is exactly what he said. this would seem to be welcome news in the zimmerman camp, however, tom owen is also the expert who contradicts zimmerman's claim he was crying out for help that night, which was captured on the 911 call. it's a claim his father repeated night on fox news. >> george was there yelling for help for at least 40 seconds. it's clearly him on the tape. there's absolutely no doubt about who it is. a neighbor came, saw what was happening, saw george being beaten. heard george yelling for help. and the neighbor said he was calling 911. >> also when asked about his son that he ever that he knew of used a racial slur, he said none whatsoever. he described george zimmerman as someone who tutored african-american children. mr. zimmerman called it sad in his words that people are not telling the truth about the case for their own agenda, suggesting it's a racial agenda. more now on how big a role race did or didn't play is playing or should or shouldn't play in this tragedy. joining us, professor boys watkins of syracuse university. he's the founder of you're black world.com. and also, carol swain. thanks to both of you very much for coming in. boys watkins, first to you. we don't know for sure what happened the night that george zimmerman shot trayvon martin. we certainly don't know if it was racially motivated. but you think race is a huge part of this story. tell us why. >> because i think that it's quite reasonable to believe that what happened to trayvon that night would not have happened had he been white. all of the things that led to zimmerman finding him to be suspicious, to chasing him down, and eventually killing him related to the fact that he was a black man with a hoodie on in a neighborhood in which some people felt he didn't belong. so part of the reason that this case has sparked so much controversy around the world actually is because there are millions of people who can identify with that. millions of black men including myself and women as well who know what it's like to look suspicious even when you haven't done anything wrong. to somehow extract race from the case of trayvon martin, it would border on the delusional actually. >> carol swain, you say the whole discussion about george zimmerman shouldn't racialized shall we say. explain what you mean. >> i don't believe that the black leaders should be using race in the way that they have and encouraging young black men to wear hoodies. those hoodies feed into the stereotype and unfortunately in american when you look at the crime rate among young black men, wearing those hoodies, all of that raises the suspicion that causes them to be viewed, you know, as potentially criminal. and i am a mother and i raised two black males and we lived in predominantly white neighborhoods. so my children, you know, they were trailed, they were stopped by the police and they had to learn how to carry themselves and how to dress in such a way that they wouldn't raise suspicion. i think we should be teaching our young people how to present themselves in such a way that they don't necessarily feed into the negative stereotypes. >> professor watkins, some including yourself have called for an economic boycott of sanford, florida, if george zimmerman is not arrested. tell our viewers why you support this. >> i support the boycott as of right now. because when you look at what's going on in sanford and what has happened in sanford, it's not a stretch to think there could be serious corruption going on there. if you look throughout the history of george zimmerman you find this man who was a son of a judge has been allowed to walk free on many offenses that would have landed a guy like me in jail. so i think that there are some people shaking in their boots in the sanford government that realize they've been complacent in allowing this man to escape punishment for things he's done in the past. i think everyone should be investigated. i think his father should be investigated. i think that all of these individuals who may have obstructed justice now and in the past should be dealt with because the prosecution of george zimmerman is really just the beginning. and the last many point i'll make is that the hoodie is not on trial. trayvon martin is not on trial. >> the stereotypes are. the stereotypes are. >> but if i want to walk outside and wear a hoodie, nobody has a right to kill me because i wear a hoodie. that's like saying a woman who wears a short skirt deserves to be raped. that would be highly inappropriate thing to say. so trayvon wearing a hoodie is not the issue. >> that's over the top. that's over the top. that's part of the problem. >> i don't see why it's over the top. >> as long as black men have -- young black men have such a high crime rate and there are a lot of crimes that we could be talking about, it feeds into that stereotype. and the economic boycott, all that's going to do is hurt the community. it will hurt black people, it will hurt white people, hispanics. it will hurt the businesses. nothing good will come from that. >> you're saying dr. king was just a big trouble maker. when he organized the boycotts. he was making things worse. you're sighing when he organized boycotts -- we can't be doing that. >> you cannot begin blaming the victim. we can't do that. >> the crimes, look at the black-on-black crime rate. we know the crime rates. we have a problem in the black community. >> yes. >> and the only thing they have done is boosted the sales of hoodies and skittles. they need to teach them how to comport themselves in such a way they don't draw attention to the negative stereotypes. >> let's be clear. go ahead. well, let's be clear. many of us go around the country and talking to young black men how to conduct themselves and we can't -- >> good, good. >> so we can't presume that's not happening. but you must also -- >> that's not what some of these other people are doing. >> al sharpton is not the focus of the discussion. >> all you're doing is racializing every issue. and it doesn't benefit the black community. >> nobody racialized this issue, madam. >> it's been use in an opportunistic fashion. >> that is not true. >> and it has to do with trying to boost black turnout for the next election. i think it's part of the electoral politics. >> that is not true. >> i hope not. i hope it's not true. >> to identify trayvon as being suspicious. when zimmerman made that decision to chase down this black man he felt was suspicious, and shot him in cold blood, that racialized the issue. >> you're both talking and it's hard to understand what's going o. professor watkins, explain why an entire community, sanford, florida, families, business owners, white, black, hispanic, everyone, none of whom had anything to do with the death of trayvon martin, should be punished by a boycott because of the actions of george zimmerman. >> because the boycott is sending a message to say that whatever is happening in that government, that corruption that is oppressing so many people that's harming so many people needs to be dealt with. and, again, when you have a boycott, when you oppose economic sanctions there are going to be people who are affected who didn't have anything to do with what actually happened. but what has to happen is there has to be some sort of action to persuade the citizens of the city and that that government to shake itself down clean and sort of deal with some of these issues. a good, serious discussion from both of you. we can go on. but i think you both made your points and you made them both well. appreciate you very much. appreciate your coming on. so whatever role race may or may not play in the martin case, recent history at sanford and elsewhere gives many in the african-american community reason to suspect and, in some cases, fear the police. on his blog, tyler perry describes a tense traffic stop he had in atlanta. and the disappearance in florida of two men whose last known encounter was with a now fired but never prosecuted sheriff's deputy. details from randi kaye. >> marsia williams hasn't seen her son in eight years. do you have any hope that your son is still alive? >> i don't believe terrence is alive. at this point i have to find out what happened to him. >> what happened to terrence williams is anybody's guess. he was last seen outside this naples, florida cemetery on january 11, 2004, with this man, sheriff's deputy steve cocins. investigators say the story about meeting terrence williams here at the cemetery just doesn't add up. at one point, he said he pulled terrence williams' car over because it was having problems. when he called his friend in dispatch, he reported the car had been abandoned. he never let on he had had any contact with the driver, terrence williams. >> i got a homie cadillac on the side of the road here signal 11, snag 52 nobody around. >> maybe he's out there in the cemetery. he'll be coming back in his car. >> but if the driver was not around, how then was deputy calkins able to run a background check, using his name and birthday. >> last name? >> williams, common spelling. >> date of birth? >> 4-1-75. black male. >> yet just four days later, calkins claims to remember nothing of the car or the driver. listen to what he says when a sheriff's dispatchers calls him at home. >> you towed a car from vanderbilt and 111th monday, a cadillac. do you remember it? >> uh, no. >> do you remember? you said it was near the cemetery? >> cemetery? >> the people at the cemetery are telling her you put somebody in the back of your vehicle and arrested him and i don't show you arrested anybody. >> i never arrested nobody. >> isn't that amazing? he's a seasoned veteran and he couldn't remember four days later? >> so you don't buy that? >> no. it's not true. it's not true. >> eight days after terrence vanished, deputy calkins was ordered to write a report. and it's in this report that a different story emerges. the deputy says he drove the 27-year-old father of four to this nearby circle k where he says he thought terrence worked. and it's that version of events that concerned investigators. because just months earlier they heard the same story from deputy calkins about another missing man. 23-year-old felipe santos in october 2003 after he responded to the scene of a minor accident involving santos. he issued santos a citation and are put him in the back of his sheriff's car. santos's brother, who was also at the scene, asked we hide his face out of fear for his own safety. >> did deputy calkins tell you where he was taking your brother? >> translator: the officer never told us anything. later we went to the jail and my brother wasn't there. >> when calkins was questioned about santos, an undocumented worker, he told investigators, he dropped santos off at a circle k. sheriff's investigator kevin o'neill. >> and we have no independent corroboration of anybody telling us that they saw williams or santos at one of these circle ks. that's strictly carkins's testimony. and i think we can add up where we can put his testimony at this point. >> o'neill says neither of the missing men was ever seen on circle k's security cameras. and there's more. about a month after terrence williams disappeared, steve calkins gave a sworn statement during an interrogation. he told investigators he had called this circle k where he said he dropped terrence williams off. he told investigators he made that call from his work-issued nextel phone. but when investigators said they pulled his phone records and told him there was no record of a call to this circle k from his cell phone he brushed it off saying simply, quote, i don't know what to tell you. you've been doing this for a long time. you know when something doesn't smell right. do you think the deputy had anything to do with the disappearance and possible death of these two men? >> he's absolutely in the middle of the investigation. everything points right back to steve calkins. >> months after santos and williams went missing, calkins a 16 year veteran, was fired for lying in connection with the investigation of terrence williams. calkins hasn't been charged with a crime because no criminal evidence was ever found. in the case of terrence williams, investigators say the deputy's car was searched and described as immaculate. calkins' home was never searched because according to investigators they didn't have the evidence needed for a search warrant. we wanted to ask steve calkins some questions but couldn't get past this woman. >> hello? hi. sorry to bother you. i'm randi kaye from cnn. i'm looking for steve calkins. >> he's not on your property? >> bye. >> is he here? >> bye! >> in 2006, calkins did tell a local paper he didn't do anything wrong, blaming the coincidences of the missing men on very bad luck. he suggested maybe they ran away. >> if terrence was alive, terrence would have had somebody contact his mother. i know for sure that's one thing he would do in a heartbeat. call my mama. >> randi kaye, cnn, naples, florida. let us know what you think. we're on facebook and google plus or follow me on twitter. tonight, a question, is president obama trying to muscle the u.s. supreme court with his remarks on the health care case, or are conservatives just freaking out, including a federal judge who took action that our normally low key legal analyst calls and i'm quoting him now, a disgrace. jeffrey toobin is standing by along with jay s.e.c. ula. that's coming up. 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>> absolutely not. this is a phony controversy from day one. what obama said in its full context is completely appropriate and uncontroversial. of course the president knows that judges can declare laws unconstitutional. his own administration is asking the courts to declare the defense of marriage act unconstitutional. they declare laws unconstitutional every year. every first year law student, most college students know that. obama didn't suggest otherwise. he simply said other the -- under the precedence of the commerce clause which is relevant in the health care law, he thinks the supreme court should uphold this law. there's nothing wrong with that. >> jay, i know you disagree with jeff on this. if politics and ideology permeated the judiciaries to really damaging levels at least in some instances. >> well, look, the damage here was the president of the united states chastises in essence the supreme court of the united states on a case i heard the week before. it was my friend jeff toobin who said last week that the administration had a train wreck on one day and plane wreck the next day in oral arguments. and the president defending his position calls justices that would overturn an act of congress, a law signed by the president judicial activists. the rest of the quote said unelected judges. the fact of the matter is this. a, the fifth circuit, did they have the right to ask for that letter brief? sure. i've had cases where we have had an oral argument. during the question they will ask for additional briefing on a point. are a lot of judges upset about this? they don't like to be called what the president did. and the unprecedented aspect of this in my view, wolf, is the president not only talked about judicial philosophy but a case currently before the court that was argued, voted on last week, opinions being written and we don't know which way the case is going to go. i think it will be close, i suspect. and i think lawrence tribe was right. i understand you want to take it to a broader context, which is what the administration tried to do on tuesday and wednesday. but the fact of the matter is t