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CNNW Israel July 2, 2024



-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com you are live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm jim acosta in washington. my colleague, jim sciutto, is joining us live in northern israel. good evening everybody. just minutes ago, a new strike outside the borders of gaza. israel's military says it struck infrastructure in syria's territory, in response to launches coming from that country. we're seeing this stunning video from the southern russia republic of dagestan, russian authorities saying a crowd waving palestinian flags forced their way into an airport. the crowd was protesting the israel-hamas war. in gaza city, an aid organization says nearby israeli air strikes have caused extensive damage to the second largest hospital. the palestinian red crescent society says that's endangering the lives of patients. 12,000 displaced civilians are also sheltering there. and gunfire and explosions echo across much of gaza, as israel's ground offensive advances. israeli troops appear to have advanced over two miles into gaza, according to cnn analysis of video published. rockets continue to be fire frd gaza into israel. earlier today, president biden spoke to benjamin netanyahu. their phone conversation comes amid a stark warning from national security adviser jake sullivan. he says there is an elevated risk of the conflict expanding across the region, and the risk is real. let me bring in jim sciutto to talk about this. that warning from jake sullivan, the national security adviser, it is bearing out at least to some extent this evening, as we're getting this news that the israelis have launched a strike on syrian territory, running the risk, once again, of this conflict widening. how do you see things from your p vantage point where you are, jim? >> well, jim, it's a reminder that what is already happening to some degree, it's a low grade war in the north, at least a conflict. the fire is going back and forth, not just across the border between israel and syria to the northeast, but between israel and lebanon to the north. we found ourselves in the midst of that today, in the cross fire of artillery fire from israel into lebanon, lebanon, hezbollah fighters into israel. and it's happening multiple times a day, certainly not on the scale of what's happening in gaza. but it is daily, and it's been sufficient to, in effect, evacuate the northern part of this country. some of that is mandatory. some of these towns and villages have been turned into military zones. and some of it is voluntary. families making the decision that it's just no longer safe in the north. and they've moved south for safety, as many residents of southern israel have moved north for safety. and of course the certain, jim, is that iran orders its proxies, such as hezbollah, to expand that war even more. and then in that situation, israel's looking at a multi-front war. >> and jim, i know you've worked in the national security realm for many, many years, and i'm just curious what your thoughts are on this remarkable and very disturbing video coming out of dagestan of this airport just coming under siege from this mob of people, pro-palestinian protesters, we're told my russian state media. but obviously we don't have a lot of independent visibility into what's going on there. but what are your thoughts? >> listen, it's -- one, it's an enormous security failure. here's an airport, should have security, a mob allowed to storm it. and they were able to get onto the tarmac even. you had pilots telling their passengers don't get off the plane, keep the doors locked. that's a remarkable security failure. but also more so, it's just a measure of the hatred that we are seeing boiling over here. that crowd was attempting to attack civilians, what they thought were israelis arriving on that flight from tel aviv. it's quite a measure of just how volatile a mix of emotions and anger, not just here in israel, but around in the region and around the world. and goodness, for those passengers on the plane, you saw that crowd surround some of them. what a frightening and dangerous moment that was for them. we're going to continue following that story. we're joined by aaron david miller, who was a longtime negotiator in the middle east, as well as kimmeberly dozier. good to have you on. aaron david miller, it appears the u.s. president, after october 7th, he deliberately wanted to make the u.s. approach this with some balance. when he flew out to the region, he was going to meet with the israeli leaders, which he did, then arab leaders. but that summit, as it were, was cancelled with the initial reports of the hospital strike initially blamed on israel. but now u.s. intelligence, the assessment has been that that was actually a palestinian -- a hamas rocket, rather, that fell on the hospital. that summit was cancelled. but the clear direction of the arab world's impression of this is that the u.s. is on israel's side and israel's side alone. is that fair? >> you know, jim, thanks for having me. october 10th, the president set a pretty strong frame in which he sent a signal that he was prepared in response to the brutal slaughter on october 7th. but he sent an unmistakable message he was going to give the israeli government the time, space, and support to do whatever it felt it needed to do with effect to hamas in gaza. i think that frame has devolved. it's still unclear to me, jim, why the trickle of aid coming through rafah is not a tsunami by now. i think that has a lot to do with israeli interests, hamas interests, and egyptian constraints as well. and he's pressed the israelis to consider the implications, the consequences of a move to eradicate hamas, and press them on the day after. so, i think the frame is evolving, particularly in view of the humanitarian catastrophe and the extraordinary loss of life on the palestinian side, as the israelis try to strike hamas. however, let's be clear -- and i mentioned it earlier -- i think the main thrust in the president's mind is sequential. we would not be having this conversation tonight, had the events of october 7th not had occurred. and the world clearly is looking for moral consistency from the biden administration. that is to say, what happened on october 7th was horrible, but so is what's happening to palestinians in gaza. and frankly, the president's demeanor, his temperament, i think he certainly angered and dismayed, i think, by the level of civilian casualties. i think the mainframe is going to remain the same. >> it's something that we've seen from a number of directions now. and we should remember, it's only three short weeks ago that the events of october 7th took place. but as you say, in the view of the arab world, those were queen ran i can't's word. she said it from her perspective and jordan a u.s. ally. there's a double standard in terms of how civilian casualties are viewed. kim dozier, we saw today one example of where u.s. pressure has worked to some degree. and that is allowing the restoration of communications or at least some communications out of gaza. do we have any sense as to what u.s. pressure on the israeli military to temper its military activities in gaza, to minimize or reduce civilian casualties? is there evidence that that pressure has made a difference on those operations? >> well, from the perspective that the arab world, there has been no letup in the constant bombing t from the perspective of military planners looking at this from the outside, you can see how israel, as it's doing a major ground incursion into gaza, which it did over the weekend, that it would want the communication shut down so that it could confuse the adversary and get as many of its people in as safely as possible. so, turning the coms back on a day later might not be militarily that destructive to their ultimate goal. but if you were just going to prosecute this all out, you would keep those communications off. you would keep the enemy in the dark. you would be trying to force them to use any alternative, means of electronic communications, so you can try to spy on that, figure out where they are. the major goal is to not just disable hamas, but to try to collect as much intelligence as possible to figure out where the hostages are being held to try to get to them. and turning communications back on could be seen as one sign that the u.s. is behind the scenes influence is working. but as you've seen from interviews with jake sullivan and jake tapper today, they will not criticize israel in public. >> aaron david miller, as we watch events here in northern israel and a low-grade conflict but a conflict nonetheless between israeli forces, hezbollah and lebanon, iranian-backed proxies in syria as well, the concern had been that if israel were to go into gaza for a large scale offensive that hezbollah might very well expand this war. to date, they're certainly firing in this direction. by the way, that's having an effect. it's frightened thousands of residents out of the northern part of the country. but they have not yet declared war, as it were, from the north. do you see that as a lasting decision by hezbollah and it's iranian backers? >> you know, it's a fascinating question. when the national security adviser in the united states of america publicly talks about fear and his concern over escalation, it's something that i think we need to take very seriously. they could be getting intel and chatter that hezbollah's calculations, which for now, jim, over the last three weeks, have, i think, remained within what i would call the rules of the game that the israelis and hezbollah have set since the last big encounter in the summer of 2006. we haven't seen the deployment in hezbollah's high trajectory weapons, varying range in lethality. some of those weapons can cover as much as 300, 400 kilometers from the border. i think hezbollah's calculation is simply this. they know that israel's international legitimacy is starting to erode. and they're prepared to fight israel to the last palestinian. supporting hamas to the degree they can. but hamas has been pressing them, my understanding, for more engagement. and they resisted. and they resisted because, i think, iran does not want to undermine its key asset in lebanon. that's reserved for the prospects of an israeli or an american strike against iran's military conventional and unconventional sites. so, hezbollah understands, you have two carrier strike groups with 200 strike aircraft, a position i think dwight d. eisenhower is there. and they know that if, in fact, you get into a huge fight, the u.s. may well get involved. >> listen to that comment there from kim if you can. that's quite a remarkable statement from aaron david miller, one of the most experienced diplomats i've spoken to in this region, to say that israel's legitimacy is failing here remarkably after witnessing this horrible attack by hamas, with civilians, with women and children and elderly bearing the brunt of that hamas terror attack. that's a remarkable turn of events in such a short period of time. and i wonder if you share that assessment. >> i have to say, when you see how the u.n. vote went against condemning hamas for the october 7th attack, that was shocking to people inside israel. but it's a sign of if the goal was to damage israel on the international scene and to revive the palestinian freedom fighting movement, as the palestinian militant movement would call it, this attack has done that. the horrific scenes that we in the west have seen and believed of israelis being attacked brutally and horribly on october 7th, some of that was shared on telegram, et cetera, across arab social media. but largely what you're hearing now is that people don't believe that actually happened. they do believe the pictures of destruction inside gaza by the israeli military. so, to take a 30,000-foot view of it, if you're iran and you're watching this and you wanted to damage both the u.s. and israel, you don't need hezbollah to attack all out. everything you wanted is already playing out. the u.s. reputation is already damaged just by sticking by israel. and the world seems to have developed collective amnesia, or at least large parts of it, about what happened on october 7th. >> one of the great ironies here, right? short memories and long memories. and that is the conflict we live with every day. sadly possibly an expanding one. aaron david miller, kimberly dozier, thanks so much to both of you. we are in northern israel continuing to follow cross-border fire here not just from lebanon but also from syria and from israel back into lebanon and into syria while of course in the south, israel is expanding its military operations inside gaza. we will continue to cover both fronts of this conflict. we'll be right back after a short brbreak. this week the antidefamation league reported that since the hamas attack on october 7th in israel, anti-semitic incidents in the u.s. have increased by nearly 400%. that rise also echoed by several other u.s. based advocacy groups since the war began. democratic congressman jared moskowitz of florida join us now. last night you posted this on social media saying, today the temple i belong to was targeted by five people wearing ski masks and shouting, kill the jews, as congregates left. these people want to mass murder an entire religion just like hitler. i'm very sorry that this happened to you and members of your temple. where is all of this heading? >> jim, thanks for having me. thanks for having this discussion. jim, i don't know where it's heading, but it's not heading in a good direction. it's extremely troubling, right? we have gone from the barbaric events of october 7th to obviously a war in gaza in which people can argue both sides of. but now this has gone into a horrible place that reminds the jewish community, quite frankly, of the reason why israel was created in the first place. it's because there is a tremendous amount of anti-semitism in the world. we are no longer debating israel policy. a lot of these protests you see, whether it's in russia or in the uk or france or even on college campuses here, you see the signs that say gas the jews, kill the jews. they're not talking about israel policy. from the river to the sea is not a two-state solution. i'm for a two-state solution. i think the palestinians should have a state. but now they're talking about eliminating the entire state of israel and they're advocating for the mass murder of jews. this has gone to a dark place, and the jewish community has seen this before. >> i want to get your thoughts on the situation in dagestan in russia. protesters were making anti-semitic comments after a flight arrived from tel aviv. it just looks like a wilding broke out inside this airport and out on the tarmac. what are your thoughts on all of this? it seems like it's spreading across the world. >> well, look, that was an angry mob that broke through security at an airport looking for jews. they saw a plane come in from tel aviv, and they were looking for jews. and i'm pretty sure, jim, they were not looking to have a robust foreign policy conversation. they were looking to cause harm to folks coming off the plane from tel aviv. so, we're seeing this. we saw jewish students at cornell not being able to leave the cafeteria. we saw a jewish student the other day being locked the in a library. so, you know, this is something that we're seeing all across the world, in which jews are being targeted. again, this is a debate that has gone from the middle east conflict, the war that's going on between hamas and israel, and this has now gone to dramatic anti-semitism to the lengths we have not seen since world war ii. the jewish community had been warning, by the way, that the anti-semitic attacks are on the rise. we've been seeing it year over year over year, online, especially on social media. but now we're seeing, unfortunately, even visual pictures the fruition of all of that anti-semitism. >> let me get back to the israel-hamas war. we're receiving word this evening that the israeli military said its aircraft struck military infrastructure in syrian territory in response to launches in israel coming from that country. are you concerned about this conflict widening in a way that could potentially draw in the u.s.? >> of course. i have no doubt that the biden administration, who's done a tremendous job, by the way, but the biden administration is deeply worried, this widening beyond the current p conflict. there's no doubt whether it's iran or proxies in the region, rogue actors iran might not be able to control, may be looking to try to expand the conflict. you know, obviously the u.s. has those battle strike groups in the region to try to make sure that folks don't want to get involved. and the u.s. obviously is going to stand by its greatest ally, israel. the president has been crystal clear on that. i think the message the united states is sending is that should other nations decide to get involved, the united states will come to israel's aid. >> let me talk to you about something very important that's happening here in the united states. you're an alum of marjory stoneman douglas high school, where 17 people were killed in that mass shooting in 2018 in parkland. tonight our shimon prokupecz is reporting that the maine national guard had asked local police to check on that reservist, who ended up killing 18 people, prior to the shooting after a soldier became concerned that this eventual gunman would snap and commit a mass shooting. it sounds like warning signs were missed. how does this get fixed? >> jim, i know what's happening in maine all too familiar. we had the same issue at marjory stoneman douglas and parkland. the warning signs of the former student were everywhere, killing animals, police coming to the house dozens of times, tips to the fbi. he had a file at the school board a mile long. everyone knew that that kid was in trouble. and yet people who are mentally ill in this country can go and get a weapon. and here in in the state of florida, we stopped that. we passed red flag laws. we raised the age to 21. within three weeks on a bipartisan basis, signed by republican governor rick scott. now u.s. senator rick scott. to make sure that something like that didn't happen again. so, it's deeply troubling, jim. we have to figure out in this country how we can recognize that, yes, there is a robust second amendment that we have to respect. but at the same time can we at least agree that mentally ill people should not be able to get weapons of war. i know what that community is going through. the funerals, the parents that a kid is not coming home, a spouse that now there is an empty chair at the dinner table. those people will never be the same. that community will never be the same. six years later the city of parkland is not the same. those families haven't moved on. they've moved forward. elected leaders, whether they're in maine or in congress have the ability to do something, to stop this epidemic of mass shootings. >> very quickly, we had congressman dean phillips on this program talking about how he's running for president against joe biden. i assume you're supporting the president in his re-election bend. >> dean is a good friend. he's a good colleague. and, you know, i think he means well. but i'm supporting president biden. i'm with president biden 100% of the way. i don't think we should have any primaries at the moment. with the republicans having the mess of the primary they're having, i should we should be la laser focused on defeating former president trump. he's an existential threat not just to this country but even to the world. donald trump coming back and being so unpredictable and the policies he's been espousing on the trail, i think it's so important that democrats can unify around presi

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